Broncoholics Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 After being introduced to geocaching a while ago, Upinyachit has met quit a few cachers, but I wonder just how many are squeaky clean. I've had to do a lot of cache maintenance, so that makes me believe that some cachers are DIRTY. If you trade a golf ball for a calculator, THAT'S DIRTY. If you take a pocket knife and leave your pocket change, THAT'S DIRTY. If you don't put the cache back as placed, THAT'S DIRTY. If there is a group of geocachers that make disgruntled posts all day long, THAT'S DIRTY I can also bet that a lot of cachers post on these forums everday, but they know in their heart and soul that they made an unfair trade. Then they have the adasity to say they are an asset to geocaching. I guess that's just the way the world is, DIRTY D Quote
+planetrobert Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 looks like somebody is trying to kick the hornets nest not that it may not be appropriate to kick once in a while:) Quote
uperdooper Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 life is short. don't sweat the small stuff. Quote
Radman Forever Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 I'm a very tidy geocacher. I put caches back just the way I found them. I always trade up and find all the different types of caches... including locationless! I always trash in and out and never complain about the forums. Yep, Radman is a perfect gentleman when it comes to geocaching! Quote
+Confucius' Cat Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 (edited) And exactly what is WRONG with taking a deadly, evil, disgusting, banned pocket knife and leaving beautiful, useful, and universally appealing pocket change?? Hmmm? Well, I reckon you oughtent be judgin now ought ye? (edit for keyboard that dont work right) Edited January 23, 2004 by ChurchCampDave Quote
+crzycrzy Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 Um. People and ants were not meant to coincide with fruit flies. Geo-caching is more fun when it involves small appliances and newts. Does this make sense to you ? Quote
+wimseyguy Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 life is short. don't sweat the petty stuff. And don't pet the sweaty stuff. Quote
Broncoholics Posted January 23, 2004 Author Posted January 23, 2004 life is short. don't sweat the petty stuff. And don't pet the sweaty stuff. So what you guys are saying is Don't sweat the petty pet the sweaty? D Quote
uperdooper Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 life is short. don't sweat the petty stuff. And don't pet the sweaty stuff. that is not an exact quote. i am going to the geocide post and commiting geocide. Quote
+qhtxvckfkfl Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 I know of 2 geocachers who are squeaky clean: 1. Agent Mulder (NW Fla) and 2. Myself ( I always put more back in than I take! Red my logs.) Quote
+Renegade Knight Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 52 on the corruption test though I did learn what a pub crawl was... Quote
+Bloencustoms Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 I can honestly say that I believe all of the trades I have made were fair. There was one trade where I took some bootleg software out of a cache, and left a .50 dud round I took from a different cache (no powder or primer in the case, drilled through and totaly safe), but the files on the disk were corrupt anyway. I rarely ever trade anymore, so it doesn't really apply to me. As for other "unethical" practices, I let a cache go for over a month without checking on it after a no-find. Turns out it was still there the whole time, right where we left it. I guess that makes me dirty, or dingy, or tarnished. Perhaps it just makes me human. Still, I never claimed to be the patron saint of geocaching either. Quote
+sept1c_tank Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 ...I never claimed to be the patron saint of geocaching... I'd guess not, with an avatar like this: Quote
+Bloencustoms Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 That does it. I quit! Oh, wait. Wrong thread... Quote
+briansnat Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 Cleaner than a baby's bottom here. BTW, what's adasity mean? I couldn't find it in my dictionary. Quote
+Rav 4 Raiders Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 I must admit that as a new cacher I was really disappointed to see what some people had traded for. I am currently spending a small fortune on bits and bobs for setting up cahces and also for swaps. But thoroughly enjoying it! I see that here in OZ there are a number of seasoned cachers that place business cards outlining the need to trade fair. One would think it should not be necessary. Sad really. The other noticeable happening is that a lot of people just do the find and do no swaps. I suppose it means you can go lighter?! Just to add another question - what are your thoughts on those that trade condoms with other items. I have more concerns with the safety aspects as with the extreme weather conditions the may not last the testing grounds! I have seen some logs where parents have been a bit embarressed to explain to their kids what a franger is. Quote
Seeker BP Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 Well, its been awhile, but I would like to think I have been a proffesional cacher. I used to trade up with some really good trinkets, but anymore there isnt any thing worth trading for. Geocaching is still # 1 in my book, but now it's strictly for the search, the find, and the area it takes me too!! Seeker BP Quote
+Sparky-Watts Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 I didn't do it, I wasn't there, I don't even know your sister! Clean as clean can be! Quote
