Jeremy Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Who, if anyone, should be able to see the list of people on a geocache's watch list? (This poll will run for a month) Quote Link to comment
umc Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 I say everyone because I don't think that there is any hidden reason for being on watch lists. They are for legit reasons so I wouldn't feel bothered if someone/everyone knew I was on X watch list. I also think that if we are going to have thread ranking on this site you should be able to see who voted what. It helps eliminate all of the week posts from jerks who have no (you know what) to do so without hiding. I really don't care to who is watching my caches but it would be nice to know just for the sake of knowing. I'm watching some caches and I wouldn't care if the owner knew I was watching his/her cache, its no secret. ______________________________________________________________________________________ Caching without a clue.... Quote Link to comment
+travisl Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 There's only reason I can think of that I wouldn't want my user ID appearing to the general public on a watch list. If it's a cache that hasn't gotten a first find yet, I'll put it on my watch list so that I'll be alerted if someone finds it before I'm able to go out and hunt for it. If my name shows up, that'll tell other local cachers that I know about it and intend to get it soon. As it is now, they've got to guess if the one person watching the cache is me, or Criminal, or VDS, or someone else. Definitely not a big deal. So long as it's obvious to a potential watcher that their user ID will be listed, I don't have a problem with any of the options. WWJD? JW RTFM. Quote Link to comment
+opey one Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 I'd like to know who's watching, so I say everyone. That way, as a "good" geocacher, I would keep them in mind for future reference of an event cache or just a simple request to go find a cache together in the future. I guess that would work, wouldn't it? Quote Link to comment
+benjamin921 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted for Just the Owner as a minimum. Wouldn't hurt to see them all though. Quote Link to comment
+The Cheeseheads Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I'd like to see something like what's on some BBS' where users have the option of making their ID available for viewing. By default, if I were watching a cache, it would be visible to all, but if I were truely paranoid, I could make it invisible. Of course, on the flip side, you could have something where if I chose to make my ID invisible, then I couldn't see anyone else's as well. - - - - - Wisconsin Geocaching Association Quote Link to comment
Dinoprophet Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I would love this feature, whether it's just the owner or everyone. Everyone would be nice though. Camraderies seem to bloom among seekers of the more infamous caches. "Winter's just the curtain. Spring will take the bow" -- Richard Shindell, Spring Quote Link to comment
+JetSkier Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 What if you could "anonymously" watch a cache and in that case, only the owner could see you. If you didn't choose anonymous, then everyone could see you. That way the paranoid cachers could remain anonymous with their watch lists. JetSkier Quote Link to comment
+Thallas Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted everyone, but having an option of anoymous could be a good thing. If you chose to be anonymous, you couldnt see anyone else on the watch list. Quote Link to comment
+-=(GEO)=- Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted for 'Everyone' because I can't think of a reason to keep such a list a secret from anyone: if 'they' watch a cache, 'they' want to log it or have already logged it and therefore 'they' will be known at some point. Quote Link to comment
Micqn Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted for everyone to see who is watching a cache. Like afore mentioned it is neat to see who is watching a cache and out of pure curiosity I like to know who is watching a cache. It also adds a new level of neatness to see that somebody else is interested in a cache let alone your own cache. Where you all at? Quote Link to comment
+carleenp Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted for just the owner, but I really wouldn't care if everyone could see it. Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 What carleen said. "It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues" -Abraham Lincoln Quote Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 It's really just something for the owner to be concerned with. It wouldn't help me one bit to know which cachers in my area are watching a particular cache. I know which ones will be hunting for it first(I'm one of that group), so having a watch list wouldn't change it. On my newest cache, however, after it was approved it was being watched by one person and not found for 8 hours or so after placement. Was it the approver wanting to see what other cachers thought about it? Was it a local that wanted someone else to find it to get an idea of how difficult it was? A watch list for the cache owner would have answered that question. Quote Link to comment
