Religion in an ammo can

[+High Desert Fish]

Do you think religious items should be left in a cache?

[+High Desert Fish]

If you have found religious items in a Cache, please tell us what you have found.

[+pdxmarathonman]

Religious articles tend to get removed pretty quickly around here

[+Dawgies]

As long as they tell you the theme up front I have no problem with it. My choice as to whether or not to visit it. But that goes right along with any other themed caches out there.

 

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[+oregone]

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Originally posted by pdxmarathonman:

Religious articles tend to get removed pretty quickly around here

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Guilty as charged!

 

But Go Jesus! I totally hope that he/she makes the blazers beat the lakers.

 

i smell a markwell coming up...

 

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[+The Leprechauns]

Oh, how lovely, another "religion and caching" thread. I fully expect that Jesus will be crucified here by no later than Friday.

 

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[Scamp]

My question would be who the heck gets to decide what is religious and what isn't. I dropped off a tiki doll in a cache today. Does that qualify as religious? If you're a practitioner of some south pacific native religion, it sure is. To most of us, it's a knicknack. How about those little Buddha statues? Or... heh... ROCKS! If you're an animist, you might believe that there's a god in that rock...

 

I've seen crosses, angel pins and the like in caches and see nothing wrong with them. If that doesn't strike your fancy, then just don't trade for it.

 

<3)~

[martmann]

I saw a religious book in one cache, I just treat it like all the other stuff in caches, and leave it there.

 

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[+Bloencustoms]

Items, or propaganda?

 

"Searching with my good eye closed"

[+Freelens&Mosie]

Someone put a religious medal of sorts in one of my caches 4 months ago...it's still there. People seldom take religious items just leave them.

 

I have my own little world. But it's OK...they know me here.

[+DeerChaser & Company]

Do a searh.

 

I see no problem with it and if someone does have a problem with it DON'T TAKE IT!!!

 

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[+briansnat]

I've found brochures with scripture passages in my caches. There is one very prolific geocacher in the area who leaves them. Though I'm not a religious person, I left them for any who might appreciate them.

 

I also placed a guardian angel pin and a St. Christopher medallion in my micros. I thought someone may like them. I received no complaints and if someone did complain, tough.

 

"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues" -Abraham Lincoln

[CacheNCarryMA]

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Oh, how lovely, another "religion and caching" thread. I fully expect that Jesus will be crucified here by no later than Friday.

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...but have no fear Lep, the topic will get resurrected on Sunday!

[+DustyJacket]

I would think medals, pins, and such would be OK.

 

Brochures, pamphlets, and "propaganda" might be less than OK, and subject to moisture.

 

DustyJacket

Not all those that wander are lost. But in my case...

[+Rygel]

I'm an agnostic and I could care less what religious item someone puts in the cache because the items have no meaning to me. If its cool looking I might trade for it.

 

The only thing I wouldn't want to see is literature trying to save my immortal soul.

 

No, I haven't accepted Jesus as my personal savior.

 

Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

[+pater47]

Religion in a cache? So which make better Baptistries - ammo cans or rubbermaid? And I still haven't found the religious item in a cache that I"ve been trying to get. I really want one of those famous "Turn Or Burn" tracts to add to my cache trinket wall!

 

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[+Zartimus]

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Originally posted by Rygel:

The only thing I wouldn't want to see is literature trying to save my immortal soul.

No, I haven't accepted Jesus as my personal savior.

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I'm with you on that one, it kinda bugs me too when I get that shoved in my face (I guess I'm going straight to hell). I think when items of that sort get placed, there is some sort of hidden agenda that I do not wish to be part of. I could just ignore it though, I guess.

 

Gee, would cult items placed in a cache be ok?<grin>..

[+nincehelser]

Religious items are OK with me, but I draw the line at those things that tear down the beliefs of others.

 

In my area, there's a cacher who leaves atheist propaganda thinly disguised as religious material. Straight to the trash it goes.

 

George

[+Breaktrack]

Once again, I am inspired to rejoin with WHO CARES?

 

Items of a dangerous nature, such as ammunition, should not be placed in caches. Pornography should not be placed in caches. Food items should not be placed in cacehs. Other than that, WHO CARES?

 

I do not care if you are religious and are offended by those that are not.

 

I do not care if you are not religious and are offended by those that are.

 

If everyone would quit being so damned offended by every little thing that comes along you're stress level would be almost zero.... think about it.

