Inside a Fast Food Joint

2.6k · February 21, 2003

I went looking for a virtual this afternoon that zeroed me out inside a fast food resteraunt. I wasn't sure about it so I stepped inside the 'box' and then stepped out because I figured something was amiss.

Later that evening I talked to a friend who confirmed that the answers to the virtual were inside the house jack built. Does this sound too comercial to you?

Do you think it needs to be archived?

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=51199

george

Pedal until your legs cramp up and then pedal some more.

1.2k · February 21, 2003

...I don't.

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

2.7k · February 21, 2003

Definitely different. But if you don't have to pay, it should be allowed. If I was in the area, I'd check it out as the questions spark my interest. A little variety is good.

February 21, 2003

Sounds suspicious to me. If the cache page said something about having to go into a restaurant, it probably wouldn't have been approved in the first place.

It also makes me wonder if it fits the "coffee table book worthy" criteria of the virtual cache requirements.

Now where did I park my car???????

1.6k · February 21, 2003

oh we're so silly us geocachers, we archive a virtual that take a month to plan doing, and leave one up inside a fast food joint

oh yeah, they unarchived the one with the month planning

if people want these, let 'em have 'em

more categories, more cliques and less connectivity

who wants to be guilty be association

5.3k · February 22, 2003

I don't have any problem with the premise, and I don't think it should be archived, but there is another problem with this cache: the questions that need to be answered to log it do not appear on the cache page. They are hosted elsewhere.

I don't think this is a good idea. First, it means that anyone using Palm-based or printed cache pages won't be able to see the questions. Second, it means that the cache depends on a server external to geocaching.com, which may or may not be around.

I think that all requirements to log a cache should be present on the cache page. I have a couple of caches that require specific images; I have always been careful to upload the images and have them hosted at geocaching.com, in order to keep all the info there.

[This message was edited by fizzymagic on February 22, 2003 at 02:03 AM.]

1.2k · February 22, 2003

....it would be interesting to know how many of the tens of thousands of cachers use Palm devices. I use one and find it quite valuable when in the field, but I don't depend on it entirely.

The questions page which is hosted on another server in the Meet Larry cache is also printable BEFORE the cacher leaves his/her home, and in fact the cacher is URGED to print out the form to provide a convenient place to record the answers once at the site.

Ron

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

2.6k · February 22, 2003

In fact I did use the Palm and when looking for the question to get an idea of why I was in the jack in the box, or if I should be in the jack in the box at all I couldn't find the questions. So instead of making a questionable cache rather simple, he makes a quaetionable cache rather tedious.

Having the questions off site seems like a waste if not just obnoxious.

Either way, it's a very small JITB. Not one you can walk in and get lost in the crowd. If you walked in it'd pretty much be expected that you're buying something.

george

Pedal until your legs cramp up and then pedal some more.

[This message was edited by georgeandmary on February 22, 2003 at 07:27 AM.]

1.2k · February 22, 2003

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

[This message was edited by Ron Streeter on February 22, 2003 at 08:07 AM.]

February 22, 2003

This cache to me appears to possibly have a commercial purpose (a "soft sell" promotion of a restaurant). I have always been a strong supporter of this site's policy against promotional caches. Such a policy should be enforced with quite a broad brush, because a good entrepreneur can always find the "loophole". I am not going to get bent out of shape if this cache doesn't get archived, but I will not complain if it does.

I don't want to start an off-topic debate on whether or not we should allow a proliferation of such caches, but I have always been of the view that Geocaching would change dramatically if commercial caches were allowed. Even though the cachers who have visited it so far, appear to have enjoyed being introduced to the restaurant, if I were "the powers that be" I would likely archive it. It would make little difference to me if the cache hider was well intentioned and was not getting any personal material gain from the promotion.

I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me.

1.1k · February 22, 2003

I was gonna stay out of this one, but it sparked my interest for some reason. After doing some investigating, I really felt the need to reply.

Seems that there isn't a problem with this cache where you have to go INTO a restaurant and ask the owner/cashier/whatever for the cache. In fact, looks as if George visited it himself! (07/24/02) Why is this one okay but "Meet Larry" isn't?? Is there a possible relation to who placed it???

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=9999&log=y&decrypt=

As for the questions being off-site, that wasn't an issue when I visited the cache. I guess that if you never read cache pages before going out to hunt, then it might be a problem. After ending up in some cruddy situations because I wasn't well-prepared, I learned to always at least glance over a cache page to see if I need to know anything before leaving home.

Just my humble 0.02 in defense of a friend!

Jaimee

Too bad closed minds didn't come with closed mouths.

1.2k · February 22, 2003

...but I've got other fish to fry on this beautiful California morning.

That might even include a hike WITHOUT looking for or placing a cache! (This is good kite flying weather too)

So, I won't be back on this forum for a day or so.