+carleenp Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 I'm a nice, fair and "clean" cacher. My house and car are a mess though! Quote
+mozartman Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 I'm a "slightly soiled" cacher. The other day I replaced a cache maybe about six inches away from where it was originally, but hidden in the same manner as it was originally. once i grabbed the cache and went to sign it under cover, I had forgotten in exactly which hole it had been placed before. so I had to guess. I don't trade, though, so I never "trade dirty". Quote
Colonel Mustard Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 After being introduced to geocaching a while ago, Upinyachit has met quit a few cachers, but I wonder just how many are squeaky clean. I've had to do a lot of cache maintenance, so that makes me believe that some cachers are DIRTY. If you trade a golf ball for a calculator, THAT'S DIRTY. If you take a pocket knife and leave your pocket change, THAT'S DIRTY. If you don't put the cache back as placed, THAT'S DIRTY. If there is a group of geocachers that make disgruntled posts all day long, THAT'S DIRTY I can also bet that a lot of cachers post on these forums everday, but they know in their heart and soul that they made an unfair trade. Then they have the adasity to say they are an asset to geocaching. I guess that's just the way the world is, DIRTY D um.....................just how much pocket change are we talking here???? Quote
Broncoholics Posted January 25, 2004 Author Posted January 25, 2004 Get a life, jack. My new dogs name is Jake, I am sure you were talking about him. D Quote
+Sparky-Watts Posted January 25, 2004 Posted January 25, 2004 Get a life, jack. My new dogs name is Jake, I am sure you were talking about him. D I thought is was gonna be Sparky?!?!?!? Quote
+beatnik Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 You mean I'm not supposed to raise gas/lunch money by removing all wheresgeorge bills that I find? Ooops! Quote
+Lazyboy & Mitey Mite Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 We are all pure, every one of us, Quote
+Sparky-Watts Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 We are all pure, every one of us, Why, of course! I just showered last week! Quote
WH Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 (edited) When I first started caching, I would take good quality stuff and leave bascially junk in return. This wasnt done maliciously, I was inexperienced. Now having been caching for a few months, most of the time I log a TNLN unless theres something in the cache I REALLY want, and in those cases, I try my hardest to trade up. Edited January 26, 2004 by Wavehopper Quote
+Planet Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Once I made an unfair trade. I took something nice that was purchased at Save The Children, still in the box. I forget what I left, but it wasn't fair. I felt guilty as soon as I got home, but I didn't have something nicer to trade. So I went to Save The Children and spent $94 on cache trade items. I feel better now. So maybe once I was dirty, but I'm squeaky clean now! squueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeak! Quote
+woody33 Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Im clean so far, I have took money out of my wallet, because I ran out of stuff. I usuall leave something, and take nothing. But the area im in needs all the help it can get. If your close by drop in and find a few. I placed my first multi a couple days ago waiting for approval. But I have several traditional here- 42501 Quote
lessenergy Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 So I am new to this and have found only one cache. And, for reasons of my own, I don't expect to find many traditional caches. With all the talk about unfair trades, I went to the trouble of putting 2 $10 LCBO gift certificates in a cache. (For anyone outside of Ontario, LCBO is our government run liquor store. So really, if you are in the habit of buying liquor or wine, it is as good as cash.) I also took nothing. The cache owner has never placed another cache and has no finds and someone else had to replace the container a while ago so I took it on myself to upgrade the contents. So what happens? Three days after I put in the gift certificates someone comes and takes both (they could have taken just one and left the other $10 for someone else) and leaves a pretty marginal item. To top it off, the person who got the $20 had visited the cache before. (Draw your own conclusions.) Now to me this looks like "dirty caching" and I am a little disappointed. I guess there is no point in putting any good swag in any future finds just so some guy can take advantage of my good will. Les. Quote
WH Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 I headed out to do this cache and I noticed a log from the previous few cachers that the cache was full of water and basically ruined. I replaced the entire cache for the owner including a new container and new goodies. Any past "dirty" behavior should have been wiped clean....I hope Quote
lessenergy Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 Correction to the above and with appologies to the cacher referenced (although not named). He had never been to the cache before. After posting the above, I went into my e-mail and there was a message from him. Les. Quote
+RainbowCache Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 Why, of course! I just showered last week! Sparky, From your avatar, you are in a state of constant BATH. Just stay away from that 110 outlet! It might not kill ya, but it will make your hair stand on end. Quote
