Colonel Mustard Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 http://www.wheresgeorge.com/wrapper.php?page=top10bills_dgc Is this old news? I don't track where's george bills, but it looks like wheresgeorge.com has a problem with cache traded georges. It just came to my attention, and I didn't see anything on here about it. I see georges traded all the time in caches. According to this, cache traded bills are not circulated "naturally" and won't fit their standards to be tracked. Quote Link to comment
+Sparky-Watts Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Oh, yes....it has been discussed many times. WG will continue to track cache bills, but just won't include them in their "Top Ten" stats. Quote Link to comment
+woodsters Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 That's stupid. If I trade for a WG bill, I always put it into ciculation. It's the right amount to buy me a bottle of ice cold water... Quote Link to comment
+CYBret Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Apparently, Geocaching.com allows (and even encourages) friends and familyto place and remove Travel Bugs from Geocaches and log each as a separate event along the way for the Travel Bug. When a family is involved, this can cause multiple events or logs of the Travel Bug in a very short period of time. While this is fine for most Travel Bugs, it presents a serious problem for Where's George? bills placed in Geocaches as Travel Bugs. To me this sounds like more of a problem caused by "Where's George-ers" who geocache, rather than Geocachers who do Where's George. Families logging travel bugs multiple times? Sure, it happens, but I'm guessing this is really a matter of the Where's George people doing it to get the stats up over there. Bret Quote Link to comment
the 5 little bears Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Yes its been talked about over there for a while.I have been georging for a little while now and I still put georges in caches but I usually fold them to make a ring, t-shirt or something out of them to make them more interesting. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Well now GC.com didn't alter the natural circulation of bills. They seem to come and go into caches and a lot of trackable items come and go into caches. Geocaching in and of itself is a new hobby and now a part of a lot of peoples natural life style. What did change the 'natural' circulation of bills was wheresgeorge.com as they tracked them and their very existance caused changes to the 'observed natural behavior of bills' Go figure. The rules of their site and the sites existance cause the problems they are having. Not geocaching. Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 The simple act of stamping, or marking a bill chages the "natural" circulation. Once a bill is marked, it is treated differently than other bills. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 The simple act of stamping, or marking a bill chages the "natural" circulation. Once a bill is marked, it is treated differently than other bills. I've seen unions and business do this to stress the economic impact they are having in a community. Quote Link to comment
+Sparky-Watts Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 And, WG.com won't know it's a cache bill if you don't tell them where you got it or where you put it. I've found a few in caches and are tracking them on WG, but they don't know they are cache bills. The first one I found in a cache I mentioned it, and that's how I found out about their cache bill rules. Quote Link to comment
+bigredmed Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 That site is so full of pop-ups and flash ads that I try really hard to just spend the WG bills and let some other person try to log it in. This makes for weak tracking as the bills will sometimes go from originator to cache to Quick Shop to bank to Fed to Incinerator and there will be no logs. Ah well, the games some people find interesting Quote Link to comment
Colonel Mustard Posted January 12, 2004 Author Share Posted January 12, 2004 Well now GC.com didn't alter the natural circulation of bills. They seem to come and go into caches and a lot of trackable items come and go into caches. Geocaching in and of itself is a new hobby and now a part of a lot of peoples natural life style. What did change the 'natural' circulation of bills was wheresgeorge.com as they tracked them and their very existance caused changes to the 'observed natural behavior of bills' Go figure. The rules of their site and the sites existance cause the problems they are having. Not geocaching. A cause and effect type of thing. Seems to me, the idea of their site is to track the geography and use of currency. If a wheresgeorge bill is used as a cache trade item, that becomes one of the accepted uses of that same currency. To disallow it seems to negate their purpose. At least that's how I see it. Quote Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 I think the good Colonel is exactly right (and in the library with a candlestick ). I'll trade them if I find them in a cache as I frequently carry the weegie coins to closer in caches so I can leave my pack in the car. I'll also log them in if they come accross my desk at my restaurant. I handle too much cash for me to bother marking any myself though. Does that make me a bad georger? Quote Link to comment
