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Why do GC officials announce a reboot of the fora by stating it will be at "1 pm PST"?????

 

As these seem to be internationally used fora, could someone please (at least)translate this to a sensible time format?

 

Try using UTC 2400 (or, if you have to, UTC +/- something), else it's quite hard to calculate the local time anywhere else.

 

Thanx,

BS

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PST = Pacific Standard Time

 

PST = GMT (UTC) minus 08:00 hours.

Edited by LTOne

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Get used to it. eBay official time is also PST (they're in San Jose). Why should we *not* use PST just because of you?

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I am missing something here.What difference does it make what time the web-site is showing?

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I am missing something here.What difference does it make what time the web-site is showing?

Especially since it was announced at 1 minute after 1pm PST? I'm sure this wasn't even seen by you until after the reboot, so what's the big deal? Just something else to complain about?

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I just finished reading The Illustrated Longitude, by Dava Sobel and Wm. Andrews, a fascinating look at how an accurate means of measuring longitude and keeping time over distance was developed in the 18th century. (It also has lots of pictures.) The fifth astronomer royal in Great Britain, Nevil Maskelyne, located the prime meridian seven miles from the heart of London (Greenwich), and during the time he lived at the observatory there, from 1765-1811, he published 49 issues of the most comprehensive charts in his Nautical Almanac, for sailors to measure lunar distances to calculate their bearings. Mariners all over the globe relied on his tables to calculate their longitude, from Greenwich. Because they were universally used, they became the de facto standard; even the French used the Greenwich tables to calculate on their ships.

 

In 1884, in the International Meridian Conference in Washington, D.C., representatives from 26 countries voted to make this common practice the international standard. (198-199)

 

So, because the origins and development of geocaching are based on the West Coast of the U.S., they are the prime meridian of geocaching. All over the world, people will calculate their time differentials from PST.

Edited by Metaphor

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Hmmph ! ... and all this time I thought they were whispering.

Glad you told me this.

:blink:

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I just finished reading The Illustrated Longitude, by Dava Sobel and Wm. Andrews, a fascinating look at how an accurate means of measuring longitude and keeping time over distance.

Yes, Metaphor, and excellent book. Here's a cache I did that relates to that concept: Ebeys time capsule

 

Yes, geocaching is based here in Washinton state.

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Yeah, see, it's sort of insulting to Californians (and Washingtonians), to say that we shouldn't be using Pacific Time because it's not the time "where everybody lives" (as it were). What makes Eastern or Central time so special? Why should we have to change because of you?

 

West coast rules, East coast mewls.

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I prefer Mountain Daylight Time myself. Letterman's on at 10:35 so I can still get to bed at a decent hour. :blink:

In fact, we should use Mountain Daylight Time year-round. Then it would still be light outside when I head home from work...even in the winter!

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I just finished reading The Illustrated Longitude, by Dava Sobel and Wm. Andrews

I just put a hold on that book at my public library. Looking forward to reading it!

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Get used to it. eBay official time is also PST (they're in San Jose)

Thats not true. The minutes and seconds might be generated somewhere else, but for sure the local Ebay sites (like ebay.de) are showing local time, MEZ, in this case. Its a simple offset thingy. They are - in this case - customer orientated.

 

It would be great to be able to define a local time base for your geocaching account. Like the forum software does allready.

No big deal, but some things are annoying: You have take extra care when logging a found before the new day has begun in PST-land. Otherwise the log is being logged on the wrong day.

And while generating PQ you have to take care, if you want them fast: selecting the wrong day and you receive your new query many hours later the expected.

 

Isn't this topic in the wrong chapter? Shouldn't it be better moved to "Geocaching.com Web site"?

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Isn't this topic in the wrong chapter? Shouldn't it be better moved to "Geocaching.com Web site"?

I'll buy that.

 

Moving this topic over to Geocaching.com Forum from the Getting Started Forum.

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Until this day forward, everyone in the world must conform to the Geocaching Prime Meridian, called PST. This stands for Painful Standard Time. It is based on the position of the first Geocache located outside Portland, Oregon.

 

WGS84 will be changed to the IRISH04 Datum. It's about time.

 

Jeremy

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WGS84 will be changed to the IRISH04 Datum. It's about time.

No, no, no, datums are about SPACE. Time zones are about time. Geez, if you can't even get THAT part right....

 

Also, you're 54 years late; there's already an Irish datum:

EUR-K "EUROPEAN 1950, England, Ireland"IN -86 3 -96 3 -120 3 48 62 -12 3

Edited by parkrrrr

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What makes Eastern or Central time so special?

Nothing? You're all late anyway. :ph34r:

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No, no, no, datums are about SPACE. Time zones are about time. Geez, if you can't even get THAT part right....

*sigh*

 

I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is.

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No, no, no, datums are about SPACE.  Time zones are about time.  Geez, if you can't even get THAT part right....

*sigh*

 

I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is.

You are, then, a lucky man. :ph34r:

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I thought time was a measure of distance???

 

GWT Greenwich Mean Time =0,each degree is a measure of distance from that point.

 

In the Mean time.

 

The apparant,relation to longitude,from Greenwich the civil,local, mean time, equation is based on the emphemeris of the elongation and culmination of Polaris the standard for the true,universal sidreal day.

 

The interval of time occupied by one apparent revolution of the Sun about the Earth is called a solar day,the unit in which we are all familiar.

 

The interval of time occupied by one apparent revolution of the Vernal Equinox is called a sidreal day,a unit much used by astronomers.