+Sparky-Watts Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 (edited) So I am new to this and have found only one cache. And, for reasons of my own, I don't expect to find many traditional caches. With all the talk about unfair trades, I went to the trouble of putting 2 $10 LCBO gift certificates in a cache. (For anyone outside of Ontario, LCBO is our government run liquor store. So really, if you are in the habit of buying liquor or wine, it is as good as cash.) I also took nothing. The cache owner has never placed another cache and has no finds and someone else had to replace the container a while ago so I took it on myself to upgrade the contents. So what happens? Three days after I put in the gift certificates someone comes and takes both (they could have taken just one and left the other $10 for someone else) and leaves a pretty marginal item. To top it off, the person who got the $20 had visited the cache before. (Draw your own conclusions.) Now to me this looks like "dirty caching" and I am a little disappointed. I guess there is no point in putting any good swag in any future finds just so some guy can take advantage of my good will. Les. Glad to see you finally got to find a cache, Les! Yeah, I agree, that was a low blow. I think it's wrong to revisit a cache just to snag a good item like that. It may be different if you go back for a TB, or if there's a sig item you absolutely want (even then I'd wait for one to appear in an unfound cache), but to revisit a cache just to snag a nice find like you left is wrong! EDIT: typed this while Les was typing his correction, but the message stays the same.... Edited January 27, 2004 by Sparky-Watts Quote
lessenergy Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 Thanks Sparky. The fact that the cacher had not been there before does not change the fact that the trade was unfair in the extreeme. Those gift certificates cost me $20 and for that the cache has another dollar store tinket in it. I clearly put on my post what I put in the cache. I had hoped that people would read that and provide some better swag. Lesson learned. Les. Quote
janx Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 I'm a newbie, and I would certainly try to put something nice in if I take something nice out. However, a few things to consider, before condemning others: why should you always trade-up (your basically supporting bums) who considers what is an even trade (I took a DVD, left a nice knickknack once) If you put something in the cache, expect it to be taken (you're certainly not going to get whatever was traded for it) Some people have misconceptions about what it means to put something in a cache. By putting something in, you are abandoning it. Whatever happens to it, happens. I've heard some people had the same mental hang-ups with travel bugs. You can't control what happens once it goes into a cache, therefore you should only put things you don't mind losing in the cache. This basic rule applies to gambling and loaning money to friends. Once you do it, its gone. If you maintain an attachment to it, your just going to get hurt. Now I would certainly agree that all cachers should do their best to preserve caches, whether its theirs or not. And I would appreciate finding caches that don't have junk in them. However, economics tells us people will make a trade that is in their best interest (trading down). Thus, the quality of a cache will decay until it reaches a level where nothing in it has any value, and thus nobody will trade down. Basically, if you stopped putting $20 gift cards in the cache, you wouldn't have people taking the card and leaving a golf ball. Instead, if you started a cache full of golf balls, you won't be disappointed. Janx Quote
RandMan Posted January 29, 2004 Posted January 29, 2004 Cleaner than a baby's bottom here. BTW, what's adasity mean? I couldn't find it in my dictionary. Come on now ... how audacious can you be? Quote
+flask Posted January 29, 2004 Posted January 29, 2004 here's a thing that's often not considered: sometimes a cacher will leave a REALLY NICE THING in a cache and you just KNOW that nobody is going to be prepared to trade even or up. i figure these things to be generous gifts, and i leave the best thing i have in trade. sometimes i'm the one who leaves the really nice thing. i do not expect anyone will be prepared to trade even or up. i hope this does not make me dirty. i've actually seen cases where somebody was hesitant to leave a nice thing because they were afraid people wouldn't be able to trade for it. oy. do the best you can at the time. share nicely. always make up for your cheap trades. be generous sometimes. and you never know what people will like. what looks really good to me might be cheap crap to you. but NOBODY wants a used, rusty barette or a crumpled, moist kleenex. at least nobody should. i love to see a good collection of clean mctoys because i know that's one more cache that somebody is going to be happy their daddy dragged them to. Quote
+Renegade Knight Posted January 29, 2004 Posted January 29, 2004 here's a thing that's often not considered: sometimes a cacher will leave a REALLY NICE THING in a cache and you just KNOW that nobody is going to be prepared to trade even or up. i figure these things to be generous gifts, and i leave the best thing i have in trade. sometimes i'm the one who leaves the really nice thing. i do not expect anyone will be prepared to trade even or up. i hope this does not make me dirty... I think it makes you a realist. If I choose to leave a nice thing that is a cut above the average it's my gift. As soon as I get my new PDA keyboard I've got a Targus Stowaway keyboard that will go out there. Quote
+DirtRunner Posted January 29, 2004 Posted January 29, 2004 I thought you died and went to N*vic@che ? hmmmmmmm DirtRunner Quote
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