+Harrald Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 1) Geocachers started trading WG.com bills. 2) Some uber-cachers were among those trading WG.com bills. 3) Being Uber-cachers they found and moved more WG.com bills in caches. 4) WG.com bills that may get 2-4 hits a year in so called normal circulation were blown out by bills that were traded in and out of caches. Some as many as 2-3 a week. 5) Add to that the regular cachers that moved WG.com bills and you have tipped the balance. 6) The owners of WG.com decided to eliminate bills traded in and out of caches from their stats. This isn't a guess or my opinion. This is the way it happened. Also, rather than try and figure a way around their rules...Just play by them. Quote Link to comment
+woodsters Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 I can understand a point where a WG bill that goes from cache to cache might be logged and moved more frequently than one that goes through normal circulation , like buying that bottle of water... I can see why they wouldn't list those bills that have an advantage of being more moved, in the top 10. Quote Link to comment
mortonfox Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 2) Some uber-cachers were among those trading WG.com bills. If you place a lot of WG bills into geocaches, my recommendation would be to also enter some WG bills for normal spending. From what I've seen, a good deal of the griping at WG.com is about Georgers who have ultra-high hit rates and often, they turn out to be geocachers who enter WG bills just for geocaching. Quote Link to comment
+TeamK-9 Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I think that maybe if you get a where's george bill and put it into a cache, that's normal circulation because what's to say that normal people don't normally put money in caches. I mean it screws up WG by just trading them cache to cache, but it shouldn't be as much a problem that they ban it... Who's up for a petition/email campaign? lol... Quote Link to comment
+harleycache Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 A couple of my first finds, I put in www.wheresgeorge.com bills. Didn't think it would be a problem. So far, the logs on subsequent finds doesn't indicate anyone has taken them. Also haven't gotten a hit at WG on them. Perhaps in the future, any WG bills I put will include a note asking the taker to spend them, and not put them into their next cache. Perhaps that would help alleviate any problems. Quote Link to comment
+IV_Warrior Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Their rule, as stupid as it may be. Just like they claim to want to track the normal circulation of a bill, but you can only log it a bill once. Well, if I log a bill today, spend it tomorrow and get it back in change next month, NOT allowing me to log it again skews the tracking of it's normal circulation.......... Yes, I can see the reason they choose not to allow one person to log a single bill more than once, but they should at least quit claiming to track the normal circulation of bills......... Quote Link to comment
+haggaeus Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Also, WG$ demands that you have the bill when you enter it - so no moving into the next cache and entering it at home after the trip. Last time I took a WG$ from a cache located 20 miles west from my home and found that it was placed by a cacher from my hometown - so I have placed it in another cache in opposite direction and logged it with "had to lie about having the bill so it gets some mileage". That proved to be really naive idea, few hours later my WG account got banned for "repeated violations of rules". Oh well. Quote Link to comment
+YodaDoe Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Well, as an avid "Georger," I can comment on a few things here... There is no rule against putting bills marked with W.G. into geocaches, or against entering them when you find them there. The stated rule simply says that, once you find and enter the bill, you are to spend it or put it into another cache, or whatever. But it's against the rules at W.G. to give the bill to someone else so that they can enter it again. That does not conflict with anything here at GC.com unless someone explicity states that the W.G. bill is in fact a Travel Bug. (Does that happen? They are analagous to travel bugs, I guess...) Then the rules stated here at GC.com with regards to Travel Bugs will have the conflict with W.G. rules about re-entering bills within a circle of friends/family. As for the idea of entering a bill twice: it is very rare that someone finds a bill that they've previously found and entered. So this situation doesn't come up much. It has happened to me, though. I like to use $2 bills for W.G. As a result, it's not uncommon for me to go to my bank to buy some $2 bills only to receive a few that I have previously marked and entered. I guess one of the fast food places around here uses the same bank I do. But there is a very simple way around this. When you try to re-enter the bill, you will get an error message telling you you cannot do so. When you view the bill report, you can EDIT the comment on your original entry to reflect the fact that you obtained the bill again. YodaDoe Quote Link to comment
+YodaDoe Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 When you view the bill report, you can EDIT the comment on your original entry to reflect the fact that you obtained the bill again. Here's an example of this: those blasted $2 bills... Quote Link to comment
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