+wcgreen Posted November 3, 2002 Share Posted November 3, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Team StitchesOnQuilts: Sure, we parents should watch our kids 24/7, and most of us try. But the fact is, as kids grow up, they have to be allowed to use their own judgement, so that they *develop* their own judgement. When my kids are in their teens, I expect to be able to trust them to open a cache themselves, and it would be really nice not to worry that they might filch something like booze or tobacco to experiment with later. I raised five children (and I really doubt smoking is that "vanishingly rare" in your local high schools and nearby parks.) What you seem to be saying is "I trust my kids but not if there's something tempting in a cache." Perhaps they aren't as trustworthy as you think. -- wcgreen Wendy Chatley Green Quote Link to comment
dboggny Posted November 3, 2002 Share Posted November 3, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Gang Green:Is it ok to put cigars in a cache? how about you just make the humidor on your desk a cache. when i need a stogie, i will ring your door bell. i can trade a nice mctoy for that nat sherman SR and dboggny. Quote Link to comment
+Kouros Posted November 3, 2002 Share Posted November 3, 2002 quote:Originally posted by wcgreen: quote:Originally posted by Kouros: Likewise, leaving a tobacco related product for children to potentially find is equally wrong. I'd hate to think that any kid started smoking just because of Geocaching. [sARCASM] Hey--let's ignore my mom's cigarettes laying over there on the table and the pack my dad left in the car and all those packs that our friends have in their pockets and let's ignore all the convenience stores that don't card teenagers and let's go hiking. I hear people sometimes hide cigars in plastic boxes in the woods. [/sACARSM] I think we're both well aware that geocaching is a family game. But sometimes these kids go caching by themselves for local caches. A lot of kids wouldn't think twice about smoking normally. I know I didn't. Part of that might be down to the fear of getting caught trying to buy some smokes, but that's beside the point. A kid and his mates discover a cache. And in it they find a cigar. Kids being kids, they egg each other on to try it. They do, and they like the taste. Then one kid says he know where a shop never cards... Whether or not the (hypothetical) kid starts smoking because of Geocaching, putting cigars or cigarettes into a cache is, IMHO, irresponsible. Very few would question whether or not it's morally "right" to put Alcohol in a cache. Why not? It's a perfectly legitimate adult item, and no kid is going to become an alcoholic from one drink, right? Same with cigars or cigarettes. No kid will get addicted from one smoke... it might start off a chain of events (as above) it might not. Who knows? But which parent is going to be pleased that their child found a cigar in a cache and tried it? ------ O God, I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams. Hamlet, II.2 252-253 Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 quote:But which parent is going to be pleased that their child found a cigar in a cache and tried it? What parent is going to send thier child off, unsupervised, on a cache hunt. It would be irresponsible. That type of parent will have more worries down the road than their kid finding a single cigar in a cache. "You can't make a man by standing a sheep on its hind legs, but by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" -Max Beerbohm Quote Link to comment
+Kouros Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by BrianSnat: quote:But which parent is going to be pleased that their child found a cigar in a cache and tried it? What parent is going to send thier child off, unsupervised, on a cache hunt. It would be irresponsible. That type of parent will have more worries down the road than their kid finding a single cigar in a cache. Perhaps that's just a difference in culture. Perhaps cigars in caches falls under the same heading. I know of kids over here (in Southern England) who go caching by themselves... no where particularly dangerous. In fact, they go to exactly the same places that I played in as a kid. When I say they go alone, they might go in a small group, but with no adult supervision. I did the same when I was 13/14/whatever - I went for bike rides, and walks with friends in areas that I knew. A lot of caches are in similar, well known locations. Like I say, this may be seen as completely unacceptable elsewhere, although it isn't here. Others have mentioned that kids go caching with them - and the adults let the kids find the cache. Doesn't finding "adult" (and I use that term in a non-pornographic sense) contents puts a downer on the family nature of the activity. Tobacco might be acceptable where you are. I guess, in contrary to my own posts, it really is something that changes from location to location, and from person to person. Perhaps I'm being a bit too uppity about this. As has been mentioned, parents smoke near their kids - it happens, and kids know what smoking is. That said, I still think, actually believe, that tobacco related products (along with alcohol and food) should not be left in caches. ------ O God, I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams. Hamlet, II.2 252-253 [This message was edited by Kouros on November 04, 2002 at 05:27 AM.] Quote Link to comment
+wcgreen Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by BrianSnat: quote:But which parent is going to be pleased that their child found a cigar in a cache and tried it? What parent is going to send thier child off, unsupervised, on a cache hunt. It would be irresponsible. That type of parent will have more worries down the road than their kid finding a single cigar in a cache. Depends on what you consider a "child" here. I'm think teenagers--driving age (16 yrs USA) going out on a cache hunt alone or maybe pre-teens seeking a cache at a park while the family is picnicking there or in the neighborhood. If the parents did a good job in the previous 10+ years of their children's lives, there is little to worry about. Odds are those children have had plenty of opportunity to get tobacco/alcohol/whatever already. -- wcgreen Wendy Chatley Green Quote Link to comment
+Alan2 Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 So let's see. The kid finds a cache with a cigar in it. Lights it up with, hmm, with the pack of matches he just happens to have in his pocket, coughs his brains out and forever swares off - caching! Never do that again! Alan Quote Link to comment
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