 

But then again, who cares? LOL.

 

 

"Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life.

[+rogbarn]

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Originally posted by Rygel:

I'm an agnostic and I could care less what religious item someone puts in the cache because the items have no meaning to me. If its cool looking I might trade for it.

 

The only thing I wouldn't want to see is literature trying to save my immortal soul.

 

No, I haven't accepted Jesus as my personal savior.

 

Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

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Perhaps your tag line for this topic should be:

 

Lack of planning on my part does not constitute an emergency on yours.

[+worldtraveler]

Wow, has it been one year already? Time for another reality check, folks. Geocaches and these forums are not a democracy, a democratic republic, or a branch of the federal government. They are not governed by the U.S. constitution or the U.S. Supreme Court's current misinterpretation of the 1st amendment. There is no freedom of or from religious expression except that which is either actively granted or passively tolerated by Jeremy. If you care to know what he thinks, you can start by lookinghere, and here, and here, which he posted on 25 June 2002, 28 Apr. 2002, and 25 June 2001.

 

And regarding this entry...

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Originally posted by Zartimus:

...it kinda bugs me too when I get that shoved in my face...

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...how does finding a pamphlet (which you have to open in order to be exposed to its contents) sealed in a ziplock bag lying in the bottom of an ammo can hidden in a hollow log in the middle of the woods and found only after a diligent search using a GPSr and information garnered from geocaching.com constitute having it "shoved in your face"?

 

Worldtraveler

[+Stunod]

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Originally posted by Rygel:

No, I haven't accepted Jesus as my personal savior.

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I was thinking about adopting Jesus as my personal avatar...

 

That would open another can of worms

 

"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."

[Jeremy]

Is there any point to this exercise? It's not like you're going to change behavior through a poll.

 

I've explained the stance of the site in the past (Scroll up to links to several of my responses). It's a waste of time to discuss. If you don't like it, trade it out of a cache. It's not as though you can post guards at each cache to decide what goes in and out. Deal with it.

 

Jeremy Irish

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[+Allen_L]

I wondered it the person who created the poll was trying to find out what geocaching community thought about it so they would know if it was ok for them to leave religious items.

[+Zartimus]

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Originally posted by worldtraveler:

And regarding this entry...

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Originally posted by Zartimus:

...it kinda bugs me too when I get that shoved in my face...

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...how does finding a pamphlet <snip> constitute having it "shoved in your face"?

Worldtraveler

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True, my reference is out of context. I am speaking of the people who come to my door with the exact same pamphlet. Next time I'll just tell them I can already get them in geocaches<grin>.

 

It's just that although I believe in something like, let's say, free choice when it comes to the abortion issue, I don't leave liturature pertaining to that subject in a geocache. And unless asked, I usually keep my opinions to myself.

[+Lazyboy & Mitey Mite]

I recall Jeremy's stance on such items. I share it. Imagine that.

 

One local cacher places brochures in his caches all the time. Doesn't bother or upset me in the least. It has as much effect on me as a McToy would.

 

I just think there should be more event caches. I love those.

 

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[flat_lander]

This whole thread reminds me of the song "Jesus in a bottle" by the Dead Milkmen. Replace "bottle" with "geocache"... bingo... new hit single.

 

"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." -George Burns

[+Siberian Cacher]

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How does finding a pamphlet (which you have to open in order to be exposed to its contents) sealed in a ziplock bag lying in the bottom of an ammo can hidden in a hollow log in the middle of the woods and found only after a diligent search using a GPSr and information garnered from geocaching.com constitute having it "shoved in your face"?

 

Worldtraveler

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Ok, now that's funny!

 

So, as far as I can tell in my 6 months or so of caching, the following items are not allowed in caches:

 

Items of religion (either implied or your interpertation of), sharp opjects - including pens and pencils, any fast food restaurant novelty items, trinkets or items below the $50.00 value, food, batteries (unless Energizers), business cards,...

 

As far as I have found, the only non-complaints seem to come from the "doggie" caches.

 

I guess, in a few years Congress will pass a law allowing only virtual caches due to so many people being offended by people making caches that the cache owners want to make that represents who they are and not what other cachers want. Kinda sounds like something my 2 year old does - complains that at someone elses birthday party, he didn't get any gifts

 

With man, it is impossible, but with God, all things are possible!

