+CoronaKid Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 I know this has probably been talked to death, but I just wanted to add my suggestion that the travel bugs be dropped to the BOTTOM of the My Cache Page. I'm at the point where I don't want to take TB's anymore because that will mean I'll have to scroll forever to find my cache logs! Can someone please explain to me why it was decided to place them first? It just doesn't make sense to me since there are a lot of geocachers that ignore TB's completely. Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 (edited) To answer your question: Who knows... That's the way its always been. It doesn't matter, however. Jeremy has stated that he is redesigning the 'My Cache Page'. The new one will be tabbed similar to the profile page. Travel bugs will have their own tab, thereby solving this problem. Since the solution is in the works, I don't think any action is necessary at this time. Edited February 11, 2004 by sbell111 Link to comment
+Jamie Z Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 I'll have to scroll forever to find my cache logs! I agree, even though I've only found half a dozen TBs. The quick solution for you would be to use your "Page Down" button--unless "scrolling" was just a figure of speech. Jamie Link to comment
+Jamie Z Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 (edited) can't delete Edited February 11, 2004 by Jamie Z Link to comment
+planetrobert Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 can't delete double poster Link to comment
Jeremy Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 sbell111 is correct. We are redoing the "my cache page" which will resolve this issue. Link to comment
+Laserman Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 sbell111 is correct. We are redoing the "my cache page" which will resolve this issue. The impatient side of me asks the question, when? The engineer in me already knows the answer, it will be done that much sooner if you quit bugging me! So I'll just say, I look forward to it and go back to waiting patiently and maybe grab a cache or three. Link to comment
+Marky Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 I know this has probably been talked to death, but I just wanted to add my suggestion that the travel bugs be dropped to the BOTTOM of the My Cache Page. I'm at the point where I don't want to take TB's anymore because that will mean I'll have to scroll forever to find my cache logs! Can someone please explain to me why it was decided to place them first? It just doesn't make sense to me since there are a lot of geocachers that ignore TB's completely. I feel for ya buddy! Here is what I have to scroll through to get to rest of my cache page: " 1,000,000 " #1 "Lucky Lindy" 101 Caches 457x967 55 BEL AIR A Good Sport Adira, the Belly Dancer Agent Charizard #007 Aileron Ally's Taxi Almond Bug Amidala Bug Andy Orangutan - Party Animal Andy's Birthday Bear Andy's Fork Angel of the Reef Antsy the Anteater Ares the Rottweiler Ariana Duck Ariel Beanie Ariel The Little Mermaid Arizona Wandering Star Ashley's Birthday Bash Ball Auto Maker Ensemble B-17 Flying Fortress Balancing Act BARKLY Barksalot Barrel of Monkeys BarstowDude Beach Travel Bug T Bee Hive Bug Ben Bernice Big Green Travel Lantern Big Red "Speedy" Bingo the Invisible Dog BlackJack the Monterey Diver Blue Blue Blue Boy Bob the Cache Builder Bobby the "Now Extinct" Mullethead bobthecat Bodacious Bovine Boink Bottle of love Bouncer Boxer Baby Brain Freeeze Broomtail BudBug Buddy the Fire Dog Buffy the Desert Cat Bug Eyed Bug Will Make You Scratch Bullwinkle, California Born Moose Bunny Hopper Busted in Vegas ButterShug CA Star Caba The Happy Hippo Cache Hopper CACTUS JACK California Dreamin' California Dreamin' Barbie - The Sequel Cary Cat Dog Celebrating All Animals Celia (The Great M.I. Marathon!) Centris 100 (aka CBug) Charlie Bug Charlotte CHOCOLATE MOOSE Chopper! Claude the Crab Clone of Calvin Clyde the Orangutan Cody Cootie Collect-A-Card Colorado Seeker Columbia Fly Again Compass To Travel By Connecticut Courier