Dru Morgan Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I couldn't decide between 'everyone' and 'owner', so I voted for everyone. I like the idea of the combo watch list, allowing an 'anonymous' choice for paranoid cachers, but still allowing the owner to see all of them. Ever notice how anyone that caches more than you do is a maniac, while anyone that caches less than you do is an idiot? -Dru Morgan Quote Link to comment
+TotemLake Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I haven't hidden any caches yet, but when I do, I can see no reason why the watcher list needs to be a hidden list too unless you provide coordinates for the seeker. Cheers! TL Quote Link to comment
+CoronaKid Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 quote:Originally posted by travisl:There's only reason I can think of that I wouldn't want my user ID appearing to the general public on a watch list. If it's a cache that hasn't gotten a first find yet, I'll put it on my watch list so that I'll be alerted if someone finds it before I'm able to go out and hunt for it. If my name shows up, that'll tell other local cachers that I know about it and intend to get it soon. As it is now, they've got to guess if the one person watching the cache is me, or Criminal, or VDS, or someone else. _WWJD? JW RTFM._ I see your point Travis, but I tend to look at the upside. If I see that an avid FTF cacher is on the watch list, I might try a little harder to beat him to the punch. It would be sort of like an 'Amazing Race' against known fellow cachers. BTW, in my area I already know who the avid FTF finders are, so it's a safe bet they are looking for it regardless if they are on the watch list or not. Actually seeing them on the list would just add a little fun to the FTF challenge. I voted for 'everyone' to see it. --CoronaKid Quote Link to comment
+pdxmarathonman Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted for cache owner only. Not a big concern if everyone could see the watch list. As long as by *everyone* you mean *all Members*. Quote Link to comment
+Web-ling Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Certainly the owner should be able to see who's watching their caches. I don't see any reason why everyone shouldn't be able to see. Maybe it could be set up where all owners can see who's watching, but make it a perk for "paying customers" to be able to see all watch lists. Either way, it's not a big deal. I just use my watch list as a way to indicate to myself which caches I've printed out but haven't hunted yet, so I really don't care if someone knows I'm watching. Quote Link to comment
+Desdinova Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted for everyone.. Every now and then I see threads about a group of poeple going out together to find caches. They alwasy seem like they have a a lot of fun with it. If I know there a few others who are intrested in finding a cache im intrested in checking out then i might be motivated to try to orginize something like that. At very least though i would say the owner should be able to see. Take for example the recent issue with the "Cache Pritate" I would be willing to guess that they had the caches they raided on thie watch list (esp. if they really were doing it for the reaction) might have given the cache owners a little bit of warning, but then maybe not. but i really cant see any harm to beig able to see that info. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I hadn't thought about everyone, but I like that option as much or more than just me. ===================== Wherever you go there you are. Quote Link to comment
CacheMonkeez Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I say only the owner for now. Watchers may be apprehensive about watching if they know everybody can see the watch list. Also, adding the owner's ability to see the watch list is a gradual step towards letting everybody see the watch list. Why not take this intermediate step and see how it goes? Then decide later whether or not to allow everybody to view the watch list. Quote Link to comment
+Desert_Warrior Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted for everyone. But I agree that an anonymous button that restricted it to just the cache owner would be nice. I can see no reason that the cache owner shouldn't know who is watching. The cache owner is not likely to be a"first finder" in any case. Mike. Desert_Warrior (aka KD9KC). El Paso, Texas. Citizens of this land may own guns. Not to threaten their neighbors, but to ensure themselves of liberty and freedom. They are not assault weapons anymore... they are HOMELAND DEFENSE WEAPONS! Quote Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 quote: Dru Morgan:I couldn't decide between 'everyone' and 'owner', so I voted for everyone. I like the idea of the combo watch list, allowing an 'anonymous' choice for paranoid cachers, but still allowing the owner to see all of them. I agree completely with Dru. The owner should know who is watching his/her cache, but I'm sure there are folks out there who are paranoid enough to choose 'anon'. Of course they probably do have people out to get them so they really aren;t paranoid the are they? I have 8 accounts watching one of my caches right now. I'd love to know who they are. These changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes; Nothing remains quite the same. Through all of the islands and all of the highlands, If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane Quote Link to comment
