+Runaround Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 An interesting debate has cropped up in our local club. I'm looking for some feedback from a wider audience. Assume there is an event cache in your area. You attend the event and discover that 2 temporary traditional caches have been hidden near the event site by the owner of the event cache. The coords for these caches are only available to those who attend the event and the caches are removed at the end of the event. In addition to attending the event, you find the 2 temporary caches. When you get around to logging the event cache, do you: A. Log the cache as "Found" 3 times, once for the event and once for each of the temporary caches. B. Log the cache as "Found" once, the temporary caches were just a part of the event. C. Other, please explain. It should be noted that the owner of the event cache doesn't care either way. Quote Link to comment
+JMBella Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 The owner should post the temp caches as archived so the finders can log them. I don't see a problem with that. I don't know if the admins would approve such a cache knowing it will never be "public" but it seems like reasonable solution. Quote Link to comment
+Snoogans Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 When you get around to logging the event cache, do you: A. Log the cache as "Found" 3 times, once for the event and once for each of the temporary caches. B. Log the cache as "Found" once, the temporary caches were just a part of the event. C. Other, please explain. It should be noted that the owner of the event cache doesn't care either way. "Everyone plays their own game. There is no sense in trying to police another's mindset as long as it falls within the general parameters of the game." Me (quoting myself from the poll that I posted on 10/23.) I have no problem with that. This isn't a race with a bucket o' gold at the end. Some people want stats and some people think that stats are dumb. The conflict starts when one person thinks that their idea of the game is the "RIGHT" one. Anyone who doesn't play the game their way is then dumb, or better yet, out to destroy geocaching. See also the first paragraph of this post. Sn gans Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Log the event cache 3 times. One for the event and one for each temp cache. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 (edited) Why would you be allowed to log an unapprovable cache? As for logging the event cache three times, did you attend three times? That's B. Edited January 14, 2004 by Renegade Knight Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Unapproved by whom? Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Unapproved by whom? This site, since temporary caches are not approvable. Now if they were part of an event cache and later listed that's another ball of wax. Quote Link to comment
Moun10Bike Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 In our area (the Pacific Northwest), we tend to go with B. I know that other areas have their own take on this, however. Personally, I see the temporary caches as part and parcel of the event, hence I support answer B. Quote Link to comment
+Corp Of Discovery Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Ive seen it done both ways. At one event I was at there were a couple of temp caches that bacame regular ones later. I only logged the event once and noted in the log that I found the temps, when they became regular I logged them and put in the log that I found them at the event. But thats just me. Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 If the caches were not submitted for approval, then they were not unapproved by the site. This came up before and the consensus was to log them as an find on the event page to keep from using up GC numbers. Quote Link to comment
+SerenityNow Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Now, this is an interesting issue. Oddly it was answered in the forums some time ago by the Approvers if you'd kindly check this link. http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php...+event+ca\ ches Further, it should be noted that if you check event cache listings around the country, and we have, many folks log these temporary finds. The practice is far from uncommon. We have logged temporary caches at events since we were told it was acceptable by a member of the group here in our town who seems to consider themselves the law and the experts on the sport. Interestingly, these are the same folks who are now calling "foul" when many of us did the same thing for two recent caching events. If the event owner has not objections to this practice, then we feel it is no one's business if someone logs the temporary caches or not. We have a related question. Is it right to log an event cache that has a planned agenda when one shows up during the last 30 minutes of it (after caching all day) and has not participated in the total program? Isn't that an attempt to boost numbers just as much as logging temporary caches at a event is? What makes that action right and logging temporary caches wrong? We have also seen folks walk into an October event cache we attended, tour the room in 10 minutes flat, leave and then log the cache. And that is considered taking part in the event? It would seem that both of these behaviors are rude and unfair to the person or persons who planned that event. If in your mind you believe that you are correct in logging a cache and the administration of geocaching.com has no objections, then we believe is your business and your right to do so. In other words we suggest when it comes to whether or not you can log temporary caches at an event.... MYOB! Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 If the caches were not submitted for approval, then they were not unapproved by the site... If they were not submitted for approval then there is nothing to log at all. I'm still B. They are part of the event. Quote Link to comment
+pnew Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 I think the written rule for this case should be "To each his own... within reason". As for myself I'd log it once then go find that list of travel bugs I didn't really help move and log'em all... Quote Link to comment
+cachew nut Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 I couldn't give two hoots if someone wants to log an event cache twice. It's their find count and there is no competition here. So if you find a cache at an event, knock yourself out. I gues my question is, what's the point? People at the event seek these things out, so what's wrong with using the event cache page? Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location Quote Link to comment
+pnew Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 I like the subtle owl reference in Jeremy's blurb. The man always keeps us on our toes I tell ya what... Quote Link to comment
+Planet Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 I don't believe you can double log on a cache page anymore. I could be wrong. I haven't tried. I think you just enjoy the temp caches as part of the event and keep reminding yourself "It's not about the numbers". Quote Link to comment
+bons Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 So all we need is a locationless Navicache cache. You could then log this locationless cache every time you find a cache listed on another website. Wow. I can hear the panties twisting already. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 So all we need is a locationless Navicache cache. You could then log this locationless cache every time you find a cache listed on another website. Wow. I can hear the panties twisting already. Scary, I was just thinking of the Navicache Cache Machine Geocaching.com event. Everyone hides a Navicache, finds it for the event, logs it on NV, then once again for each NV find on GC as part of the official event finds. Hooah! Quote Link to comment
+ChrisCindy Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 I would have to say B. Whats the point in logging multiple event finds just to boost your score. I am all for stats but I want them to be listed caches, and actual numbers, but to each his own. Quote Link to comment
+WGA Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 "A" ! Our Association has always allowed, and encouraged attendees to log each temp as a find on the event page. The quality of each of our temps has always exceded the average 'traditional' cache. Bottom line, let the organizers decide how they want to handle the logs. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 "A" ! Our Association has always allowed, and encouraged attendees to log each temp as a find on the event page. The quality of each of our temps has always exceded the average 'traditional' cache. Bottom line, let the organizers decide how they want to handle the logs. So by rights, I can allow Two for Tuesday's on all my caches as the owner? That falls short of the community standard. That the caches are of a higher quality doesn’t' make them more approvable as temporary caches. It comes down to numbers. If the numbers didn't matter nobody would be asking if they could log the even three times for the temporary caches at the event. But because they do seem to matter, then the caches themselves should be legitmitate approved caches. The ones that we can and do log and which the geocaching community frowns upon posting multiple finds on. Quote Link to comment
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