Connecticut Quarter Construction Bob Plastic Pants Crabs Crazy Cache GeoCoin #1 Curious George Curious George Jr. Damselfly Dave Matthews Delta the Duck Desert Paintball Dharma Dig-Em Digital Dinosaur Dino Buddy Dino Saurio Directional Choice DJ Bug Do Run Run Dog Tags Dragonbook Dree Pup DropTop Ducati Iron Butt Eat Chikin! Eensy Weensy Spider ELVIS COME HOME Emmee F-16 Fighting Falcon Fish out of Water Floppy Flower Fairy Frank-n-VA Fred "the pez" Flinstone Freddy the Fabulous Fish French Souvenir: Eifel tower Frinky Frisky Filly Frodo Baggins Frodo Baggins of the Shire Froggy Frosty Mug FTF! Bug Fuzzy Log Book GAMERA General Ursus Generic Flop Geo Key Ring GEO QUACKER GEO-COP Geocache Coin #5 GeoXtremists Get Well Duck Ginger Gold Fever Geocoin Good Luck Chinese Dragon Google Bug GOoHF Green Egg & Ham Hand Shake Hank Hard Rock Traveler (COPY TAG) Hard-Core Adventure Dude Haridra the lucky elephant Haunted Canyon Witch Geo-Traveler #2 He-Dude Protector Of Monterey Caches Head of Marvin Headed South, Partner? Hedwig Helena Hello Kitty Hello Kitty Folding Chair On A Logging Road Henny Penny Herb & Eileen Racer HipHop the Alien Easter Bunny Hobgoblin bug Hockey Puck Holey Coin Collecter Hollywood Signature Hound Home Sweet Home Homer the Homing Elephant Honeymooner Hop, Skip 'n' Jump Houston Texan Hucklebear Huey Duck I "Heart" San Francisco I Heart the USA I Pledge Allegiance I Think I Can I wanna go home Iggy Stardust Inch-by-Inch Iron Butt It's a Lock! ivan's green turtle #20XXX8 Izzy the dare2 Grizzly travel bug J. Wayne the Texas Toad Joker's Wild Ride Juneau Walrus Keep on Trucking KEY TO CACHE BOX Kickflip Bart KJ3 Koko Bug Kyle, the Sharptooth Lady Liberty Lara Croft - Cache Raider LaurieAnn01 Leapin' Lizard Leaping Frog#3 Left My Heart Lenin Letter to Australia Little A's Fish Little Alien Traveler Little Bit Little Foster on a Skateboard Little Red Truck Loco-Rojo Fish Lost My Memory Louie, The Shrimp Loveable Lion Lucky (the three legged dog) Lucky Furby Luke Keychain Lumiere TB Luscious Lenny Marill's PokeBall Marine Joe MARKY SHARKY Marty's Mahem Massachusetts Courier MeanGreen the Monterey Diver Merlins Apprentice Micro Frog Travel Bug Mieke's Hat Mike the Bike Mini Bug 2 Mini White Bear #5 (bthomas) Mini-Jeep MINI-ME (jtkcacher) Minsy Mitsuko Mixed up Moby Bug Molten In Time Mom & Dad World Travellers Monkey Bear Monsieur Bleu, the City Mouse Monumental Race – Megan Mother Earth MOVIN" MINNOW Mr Quackers Mr. Trickster Muppets Take Manhattan: Animal Muppets Take Manhattan: Beaker Muppets Take Manhattan: Fozzie Muppets Take Manhattan: Gonzo Muppets Take Manhattan: Kermit Muppets Take Manhattan: Miss Piggy Muppets Take Manhattan: Rowlf Muppets Take Manhattan: Swedish Chef Mustang GT Bug Mutant Bug NASCAR Navigator Nat Parker New Hampshire Courier Nifty Fifty! North Dakota or Bust Norton Not Quite Zena OB Mystery Machine Paddington PANCHO Philly Masters Phoebe's Bug Phoenix Bound Pig Breeder travel bug Pikachu Pink and Purple butterfly Pink Flamingo Platypus Pluto Poo Po on the Go! Podunk Pete PR Surfer Princess Hugabug Prissy Kitty Psittacosis Pumpkin Puppy's Present Purple Rock Puzzle Bug #6: Iron Maiden Race Contender: Aargnzarf Race Contender: Kikipopo Raider's Fan RaiderBug Raisin' the Roof! Randall Ready Teddy Red Red Dino Red Eye Reddy Reggie Rhino Return Pod #1 by EraSeek Reverend john's church key Rhode Island Courier Right Sneaker Shoe Robbert's Rhino Rolle SocrBug Rollin 66 Rosie's Slime Machine Sacagawea Sammy's visit to TY San Francisco Peace Santa Cruz "Brass Ring" Coin Say Aaahhh Scooby-Don't Scott's Olds 442 Scuba SDSU Mr. Beefcakes Seattle Sam See Yah Later Gator Shannah's Bearista Sharky Shiner Shy Zebra Signature Jeep #120 Silver Bullet Brigade Sissy Pea Ducky Slinky Smallworld Smashed Penny Souvenir TB Smiling S _ _ _ _ _ Smokey DA Bear Smoochy the Frog SNICKERS THE DOG Soccer Dude Sock Monkey Sorbo SouthernCanuck-Bug#1 space man Spangle the Patriotic Bear Spideey SPLAT! Sponge Bob Cache My Pants! SpongeBob SpongeBob Bop SpongeBob Squarepants Spudnik Squidward Squigams Starbucks Coffee Bear States Traveller 