Pantalaimon Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Everyone! Everyone! I'm psyched that this topic is being discussed... but I don't know why I'm so excited. Oh yeah, I'm a voyeur. Pan The internet to tell me where. A GPS to get me there. Quote Link to comment
+Alan2 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Everyone. Just like the Forum, knowing who's who adds to the friendliness and comaraderie. (and sarcasm, too ) It'll make it more clubby. Isn't knowing a person's "nickname" better than just being a number out there? It'll bring people together in a hobby where most people are off on their own most of the time. Alan Quote Link to comment
+nincehelser Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted no one. Life needs more mystery. George Quote Link to comment
+Mike&Laura Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted for "Undecided". I feel that everyone should have a choice as to whether their name is displayed or not. That takes us back to the "Anonymous" choice. If you choose this option, not only would your name not appear, but i vote that no one else would be visible to you. I guess what I am trying to say is that either way, to me, it really doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment
Eeyore and Shadow Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voten no simply because excessive information always leads to trouble. People will be griping because cacherX is watchign all of thier caches or they will suspect anyone who is watching thier cache and hasn't found of plundering it if anything should happen to thier cache. And I'm sure there will be other things that haven't occured to me as yet. Eeyore I'm one sat short of triangulation. Quote Link to comment
+smithdw Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I would say everyone, with the option of someone being able to do owner only if they choose to. If I'm watching another cache, I don't care at all who knows it, but I think that there are people that would want to limit the information to the cache owner only. Maybe something like this: If you are a paid member, you can see who is watching any cache depending on their settings in the next statement, otherwise you don't get to. If you are a paid member you can control who is able to see you watching a cache (Owner only/everyone/no one), otherwise the cache owner and paid members can see you. That might be a incentive to get more paid members or at least an additional perk for those of us who are paid members. Quote Link to comment
+Breaktrack Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Seems like this is a popular "wish list" type item with the crowd. I'd like to see who is watching my caches, but I really don't see why anyone else would care who is watching my caches. I voted owner only but I really don't care if it's any other way. I'm going to enjoy whichever way it turns out. "Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life. Quote Link to comment
+Kfam Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted Everyone. I also like the idea of making it a premium member perk. If paranoid people don't want their name on a list they should be able to figure out an alternate way to watch caches. Quote Link to comment
rocketman1 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted for "No One". I think it should be left a mistery to everyone. Why would anyone NEEED to know? No one needs to know, and if everyone could see the watch list, then I'm sure there would be a few people that would be reluctant to watch caches. People watch caches for different reasons. Sometimes I like to watch one after I find it, just to see what they take, or might leave in a cache. I have also put my self on a watch list, if I could not find a cache. Other people may watch caches that have travel bugs. The way I see it there is no benefit to see who is watching a cache. If everyone knows, then the mistery and part of the fun is gone. Take Care Rocketman1 Quote Link to comment
+tozainamboku Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I thought about this and finally decide on No One. As stated above, people watch caches for different reasons. Some are waiting to see if others find the cache (and perhaps leave some hints in their logs). Others watch after they have visited to see if someone takes their trade item. (alas many people do not log what their trade was). I am watching a cache because it on the same trail as my cache and I want to see if anyone goes after that cache and not mine. The cache I am watching is a members only cache while my cache is not. I can't see any reason for either the cache owner or anyone else to use the information. I'm not even sure I should care how many people are watching my cache. -- I found it in the last place I looked. Quote Link to comment
+YeOleImposter Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I see no reason not to make the watchers available to all paid members, the anonymous option would be ok. The other thing that should be available to owners of all caches (and not just member-only caches) is the list of people who have viewed the cache page. I make all my caches members only for the first week for 2 reasons - 1) to encourage people to subscribe and 2) so I can see who is checking out the cache. Quote Link to comment