(Prior to 1925,for astronomical purposes the solar day was considered as starting at noon.)

Both Sidreal and Solar days are divided into 24 hrs. each of 60 minute duration,

For Surveying purposes,the hours are reconed consecutively from 0 to 24.

 

Civil(Mean Solar) time.

The mean solar day begins at midnight,as does the civil day, and the mean solar time is given by the hour angle of the mean sun plus 12h.

 

In the Nautical Almanac the equation of time to,01s, is given for each day at 0-h and 12-h Greenwich Civil Time.

 

Sidreal time, 24 hour clocks,the time at any place is the hour angle of the vernal equinox at that place;and the beginning of the sidreal day,occuring when the vernal equinox crosses the upper branch of the Meridian. :ph34r:

 

edit spellin and typo's

 

We love u2

Edited by GEO*Trailblazer 1

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Wow, you learn something new every Sidreal Day if you read the forums faithfully.

 

Tomorrow I am informing my employer that henceforth I will work five honest Sidreal Days per week.

 

Thus enlightened, I now am compelled to ask the closely related follow-up question: What is the price of tea in China?

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Thus enlightened, I now am compelled to ask the closely related follow-up question: What is the price of tea in China?

Price of tea in China has no bearing. It is outside of the PST timezone.

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If I could save time in a forum,

The first thing that I'd like to do,

Is to teach all the noobs how to use the search funtion,

And to get trolls to stop stirring the stew.......

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If I could save time in a forum,

The first thing that I'd like to do,

Is to teach all the noobs how to use the search funtion,

And to get trolls to stop stirring the stew.......

Time is important in a forum?

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If I could save time in a forum,

The first thing that I'd like to do,

Is to teach all the noobs how to use the search funtion,

And to get trolls to stop stirring the stew.......

Time is important in a forum?

Yeah, gimme a minute, I'll explain it to you..... :ph34r:

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called PST. This stands for Painful Standard Time.

Jeremy

Psst.....that's still no reason to get PST off about it. :ph34r:

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Yeah, see, it's sort of insulting to Californians (and Washingtonians), to say that we shouldn't be using Pacific Time because it's not the time "where everybody lives" (as it were). What makes Eastern or Central time so special? Why should we have to change because of you?

 

West coast rules, East coast mewls.

Uh Hemmm.

You kind of left out about a third of the US.

Never mind that there is a whole state (ORE.) between WA and CA, I'm pretty sure that there are maybe 4 or 5 other states that are in PST. :ph34r:

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You kind of left out about a third of the US.

And most of the world. :ph34r:

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Never mind that there is a whole state (ORE.) between WA and CA, I'm pretty sure that there are maybe 4 or 5 other states that are in PST. :ph34r:

Well, you would be wrong :ph34r:

 

The Pacific Time Zone includes:

 

1. ALL of Washington State

2. MOST but not all of Oregon

3. All of California

4. All of Nevada

5. The Idaho Panhandle.

 

Plus parts of Mexico and Canada, but they don't count :P

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Never mind that there is a whole state (ORE.) between WA and CA, I'm pretty sure that there are maybe 4 or 5 other states that are in PST. :ph34r:

Well, you would be wrong :P

 

The Pacific Time Zone includes:

 

1. ALL of Washington State

2. MOST but not all of Oregon

3. All of California

4. All of Nevada

5. The Idaho Panhandle.

 

Plus parts of Mexico and Canada, but they don't count :D

I'm wrong about how many states but what about the one third part? :ph34r:

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Does anybody really know what time it is?

...Does anybody really care? :rolleyes::lol:

About time?

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Why do GC officials announce a reboot of the fora by stating it will be at "1 pm PST"?????

 

Well, it looks like this guy is all PST-off! :rolleyes:

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Quote "Plus parts of Mexico and Canada, but they don't count "

 

Yes we do.. 1 2 3 4...

 

BTW the concept of Standard Time was invented by a Canadian Sir Sanford Fleming

 

Dan

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Greenwich *Since *1884*

 

With 190 Countries now,

Geocaching is the

 

GEO*TIME

 

The Center of the Hub of the Global Cache.

PST:

Position System Time

Possitive Situation Test

Properly Sorted Through

Prevents System Troubles

Professed SouthWestern Tadpole

Edited by GEO*Trailblazer 1

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Why PST??

Because no place else on earth matters.

Assuming that PST is a place, this seems to me the only honest answer I got. Still, I don't like it (what a surprise). :P

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Does it really bother you that much?

 

PST is the time zone one the west coast of North America. This is the location of Groundspeak and GC.com. The way I look at it, it's there website. They just let me play here.

 

I'm used to it because most of the web services that I utilize give time info at there location, not mine.

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Does it really bother you that much?

 

PST is the time zone one the west coast of North America. This is the location of Groundspeak and GC.com. The way I look at it, it's there website. They just let me play here.

 

I'm used to it because most of the web services that I utilize give time info at there location, not mine.

I can't think of much I do on the internet anyway that requires me to actually know what time it is.....

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Agreed. I only pay attention to it in the forums to know whether there has been a new post to an interesting topic. Even then, it's easy math.

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Hehe... okay, so this is -1: Irrelevant right off the bat, but I can't help myself. The official topic banner in the chat is, and I quote, "Official geocaching chats Mondays at 8:30pm CST (Tuesdays 02:30 UTC)..."

 

That about covers it, eh? (And yes, it changes to "...8:30pm CDT (Tuesdays 01:30 UTC)..." when lots of us do the US summer shuffle.

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