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Mastifflover

+Mastifflover

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Great job guys!! Now why would anybody think that Sparky knows anything about the forums? :P In all seriousness I don't know any of the people involved but there is a thread going in the Garage Sale forum about a boy with autism and a couple of very kind people that I think would make a great article. Broken GPSR It is one of the nicest things that I have ever read in the forums. I made my wife read it this morning and she had the same reaction. :D

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aka Monkey

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This was the first time I had seen the magazine.. very neat! A few suggestions, however:

 

1) I found a few typos (for example, is this Canadian organization giving away 25,0000 dollars? That's what it says).

 

2) More photos! I don't want to READ about searching for caches at castles in France, I want to SEE IT. That's what the web is all about!

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El Diablo

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1) I found a few typos (for example, is this Canadian organization giving away 25,0000 dollars? That's what it says).

 

2) More photos! I don't want to READ about searching for caches at castles in France, I want to SEE IT. That's what the web is all about!

One of my eagle eyed editors must have spotted the typo because it says $25,000 now.

 

As far as the photos, we agree with you. All we have to do now is get people to send them to us. It's impossible for us to go out and get them, and like the articles, we depend on the community to provide the photos also.

 

El Diablo

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Lone Duck

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As far as the photos, we agree with you. All we have to do now is get people to send them to us. It's impossible for us to go out and get them, and like the articles, we depend on the community to provide the photos also.

Perhaps some photos could be taken from the GC.com cache logs. There's tons of pics there that most of us will never see otherwise because nobody randomly reads cache logs from areas they don't cache in.

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El Diablo

+El Diablo

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As far as the photos, we agree with you. All we have to do now is get people to send them to us. It's impossible for us to go out and get them, and like the articles, we depend on the community to provide the photos also.

Perhaps some photos could be taken from the GC.com cache logs. There's tons of pics there that most of us will never see otherwise because nobody randomly reads cache logs from areas they don't cache in.

I'll have to check, I'm not sure GC would allow us to use images that have been uploaded to GC.

 

El Diablo

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GeoWorms

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Good job everyone! Do you have guide lines for submitting photos and articles?

Take a look here. Each editor can answer more specific questions.

 

Photos can be sent as an attachment to your email in any web friendly format (gif or jpg preferably).

 

Thanks for your interest B) !

 

Sean

Webmaster for Today's Cacher

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Team DEMP

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I think the e-zine is terrific and I really liked the article on the way the Michigan Geocaching Organization turned around a dumb comment by a newscaster and made it a very positive message. I bought 2 shirts today with their message off the site - http://www.mi-geocaching.org/modules.php?name=MiGO_Store

 

Here's a pic of the shirt which is very reasonably priced. I got 2 w/ shipping for $23.00.

 

getaliferealshirt.jpg

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El Diablo

+El Diablo

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B) Yes! Yes! Yes! I love it! The ezine is wonderful. I thoroughly enjoy it. Very professional, informative, and entertaining. It takes a unique team of individuals to make those three elements work together in one magazine! Way To Go! ;)

Thanks Kingcach for the praise! B) You hit the nail on the head...We have a great team. It amazes me what they come up with. They are a group of individuals with extreme talent. It's a pleasure to work with them!

 

El Diablo

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DamOTclese

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Speaking only for myself and as my opinion only, I thought it was stupid and a waste of time. There was nothing the least bit interesting in the issue I downloaded and reviewed, it was just "more of the same" kind of stuff one reads in this forum. :( I'll continue to review the next coupld of issues, though, since perhaps the first few I reviewed were artifacts of inexperience.

 

I can see how some people might think it's neat, though.

 

And if you're getting ready to respond with "I suppose you could do better?" my response would be, "There's no point in such a magazine in the first place -- other than for someone to try to win advertising dollars."

 

Which brings up another point: Any such magazine that solicits advertising dollars is a commercial concern even if it only breaks even. Do GeoCachers really want to have commercialism introduced into our games even beyond the traditional commercialism of discussing products?

 

I suggested it before: Any geocaching magazine should not contain advertisements. But even beyond that why bother to produce a magazine when there's enough new and fresh stuff about the subject in this forum? This forum is far fresher and provides instant discussion than any such magazine.

 

Finally there's always the possibility that endless magazines will start being produced, all of which would almost certainly contain such poor quality stuff as this particular one has shown in the past. And eventually they'll start calling themselves the "official geocaching magazine," I would expect given human nature.

 

Any way it just sounds rather stupid.

 

No offense intended.

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Scoobie10

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Speaking only for myself and as my opinion only, I thought it was stupid and a waste of time. There was nothing the least bit interesting in the issue I downloaded and reviewed, it was just "more of the same" kind of stuff one reads in this forum. :( I'll continue to review the next coupld of issues, though, since perhaps the first few I reviewed were artifacts of inexperience.