1 Stephanie McCarty Strut the Rooster Sue the T-Rex Super-Patriotic-Freedom-Liberty-Patriot-Fun Bear Swampy Swiss Classic T & A: Warrior Women: Cavewoman T. Endo dog tag Take Me Camping! Tarry Knot Team Geo-Remdation HUMVEE TENNIS ANYONE? Thanksgiving Bell The 2003 Micro Bug The Bailey The Cache Cowntess The Cincy Duck The Circum-48 Logbook The Enlightened One The Evil 8 THE GEOCRICKET THE GODS MUST BE CRAZY The Good Professor The Hat The Holy Hand Grenade The Hulk The Little Engine That Could! the log The Lonely Horseshoe The Lyin' King The Moving Cache The Race is On !!! The Raid Bug The Ring The Ring The Traveling Music Exchange The Useless Cell (N) Theo the Traveling Hedgehog This Little Piggy Tobe's Friend Toby the Traveling Troll Travel Bug Travel Bug Dog Tag TravelHog Traveling Benin Fish Traveling DoorKnob Traveling Soldier TRAVELING TEDDY Traveling Tri TravelTubby Tropical Girl TTFN Turtle Tux the Penguin TwoVegasGuys#2 Ursus Vegas Lola Buzzz Vermont Courier VideoBug Wally the Walrus Watch of Isilour Wheelie #1 Where's The Picnic? White Tiger Williams Travel Bug Wonder Woem WTC RIVET BUG Yada Yasmin Yellow2Tooth YellowBelly the Monterey Diver Yertle the Turtle Yoda keychain Yosemite Bear Yu-Gi-Oh TB Yumpin' Yiminy Cricket ZZ HOP --Marky Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 I think I broke my finger on the page-down key Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 I bet <End> is your friend. Link to comment
MOCKBA Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 I don't want to take TB's anymore because that will mean I'll have to scroll forever to find my cache logs! A recent change in TB tracking on this site means that you can trim the annoying listings of TBs just by deleting your logs for those TBs which no longer interest you. This doesn't affect TB maps or TB present position. It does affect TB milage and your TB stats. I used to handle all TBs through a dedicated sockpuppet account to prevent clutter on MY CACHE PAGE, but it was pretty inconvenient. Lately it is no longer necessary. The solution is three clicks away: edit log -> delete -> confirm. Not that your log will still be available to anybody watching the bug, through a link provided in notification e-mails which is still valid for archived logs. Link to comment
Jeremy Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 The solution is three clicks away: edit log -> delete -> confirm. Not that your log will still be available to anybody watching the bug, through a link provided in notification e-mails which is still valid for archived logs. That's dumb. Link to comment
MOCKBA Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 The solution is three clicks away: edit log -> delete -> confirm. Not that your log will still be available to anybody watching the bug, through a link provided in notification e-mails which is still valid for archived logs. That's dumb. I thought you are an avid opponent of stats manias. That you were preaching the back-to-basics, let's-trade-items-and-write-interesting-logs kind of caching. But when it comes to the travelbug, it seems that you care way too much about users' stats and the bugs' stats ... am I right? Is it perhaps because the TB tag is the most important commercial product of Groundspeak? Ob-joke: The World Congress of Don't-give-a-dadgum'ers. A journalist is seeking an inrterview. - What are your goals? - We don't give a dadgum. - You mean ... not about anything? - Yup. - You don't give a sh*t about money??? - Hey man, leave our money alone! - But you have an inconsistency here... - Didn't we tell you? We don't give a dadgum about inconsistencies! Link to comment
Jeremy Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I thought you are an avid opponent of stats manias. That you were preaching the back-to-basics, let's-trade-items-and-write-interesting-logs kind of caching. I was indicating that your solution is dumb. I already mentioned it was on my todo list farther up in this thread. Link to comment