[+Rygel]

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Originally posted by RogBarn:

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Originally posted by Rygel:

I'm an agnostic and I could care less what religious item someone puts in the cache because the items have no meaning to me. If its cool looking I might trade for it.

 

The only thing I wouldn't want to see is literature trying to save my immortal soul.

 

No, I haven't accepted Jesus as my personal savior.

 

Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

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Perhaps your tag line for this topic should be:

 

Lack of planning on my part does not constitute an emergency on yours.

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I'm taking this as a comment that I won't be ready for the Rapture when it comes.

 

Don't worry I won't be running to anyone looking to be saved. I'm comfortable with my stance on religion and prepared to deal with the consequences should I be proved wrong.

 

Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

[+Renegade Knight]

My take.

 

You can leave anything you want as your calling card.

 

Don't be a religiouse lurker. If you are going to do it be blatant.

 

Trading a McToy for a religouse tract is not trading up.

 

If I need to make room for a real item I will take out all the paper junk including dead cupons, biz cards, tracts, etc. before I take out an item that has some 'value'.

 

Value is relative but nobody pays for tracts at a garage sale.

 

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Wherever you go there you are.

[+Confucius' Cat]

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Originally posted by Renegade Knight:

My take.

 

You can leave anything you want as your calling card.

 

Don't be a religiouse lurker. If you are going to do it be blatant.

 

Trading a McToy for a religouse tract is not trading up.

 

If I need to make room for a real item I will take out all the paper junk including dead cupons, biz cards, tracts, etc. before I take out an item that has some 'value'.

 

Value is relative but nobody pays for tracts at a garage sale.

 

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Wherever you go there you are.

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Drat! I just bought a dozen at my neighbor's sale!

 

Caint never did nothing.

GDAE, Dave

[dsandbro]

If you want to leave a religious item in trade then go ahead and do so.

 

If you find a religious item in a cache you are free to ignore it or trade for it and remove it.

 

If a tract or brochure only gets one person out of a hundred to start attending the church of their choice then it's still a good thing to put in a cache.

 

The 1st amendment does not mean everyone else must hide their religion from you because you don't like it.

 

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"The time has come" the Walrus said "to speak of many things; of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and Kings".

[+EraSeek]

Here is a simple way to approach these items, and any other as well:

 

If it is an advertisment (of anything) don't put it in a cache. If it is a reflection of who you are, go ahead and place it.

 

No one here want to be ''sold'' anything. Everyone here wants to ''discover'' something new.

 

Tracts are a sales job! Nothing more than that.

 

 

"See the wonderous works of Providence! The uncertainty of human things!" Geo.Washington

[geoStrider]

Hmmm, canned religion. Sounds compact, tidy, perfect for every budget. Make mine a lite.

 

I've never been lost, but I was a might bewildered for three days once. Daniel Boone

[+Zzzoey & illDRIVEuNav]

So I take it no one is interested in the new pamphlets I made up for this?

 

WARNING: I cannot be responsible for the above, as apparently my cats have learned how to type.

[+beatnik]

Does Jack Chick have a geocaching tract yet?

 

beatnik

[Scamp]

He should. I've missed church to go caching on Sunday, and there are those anatomically correct travel bugs and other unholy things out there.

 

Geocaching: more evil than D&D (which I have also skipped church for)?

 

<3)~

[+flask]

it's kind of like shooting craps... ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances.

 

i wouldn't enjoy a box full of cheap stuff intended to proselytize, but i certainly don't take offense if i run across an angel or a nicely made saint medal, and wouldn't mind seeing religious music or sermons, blah, blah

 

it's the diversity of thought that makes us interesting creatures.

 

and i can appreciate that some people want to leave the best they can think of in a cache. for some folks, the best they can offer us is religious n nature. i tend to think that no kind thought is ever wasted.

 

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

[+beatnik]

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Originally posted by Scamp:

He should. I've missed church to go caching on Sunday, and there are those anatomically correct travel bugs and other unholy things out there.

 

Geocaching: more evil than D&D (which I have also skipped church for)?

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beatnik

[Scamp]

Amen! I have seen the light! Thanks, Brother Beatnik.

 

I will never skip church to cache again (unless it's really nice outside, or there's a new cache near my house, or there's a travel bug that needs help somewhere in the vicinity...)

 

<3)~

[swanlakers]

Beatnik has a side hidden to us all

 

Swanlakers