 

I can see how some people might think it's neat, though.

 

And if you're getting ready to respond with "I suppose you could do better?" my response would be, "There's no point in such a magazine in the first place -- other than for someone to try to win advertising dollars."

 

Which brings up another point: Any such magazine that solicits advertising dollars is a commercial concern even if it only breaks even. Do GeoCachers really want to have commercialism introduced into our games even beyond the traditional commercialism of discussing products?

 

I suggested it before: Any geocaching magazine should not contain advertisements. But even beyond that why bother to produce a magazine when there's enough new and fresh stuff about the subject in this forum? This forum is far fresher and provides instant discussion than any such magazine.

 

Finally there's always the possibility that endless magazines will start being produced, all of which would almost certainly contain such poor quality stuff as this particular one has shown in the past. And eventually they'll start calling themselves the "official geocaching magazine," I would expect given human nature.

 

Any way it just sounds rather stupid.

 

No offense intended.

*snicker*

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texcaver

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Speaking only for myself and as my opinion only,...Blah Blah Blah...

 

I can see how some people might think it's neat, though.

 

And if you're getting ready to respond with "I suppose you could do better?" my response would be,

... Blah Blah Blah...

 

Which brings up another point: Blah Blah Blah...

 

Finally there's ...Blah Blah Blah

 

Any way it just sounds rather stupid.

 

No offense intended.

You are kidding right? :(:(

Did you read the same one, I did, Cause, yes, I like it.

If you dont like it, why gritch-n-moan?

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TotemLake

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Do GeoCachers really want to have commercialism introduced into our games even beyond the traditional commercialism of discussing products?

Just for the sake of arguement... Regardless of what geocachers want, the commercialism is already there as noted here. This is not for break even purposes but solely for making a profit. And I might add, it was bound to happen. Remember the days when commercialism on the Internet was sneered at? I do... vividly. Now look around you. You have to really work at finding a business that doesn't have a web page.

 

Now as far as the magazine is concerned... sure, you're right, there are fresh ideas all the time coming up in the forums. One could say the same thing for anything National Geographic puts out in magazine or TV format... but it's there just the same and it is also commercialized. Consider it as one more medium that can be used towards the benefit of anybody that missed the forum discussion on it.

 

So is it really useless? I don't think so. I think you're missing the point of why magazines are out on different hobbies to begin with. This hobby is no different. And the forums is no magazine easily readable in a digestable format that does not include sneers such as yours, snickers from the sidelines such as Scoobie10's, flames, or individual criticisms as well as sidebar discussions that stray way off topic. A magazine gets to the point and it moves on to the next subject.

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El Diablo

+El Diablo

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Speaking only for myself and as my opinion only, I thought it was stupid and a waste of time. There was nothing the least bit interesting in the issue I downloaded and reviewed, it was just "more of the same" kind of stuff one reads in this forum. :( I'll continue to review the next coupld of issues, though, since perhaps the first few I reviewed were artifacts of inexperience.

 

I can see how some people might think it's neat, though.

 

And if you're getting ready to respond with "I suppose you could do better?" my response would be, "There's no point in such a magazine in the first place -- other than for someone to try to win advertising dollars."

 

Which brings up another point: Any such magazine that solicits advertising dollars is a commercial concern even if it only breaks even. Do GeoCachers really want to have commercialism introduced into our games even beyond the traditional commercialism of discussing products?

 

I suggested it before: Any geocaching magazine should not contain advertisements. But even beyond that why bother to produce a magazine when there's enough new and fresh stuff about the subject in this forum? This forum is far fresher and provides instant discussion than any such magazine.

 

Finally there's always the possibility that endless magazines will start being produced, all of which would almost certainly contain such poor quality stuff as this particular one has shown in the past. And eventually they'll start calling themselves the "official geocaching magazine," I would expect given human nature.

 

Any way it just sounds rather stupid.

 

No offense intended.

Thanks for the feed back. It's comments like yours that will make us strive harder to put out a better issue month.

 

As far as the need for the magazine....about 40,000 people would disagree with you, and that number grows daily.

 

The ads on the site are a neccesary evil. It's either that or charge for a subscription. I think that most people that spend time on the internet become immune to ads, they put on blinders so to speak, unless it's something that interest them. The ads aren't intrusive and there are no pop ups.

 

So far the ads we have sold won't even cover our cost. Maybe one day we might make a buck or two from it, but this team is dedicated to what we do and I don't believe any team member worries about making money from it.

