+Team GPSaxophone Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Remember Rudolph, the Naked Monkey with an extra large member? Many people said they would throw it away if they ever found him because it isn't appropriate for kids to come across something like that in a cache. Do you have kids? Girls? Do they play with Barbies? I've noticed that Barbies are always naked when they are not being played with. I could go upstairs to my daughter's toybox and pull out at least a dozen Barbies and not find a single one with clothes on. I've read somewhere that if Barbe were a real woman she would have an 18 inch waist and be way too top-heavy to stand upright. Since Barbie is an acceptable plaything for children, even with the oversized top-end, would it be acceptable to make a Barbie Travel Bug? It would of course be naked because that's the toy's 'natural state'. Your thoughts? Link to comment
+brad.32 Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 (edited) Our daughter received 7-8 Barbies for her 4th Bday, but had one before that. As far as her figure, they seem to all be different, but I haven't measured or otherwise systematically checked, but ... I get enlisted to help get the clothes on them and the clothes fit differently: some have a bigger torsos and their waist and breast sizes vary. I just did a TB search for Barbie and the search returned 30. I checked a sample of those and those that had pictures were all clothed, i.e., not in their natural state. I would think that if someone started a naked Barbie, someone would soon put clothes on her to correct the ... oversight. Barbie has no personality without clothes. Edited November 21, 2003 by brad.32 Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted November 21, 2003 Author Share Posted November 21, 2003 This obviously isn't as important an issue as the naked monkey was. Since no one has objected, I will release my naked Barbie travel bug when I buy some more TB tags. Link to comment
+Webfoot Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I would think that if someone started a naked Barbie, someone would soon put clothes on her to correct the ... oversight. Barbie has no personality without clothes. I tend to agree with this statement. There is a Barbie TB out there that has been doing some pretty risque things. I would imagine that someone would probably clothe Barbie if it were to be sent out nekkid. Now, I guess comes the bigger question. How do you intend to attach the tag? Drill through her, or use some sort of clipping device? Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted November 21, 2003 Author Share Posted November 21, 2003 Well, if I drill through her, that would remind me of a bad movie like 'Body Double' or something. Then again, it might prevent someone from clothing her. If I pierce her, it would be considered too last year Her head comes off, so I can't make it a necklace (leash?) If I tie it around her waist (only 2 or 3 links needed for that) someone might cover the tag when they put clothes on her. The next cacher might not realize she is a travel bug. Link to comment
+honeychile Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Barbie's just too big for most caches, even if she's doing yoga. I sent a mini version Geo Gena out as a bug. I used a cable tie (duct tape of the new millenium) to put the tag around her ponytail. Link to comment
+ChrisCindy Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 You could take her arms and legs off to get her in the cache, but then that would be a little on the wrong side. Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Isn't Barbie just a blonde hairless monkey with oversized sex parts? Amazing how perspective changes from Rudolph to Barbie. My opinion hasn't changed. Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted November 22, 2003 Author Share Posted November 22, 2003 Amazing how perspective changes from Rudolph to Barbie. Thank you, RK, for realizing the point behind my post. How is it everyone got worked up about seeing a travel bug with oversized parts, but Barbie is ok? The only difference is that the monkey had oversized genitals and Barbie has oversized breasts. Link to comment
+ChrisCindy Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Are people getting that up in arms over it? Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted November 22, 2003 Author Share Posted November 22, 2003 Flood control is enabled on this board, please wait 30 seconds before replying or posting a new topic I'll see if I can fink a link to Rudolf's thread. You'll see Link to comment
+nincehelser Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 How is it everyone got worked up about seeing a travel bug with oversized parts, but Barbie is ok? The only difference is that the monkey had oversized genitals and Barbie has oversized breasts. It isn't oversized "parts" alone. Charlie Brown has a large noggin and that isn't considered offensive. I'm not going into a big argument that some people just can't seem to let go, but there is a major difference between female breasts and male genitilia. On a scale of social offensiveness, they are many degrees apart. George Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted November 22, 2003 Author Share Posted November 22, 2003 Are people getting that up in arms over it? Rudolf's Story Link to comment
+ChrisCindy Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Are people getting that up in arms over it? Rudolf's Story I almost bumped it but it seems to have lost too much interest for a bump. Link to comment
+Webfoot Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Are people getting that up in arms over it? Rudolf's Story I almost bumped it but it seems to have lost too much interest for a bump. I think that was a wise decision. Link to comment
+ChrisCindy Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Are people getting that up in arms over it? Rudolf's Story I almost bumped it but it seems to have lost too much interest for a bump. I think that was a wise decision. Awww a little excitement never hurt anyone. Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted November 23, 2003 Author Share Posted November 23, 2003 Somehow my topic was closed with no moderator comments. Let's get back on the subject. I asked: How is it everyone got worked up about seeing a travel bug with oversized parts, but Barbie is ok? The only difference is that the monkey had oversized genitals and Barbie has oversized breasts. Link to comment
