+rocksnrivers Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 I attempted to place a virtual cache in the mountains above my town. It was refused and I personally believe wrongly so. I would appreciate your input on this topic. Please review the archived cache page and read the email discussion below then post your responses. THE CACHE PAGE (PLEASE REVIEW FIRST) http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=91792 THE DISCUSSION GEO Hi, Why is this cache a virtual? It seems that a traditional cache could be placed here. ROCKSNRIVERS Because i didn't see the need for a traditional. This is a cache that is really a FYI so that geocachers will know of a high altitude hut to retreat to if the weather is really bad etc. GEO Sorry, an "FYI" isn't a cache. The requirements are pretty clear on this. ROCKSNRIVERS I think that you have made a poor judgement in regards to archiving this cache and I will state my case. In your guidelines it states "A virtual cache is a cache that exists in a form of an object at a location which was already there. Typically, the cache "hider” creates a virtual cache at a location where physical caches are not permitted. The reward for these caches is the location itself and sharing information about your visit." The key phrase here is "The reward for these caches is the location itself and sharing information about your visit". This Hut rests at nearly 12000 feet in an area that most people never see. Your definition also states "There have been virtual caches approved in the past on the basis that "a physical cache could not be appropriately maintained" at the location, " While it is true that a tradititional cache could be placed here it could not be maintained during the winter months as it would be buried under 10 feet of snow. "A virtual cache must be of a physical object that can be referenced through latitude and longitude coordinates. That object should be semi-permanent to permanent. " 420 Hut is just that a high altitude hut (cabin) in the mountains that has been there for over a hundred years. "A virtual cache must be novel, of interest to other players, and have a special historic, community or geocaching quality that sets it apart from everyday subjects." The 420 Hut was built in the early 20th century by a squatter who live the mountain man lifestyle. I truely believe that you have been far too hasty in your decision to archive the cache. It does indeed meet all the requirements and guidelines posted on your website. Which by the way dosupport the FYI. In paragraph 2 of Virtual Cache Posting Guidelines it clearly states "A virtual cache must be novel, of interest to other players, and have a special historic, community or geocaching quality that sets it apart from everyday subjects." If this is not FYI I don't know what is. Perhaps you should review your own guidelines. One more point if you will...I have logged Virtual caches that are ridiculous and uninteresting to say the least. They were placed only for the sake of placing them. These were approved. 420 Hut not only serves as an item of genuine interest but in a nasty storm on the mountain it could also save a life. Perhaps you should reconsider your hasty decision. GEO You failed to read, or quote, this paragraph: Prior to considering a virtual cache, you must have given consideration to the question “why a regular geocache – perhaps a micro or only a log book - couldn’t be placed there?” If there is a good answer, then it may be a valid virtual cache opportunity. ROCKSNRIVERS Because if I placed a micro cache inside the cabin any GPS signal would be too weak to find it not to mention that this may constitute littering a potentially historic site. And I already addressed the fact that in the winter any traditional cache outside the cabin would be covered by ten feet of snow and I thought people might like to find this cabin during the winter while they were skiing at the area. GEO What about the traditional cache that you mention on your cache page? Is it covered with snow as well? There are many caches that are not available during the winter months. ROCKSNRIVERS You failed to address my first point about potentially littering a historic site. Whatever. it is clear that sadly you fail to see the value in this cache. But let me just say that there are many virtual caches that have been approved that have less value than the one thet I have presented. Too bad for the geocachers of NM that they will likely never get the chance to see this site. Stay Wet [This message was edited by rocksnrivers on September 11, 2003 at 12:24 PM.] Quote Link to comment
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