 

I'm sure other people will also try to put together a magazine and compete with us. We welcome competition. It will make us work even harder. A lot of our ideas do come from the forums, but if you have truly read the magazine you would have seen that a lot didn't.

 

Once again, thank you for your comments. We appreciate them whether they are good or bad. :(

 

El Diablo

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Navdog

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Speaking only for myself and as my opinion only, I thought it was stupid and a waste of time. 

 

But at least I can download the articles and enjoy what geocaching is really all about, without having to slog through the forums reading how someone thinks it is stupid or wants to whine about yet another trivial matter. :(

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New England n00b

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I have to say I thought it was very interesting. And it's only the second publication, if'n I remember right.

 

I liked Criminals story so much I "Kazaa'd" a quote from it.

 

Incidentally, Criminal - ask and it shall be (removed)(credited)(other). Sorry for not asking in the first place. :(

 

*Bad Dobby, Bad Dobby! WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK*

 

Hey, that's an idea - mebbe on of youz guys could do an article on the origins of geocaching terms, such as muggle, etc.?

 

(edited, because I can slpel)

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Team DEMP

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For any hobby I'm interested in, I'm always excited to read about the hobby or others opinions/experiences. If it wasn't for this last issue, I would have never seen the cool t-shirts I ordered for myself and my kids.

 

I also don't mind any advertising either as long as it's targeted. I even enjoy Google ads because they are targeted and I see other products/sites related to what I was interested in in the first place.

 

Keep the magazine coming!!

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DamOTclese

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Speaking only for myself and as my opinion only,...Blah Blah Blah...

 

I can see how some people might think it's neat, though.

 

And if you're getting ready to respond with "I suppose you could do better?" my response would be,

... Blah Blah Blah...

 

Which brings up another point: Blah Blah Blah...

 

Finally there's ...Blah Blah Blah

 

Any way it just sounds rather stupid.

 

No offense intended.

You are kidding right? :D:D

Did you read the same one, I did, Cause, yes, I like it.

If you dont like it, why gritch-n-moan?

Of course I've read them. Fact is that the points I covered are valid criticisms -- not only for this particular effort but would be valid for anything else attempted along the same lines.

 

Is there some reason you couldn't address the issues?

 

Right.

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DamOTclese

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Thanks for the feed back. It's comments like yours that will make us strive harder to put out a better issue month.

Thanks for a good response. Your points are completely valid -- I've never disputed that others undeniably find it a worthwhile endeavor. It may very well be that as time progresses and the articles become fleshed out with more experience I'll get to await the release of each issue, too. Time will tell. I note that most responses have been what could be expected from hobbiest who have a certain , um, well, zeal for their hobby. :D

 

Advertisements: :D That's at least not as annoying as paid-for subscription magazines which also contain advertisements. I'd have to wonder what kind of advertisements would be acceptable; whether they're all going to be GPS/Geocaching related or whether we'll see vitamin suppliments and what advertised. That would _really_ be ugly.

 

Any way, thanks. It's a major plus that you responded with reason. I'm going to continue to download the PDF version and put it to paper, as always.

 

Incidentally, a photograph of me is available at:

 

http://www.skeptictank.org/mine006.jpg

 

You can see the dirt, grime, and ragged clothes that result from my desert hobbies -- which include geocaching. I mention it because I'm not some newbie complaining without basis.

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DamOTclese

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Remember the days when commercialism on the Internet was sneered at? I do... vividly. Now look around you. You have to really work at finding a business that doesn't have a web page.

Yep, I remember; I was on DARPA in the late 1970's and the issue came to a roiling boil when Prodigy, Geni, World Connect, and other companies started to offer dialup access outside of universities. The commercialization of the Internet contributed greatly to the imposition of standards and cheap access and arguably kept the DARPA project from expireing what with the budgetary cuts.

 

Commercialization of hobbies -- and of geocaching -- is unstopable, true. The question of whether it's desireable or not remains, though.

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texcaver

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Speaking only for myself and as my opinion only,...Blah Blah Blah...

 

I can see how some people might think it's neat, though.

 

And if you're getting ready to respond with "I suppose you could do better?" my response would be,

... Blah Blah Blah...

 

Which brings up another point: Blah Blah Blah...

 

Finally there's ...Blah Blah Blah

 

Any way it just sounds rather stupid.

 

No offense intended.

You are kidding right? :D:D

Did you read the same one, I did, Cause, yes, I like it.

If you dont like it, why gritch-n-moan?

Of course I've read them. Fact is that the points I covered are valid criticisms -- not only for this particular effort but would be valid for anything else attempted along the same lines.

 

Is there some reason you couldn't address the issues?

 

Right.

*yawn* I did not feel there was enough merit to your claims to bother with a line by line disection. THIS would be stupid, and a waste of time.