MOCKBA Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I was indicating that your solution is dumb. rather than the result? Allright, I must grudgingly admit that you score some benevolence points with this. But I don't think you can call 'dumb' a technical solution which exploits some features of your computer product in a way which you perhaps didn't intent. Especially since it achieves a result which your intended functionality can't achieve at this time. As far as I see it, your game at gc.com is mostly to restrict. Restrict everything, from what kinds of caches people place, to how they use and share the info from your database, all the way to technical nitty gritty like what tags or image formats are restricted. You should expect the counter-game to focus on discovering and exploiting unintented loopholes in your restrictions ... call it THE HUNT. Link to comment
Jeremy Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 But I don't think you can call 'dumb' a technical solution which exploits some features of your computer product in a way which you perhaps didn't intent. I thought you were just being intentionally dumb. Like, if "I take a hammer to my head I'll stop my headache." I didn't realize that you were indicating that a solution like removing your own logs was actually an exploit. Exploits are usually something beneficial. Unless you're overly masochistic and like beating your head with a hammer, it doesn't seem like the "correct" solution. Link to comment
MOCKBA Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I thought you were just being intentionally dumb. Like, if "I take a hammer to my head I'll stop my headache." I didn't realize that you were indicating that a solution like removing your own logs was actually an exploit. Sounds like you're admitting that you couldn't stand the result, rather than the method, after all. But that's what I suggested from the very beginning, that you care way too much about users' stats and the bugs' stats Removing unnecessary logs for me is more like clipping nails and trimming mustache. You don't store your nail clippings for the rest of your life, I hope? Some logs tell good stories and some don't. Some hunts I want on my public record and some I choose to keep off-line. But I must make a log to notify the community that a bug has been moved; therefore, not making a log online is not an option. But making a log and expunging it afterwards is still an option. Link to comment
+Green Toad Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 If you think your problems are bad, just think about the person who just passed the 1000 mark for TBs. -gt Link to comment
+MarcB Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Why don't you just hold the little box which travels down your scroll bar and drag it to the bottom. And stop moaning! MarcB Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 ...or hit the end key and shoot all the way to the bottom of the page? Link to comment
MOCKBA Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 ...hit the end key and shoot all the way to the bottom of the page Now I think that takes a dumb turn. I suspect that many old grumpy users, like myself, got their first taste of the Internet with lynx and rn over VT100. Certainly it is silly to imply that we don't know how to navigate without mice. The question was, "Can you prevent clutter on MY CACHE PAGE", and later on, "Is it reasonable to sacrifice TB logs and tallies to the cleanup". The question wasn't about means for navigating huge webpages, which, in addition to just being unwieldy and uncool, also take time to load, and force cache turnover (not the GEO cache ). At the same time MY CACHE PAGE remains the only tool for managing your cache notes and DNFs. But given that Jeremy plans to overhaul MY CACHE PAGE, and, most likely, to obliterate its useful features in the process , the questions may become mute Link to comment