+brad.32 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 In my earlier post I mentioned size: new Barbies are not (that) out of proportion anymore. nincehelser had it correctly though. People are not that offended by seeing or talking about breasts but are offended by genitalia. For example, topless beaches are more acceptable than nude ones. Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted November 23, 2003 Author Share Posted November 23, 2003 Thank you for making the important point that breasts are not genitals. I've heard many women complain that movies will show a woman's breasts but won't show a man's penis. They don't seem to realize that difference. Link to comment
+eddthejailer Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 well first off i think barbie is a childs toy with no real lower parts true her top is heavy in the older models but still seeing a nakked barbie isnt offensive to me..its a toy for kids but i do agree if i did see a unclothed barbie as a t/b i would cloth it b-4 i put it back out.and i have never seen or heard of this monkey but i assume it is an adult novelty toy and not intended for kids to see.as WE ALL KNOW caching is a family sport and as such would be inapropriate.i also feel that this is a light fun filled sport.please let it stay that way.. dont start new posts bringing out the worst parts of this sport just to see peps get riled up!!if you want to improve the sport and keep it family oriented if it is questionable dont put it in a cache.there are plenty of sites and places for monkeys with big parts...and i might even laugh at it if i got a picture of it in an email but i sure wouldnt if i was caching with my 6 year old daughter and she found it and asked me what it was so please people think before you place these things. Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted November 23, 2003 Author Share Posted November 23, 2003 I thought the monkey idea was pretty funny, but you're right that it is a joke meant for adults. I wouldn't be offended if my kids found him in a cache. They all know what a penis is and that boys and girls are different. You made another good point that I hadn't thought of when I started this thread. Barbie is a toy that is made for children to play with, the monkey is not. Although breats are not genitals, in our society they are sexual. Why is it ok to accentuate the sexual part of a toy made for children? Link to comment
+WalruZ Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Barbie is not anatomically correct, not even the breasts, which are just bumps really. If Barbies breasts looked more like real breasts you would certainly hear about it from all sides. If Barbies nakedness carreied even a hint of 'member'... well... I don't know what to say. People go caching with their 4 and 5 year olds. They will certainly learn about members, large and otherwise, but I don't think GeoCaches are where that should happen. Link to comment
+nincehelser Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Although breats are not genitals, in our society they are sexual. Why is it ok to accentuate the sexual part of a toy made for children? Female breasts are openly accentuated in our society. It's normal. Women's clothing is often designed to accenutate these particuar features. A women's features are expected to be displayed. It's just the way things are. Men's clothing, on the other hand, tends to hide his equipment from view. It all comes down to some classic symbology. Breasts are seen as nuturing...motherhood, peace, and all that. Male genetlia is seen as agressive and warlike. The good side get's played up, and the bad side played down. Either that, or men are just too self-concious about their size. George Link to comment
+bons Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Busty has been lacking attention (probably because she's locked in a travel bug jail). I plan on helping her on her way in the next couple days since I have a perfect TB to leave in her place. I need to take her shopping before finding her a new home... Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted November 23, 2003 Author Share Posted November 23, 2003 It all comes down to some classic symbology. Breasts are seen as nuturing...motherhood, peace, and all that. So, men go to nudie-bars to be closer to their mothers? Link to comment
+brad.32 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Busty is a questionable TB in what this society considers family-oriented. Like the monkey, it's a toy for adults. I was curious about the societal stuff, so I looked up what The Naturist Society had to say. They have a long article, "205 Arguments in Support of Naturism", that has a section "Naturism promotes sexual health" that discusses social modesty and the display of bodies in clothes. The other two sections linked below are relevant to this thread too. Some observations on the nature of modesty http://www.naturist.com/resources/205_015.htm Naturism promotes sexual health http://www.naturist.com/resources/205_029.htm Accepted clothing requirements are arbitrary and inconsistent http://www.naturist.com/resources/205_102.htm There is no nudity on the linked pages, but there are some pictures on other pages, depending on how far into their pages you look. Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted November 23, 2003 Author Share Posted November 23, 2003 Busty is a questionable TB in what this society considers family-oriented. Like the monkey, it's a toy for adults. There's quite a bit of interesting reading on the links you provided. Thanks Lisa Demauro notes that "our society is far more at home with the idea of sexy breasts than functional ones." Link to comment
+honeychile Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 I'm the moderator for this forum. The current discussion has strayed beyond anything useful for geocaching or necessary to help travel bugs achieve their goals. Thread closed at this time. Link to comment
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