+worldtraveler Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I voted "everyone", but I would also support some kind of gradation as previously mentioned by others. At a minimum, I think paying owners should be able to know who the watchers of their caches are; whether you want it to be a perk for them only or extend it to others (paying or non-paying) doesn't matter to me. Worldtraveler Quote Link to comment
+smithdw Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 quote:Originally posted by YeOleImposter (formerly yragnosluap):The other thing that should be available to owners of all caches (and not just member-only caches) is the list of people who have viewed the cache page. There was that list on the cache pages about 6 months ago or so. They took it off for some reason, probably the amount of data that it used up and the increase in the processing time it took to look up the info. Quote Link to comment
+EraSeek Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Everyone. I also like the idea of making it a premium member perk. I have enjoyed the mystery of it, but I think it would be a nice change of pace. "See the wonderous works of Providence! The uncertainty of human things!" Geo.Washington Quote Link to comment
+st_richardson Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I've always felt that the owner should have the have the right to see who is watching their caches. I have serious reservations about having the watch list being public, however. It would also be nice to have an option for the cache owner to do a bulk email to everyone on the list. Quote Link to comment
+Freelens&Mosie Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 I can think of no reason to hide people from others on the watch list. I think it would add some interest to the sport to know who is watching your cache. Obviously I voted for everyone. I have my own little world. But it's OK...they know me here. Quote Link to comment
+UPSCWRU Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 One of the reasons I said Everyone is that a lot of caches have multiple owners - but to my knowledge, only one person gets official recognition of that. The co-owners of our ZooCache, who provided materials and labor to our cache, wouldn't get the same priviledges as I, the official owner, would get. In the case of an owner-only view of watchers. UPSCWRU (University of Puget Sound, Case Western Reserve University) Quote Link to comment
+c-4 cache Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 got you thinking did i,Jeremy? well my vote is in. Love many, trust few ,always paddle your own canoe. Quote Link to comment
+Eswau Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 I voted No One. Not a big deal to me which ever way it goes, but as others have said, I think people watch caches for a variety of reasons and people might be less likely to watch a cache knowing the cache owner knows they are watching. While I know the response will be Nobody is making you watch - or if you don't want to be known, don't watch, I still like it the way it is now. Eswau Quote Link to comment
+Dave_W6DPS Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 I don't mind if others can see what I am watching, and i would be happy to explain why if asked... I would like to be able to see who is watching my caches and travel bugs. Not a big deal, just curious. I voted only the owner, because I know some people tend to freak about this kind of thing. Of course everyone can already see the logs we post, so it doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Dave_W6DPS My two cents worth, refunds available on request. (US funds only) Quote Link to comment
MycoCache Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Just to complicate things, you could have it something between 'owner' and 'everyone' -- people on the watch list are able to see who else is on the list. Might help people get to know those with interest in similar caches... the 'comraderie' bit mentioned above. I don't think there's a reason that everyone looking at the cache page should see who all is watching, but that could be more an issue of implementation than who has access to the information. I, too, think there should be an option to anonymously watch a cache, thought don't know off hand what its main use would be. -- If life gives you lemons, make lemonade. If life is less kind, grow mushrooms. Quote Link to comment
+LarsThorwald Posted May 11, 2003 Share Posted May 11, 2003 Truthfully, knowing who is on the list has never been a big concern to me... but it repeatedly turns up on the forums. So I vote YES - the owner of the cache should have access. Charlie "One should never begin a journey by heading in the wrong direction." Quote Link to comment
+BDC Posted May 11, 2003 Share Posted May 11, 2003 I don't really see a reason to do that. It Is interesting to know who's watching your cache. I just don't know If I want people to know I'm watching their cache. I know that sounds silly but that's my gut reaction. Don't hunt what you can't kill! Quote Link to comment
+MarcB Posted May 11, 2003 Share Posted May 11, 2003 I said everyone, although the fact that I leave a large majority of caches on my watch list after I've found em' may throw some people! MarcB Took Log Book, Left Nothing Quote Link to comment
+Planet Posted May 11, 2003 Share Posted May 11, 2003 I voted for everyone, but agree with having an anonymous button if it is possible. Cache you later, Planet So many caches, so little time. Quote Link to comment
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