+Marky Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 If you think your problems are bad, just think about the person who just passed the 1000 mark for TBs. Seriously! You should see me trying to pull up my cache page on my sidekick phone's browser. My poor scroll wheel is going to wear out! --Marky Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 But given that Jeremy plans to overhaul MY CACHE PAGE, and, most likely, to obliterate its useful features in the process , the questions may become mute If you think the bug's history is not important, why do you log them in the first place? Deleting logs affects the bug's history and mileage. It is a dumb idea to change the history of those bugs just to 'clean up' your My Cache Page Link to comment
+The Leprechauns Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 But given that Jeremy plans to overhaul MY CACHE PAGE, and, most likely, to obliterate its useful features in the process , the questions may become mute I can only hope that other things besides the questions become mute. But that is probably a moot point. Link to comment
+Shawn&Holly Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 But I must make a log to notify the community that a bug has been moved; therefore, not making a log online is not an option. But making a log and expunging it afterwards is still an option. Then why pick up bugs at all? Leave them in the cache for the next person if you plan on just removing your part of the TBs history anyways. Since it will look like it moved without you, then why move it all? You leave no record, no pictures, in the end no log, what was the point? Link to comment
MOCKBA Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 But I must make a log to notify the community that a bug has been moved; therefore, not making a log online is not an option. But making a log and expunging it afterwards is still an option. Then why pick up bugs at all? Leave them in the cache for the next person It's fun to move these thingies along. I pick them for probably the same reason as you all do. When I take an out of state trip; or when I need stuff to seed a new cache; or when the goals of a bug match my goals. But oftentimes I take a bug because it looks interesting, without doing my homework first. I guess you all do. So you bring it home and realize that this bug has no interesting goal, or maybe it has one but you can't help. One still needs to move it along in reasonable time, right? Moving somewhere is better than not moving anywhere, as most bug owners would attest. Now IMNSHO the real treasure of geocaching is its stories. If I couldn't play along the bug's original story, I try making up a side theme which sounds interesting to me. Like I had a bug racing to an urban cache & since I don't hunt urban caches, I put it on a mountaintop with a great view of its destination. I had another bug, an elephant figurine, asking to fly to Thailand. Couldn't really help it, but I remembered Hanniball's story and sent this elephant across a snowy mountain pass. If I really like the story, I keep it, of course. If it's a so-so story or none at all, I'll delete it. None of this history is lost. Everybody on the watchlist gets an e-mail. And the orginal log (as referenced by these e-mails) is still there in GC.com database. By "deleting" it, you actually only update its status field. So the owner could link to my original logs in a note at any time; the owner may also correct mileage record if so desired. Phew... that was long. No space left for ob-invectives addressing TPTBs ... uh oh. Link to comment
Dinoprophet Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 When we say here that stats don't matter, what is meant is that it isn't a competition. An individual's stats are important to that individual. Also, it's usually said in reference to cache finds, not to travel bug miles. The distance a TB goes is largely the point. The stats matter more. When you delete logs like that, you're messing up someone else's stats, not your own. That's the problem with that solution. It's like deleting someone's find because you don't want to have to click "View All Logs" and scroll too far to see all the logs on your cache. Original topic: I'm glad to hear it will be changed. Link to comment
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