 

1. I read both issues, and I enjoyed them. I think a specific webpage with accounts of

individuals experiences with new and interesting caches, as a superior way of presenting this type of detailed information. I Prefer this to a lengthy post in the forums.

It leaves room for individual creativity in the layout, and presentation of photos, and links.

 

2. I barely noticed the ads on the page, that is I chose to ignore them, as they are irrelevant to me.

"I suggested it before: Any geocaching magazine should not contain advertisements."

Why? The few magazines which I have seen which have NO advertising, chose to do so

because of a possible conflict of interest. Such as a magazine dedicated to product reviews. They chose to do this in order to avoid any percieved influence by advertisers.

 

3. "This forum is far fresher and provides instant discussion than any such magazine."

I am sure we can discuss anything geocaching related included from such a magazine

in this forum. I suppose you will not criticize them for grammatical errors.

 

4. "Finally there's always the possibility that endless magazines will start being produced"

Perhaps so, IF I find them interesting I will read them unless I decide they are not worth my time.

 

Again, I enjoyed the accounts of the specific caches they covered. I also

particularly enjoyed Criminals humor segment in both issues.

 

How does anyone argue a substantive claim such as this:

"Any way it just sounds rather stupid."

 

If you don't like it, why read it, and why waste your time and mine in this forum complaining about it.

If you have any meaningfull contribution to ways of improving the quality of this publication, I am sure the publishers would love to hear from you.

In fact that would seem the preferred way of adressing issues such as this.

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El Diablo

+El Diablo

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Thanks for a good response. Your points are completely valid -- I've never disputed that others undeniably find it a worthwhile endeavor. It may very well be that as time progresses and the articles become fleshed out with more experience I'll get to await the release of each issue, too. Time will tell.

 

Glad to see you still have an open mind. Hopefully we'll get you to the point that you will eagerly await for the next issue. :D

 

I will say in defense of my team that I think they have done an outstanding job! They are comprised of men and women from all walks of life that have very busy professional careers, and yet they spend an enormous amount of time working on the magazine. I think what they have accomplished is awesome, and I'm extremely proud of them! :D

 

El Diablo

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Criminal

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There was an email sent by someone who was unhappy with my humor story in this month’s Today’s Cacher. They didn’t specify what they found distasteful and they didn’t give a name or email address so that I could respond. I will respond here if that is OK with the mods, as it appears to be on topic to the current thread direction.

 

I don’t know what you found distasteful about the story; I apologize if you were offended in any way.

 

This particular story could, if one were to try hard enough, be considered less than flattering to the following groups:

Police officers

Police officers with asymmetrical arms

Police dispatchers

Homosexuals

Homosexual park uh……..users

Tongue ring wearers

Donut eating police officers

Homosexual police officers

Tongue ring wearing police officers

Tongue ring wearing homosexual police officers

Tongue ring wearing donut eating homosexual police officers

Tongue ring wearing donut eating homosexual police officers who uh…..use the park

Anyone whose last name is spelled “Smyth”

Flavored coffee drinkers

Taxpayers

Women who run their yaps at 100 MPH

Geocachers who curse at the satellites

Spray-and-pray pistol advocates

Mosquitoes

Squirrels

Elderly bag-of-marbles carrying females

Cats

Dogs

Marching bands

Persons who carry panes of glass

Painters on ladders

 

I think that about covers it. To anyone who can place themselves in any of those groups, who read the story, and were insulted in any way by the story, or the advocates of those groups who have taken up the yoke of offense in their keep, I deeply apologize. I will donate my entire Today’s Cacher paycheck for this month to the poor put upon group of your choice. If nothing else, you’ll have the satisfaction of knowing that I devoted hours of my time to writing a story and not getting paid for it.

 

Chris

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DamOTclese

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*yawn* I did not feel there was enough merit to your claims to bother with a line by line disection. THIS would be stupid, and a waste of time.

Well, at least _some_ people responded rationally. It's amazing the lengths of irrationality some people will devolve to when it comes to their hobbies.

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PandyBat

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Hey, what's this !

I wrote an article for it !

:D

Thanks for the 15 minutes of fame guys !

Crzy article...

Good article, crzycrzy. Sorry you had to get your 15 minutes that way but at least you were part of something that made a difference in others lives. His relatives, I mean. They could have been sick with worry wondering where he was. Again, good article with good tips on what to do in that situation. I hope it never happens to me.

 

Anyone ever hear of the three missing women from Springfield, Missouri? http://www.ci.springfield.mo.us/spd/Miscel...ssingwomen.html

I've had dreams of me walking up on them in the woods somewhere and it creeps me out to think about it when out walking anywhere around these parts.

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