Ron

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

February 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Streeter:
...but I've got other fish to fry on this beautiful California morning.

That might even include a hike WITHOUT looking for or placing a cache! (This is good kite flying weather too)

So, I won't be back on this forum for a day or so.

Ron

__I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.__

Good for you!

Just enjoy the outdoors any way you can. I would much rather just go for trip in the woods without caching than look for a cache in a fast food joint.

========================================

Friends don't let Friends geocache drunk.

24.7k · February 22, 2003

It all depends. I for one prefer the placment of caches by us non commerical types as the qualifier for commercial or not.

I can place a cache at McDonalds but McDonalds can't place a cache at all.

There actually are places worhty of a cache that happen to be commercial in nature. One Night Stalker did in CA comes to mind. This is a convenience store with the theme of an alien invasion. Nice cache. Worthy of a visit. The cache is't commercial but the property is.

Some commercial establishments collect things worthy of a museum and worth seeing. I've watched those caches rejected because they were in side of a business (thouhg you would not have to spend money to get the answers or see the collection).

Go figure.

Wherever you go there you are.

February 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Streeter:
....it would be interesting to know how many of the tens of thousands of cachers use Palm devices. I use one and find it quite valuable when in the field, but I don't depend on it entirely.

The questions page which is hosted on another server in the Meet Larry cache is also printable BEFORE the cacher leaves his/her home, and in fact the cacher is URGED to print out the form to provide a convenient place to record the answers once at the site.

Ron

__I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.__

I'm just curious. Why host the questions on an outside server?

Why not just include the questions in the cache description?

I use a PDA when caching. If you have stuff that's required to log the cache that doesn't appear in the cache description, I'm not going to have it, and as a result, I'll simply ignore the cache.

1.2k · February 22, 2003

...haven't left for the great outdoors yet, so time for one last response.

Dave54...

Ain't America great! We have so many choices and we can CHOOSE to do them or not!

Kodak's4....

Putting something on a server outside geocaching.com allows you to do things that you couldn't otherwise do.

As I said, I am a Palm user too, but I don't let it dictate my caching life. I look at the cache pages on the geocaching site too.

Once again...any STATS on how many people use Palms? Even if it was 10% (which I doubt) that wouldn't seem to make it an issue. And if it is an issue, one can always move on to another cache in the area. If I placed a cache with an off-site PRINTABLE page that was a 200 mile drive and there were no other caches around, I would feel ill-at-ease, but as it is, I don't feel I have inconvenienced anyone much...maybe some, but not much.

Now those newspaper vending machine caches don't all require the cache seeker to invest money, but some of them do, and even if they don't, some cachers will invest a bit in looking into 4 or more machines for a film cannister. Hey, isn't that promoting a commercial venture ON private property?

Lots of variables folks !

Ron

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

February 22, 2003

I was contemplating placing a virtual cache in the Kayenta, AZ Burger King. The owner is the son of a Navajo Code Talker and has assembled a cool little museum of Code Talker memorabilia in the dining area.

I guess since it's inside a Burger King it won't fly, huh?

Kayenta BK

February 22, 2003

I don't think a non commercial geocacher placing a cache inside a commercial place should be an automatic disqualifier. If that were the case, then the Disneyland caches (traditional and virtual) would have to go, and those are some of the best I have done.

But, let's judge this one on the value it presents, and one way for us, as individuals, to do that before we make our decisions is to read the logs. So far, they sound like everyone who found it enjoyed themselves. Typically you can tell when a cache is lame or inappropriate by some logs.

Ever notice that anyone that caches less than you do is a moron, while anyone that caches more than you do is a maniac? -Dru Morgan

2.6k · February 22, 2003

Jaimee

You are correct we did find that cache last year and when we were going for it we thought that this cache was questionable because it was inside a business. One difference though, all the information was on the web site and we assumed that since it had been approved it was okay.

We have done other virtual caches inside commercial establishments as well, but they usually provide a history lesson or some out of the ordinary points of interest. I loved the out of africa cache because it was such an interesting place to visit. I do not believe that most fast food restaurants fall into this category.

Ron

It is your cache and and therfore your decision. I do think that it is inconvenient not having the questions written on the cache page. We are among your 10 percent(?) that rely on our hand held device for cache descriptions. Apparently you have your reasons for doing it this way.

Mary

Pedal until your legs cramp up and then pedal some more.

2.6k · February 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade Knight:

Some commercial establishments collect things worthy of a museum and worth seeing. I've watched those caches rejected because they were in side of a business (thouhg you would not have to spend money to get the answers or see the collection).

Go figure.

Wherever you go there you are.

I think you can tell by the questions asked that this cache does not fall into one of those caches that are of museum quality interest.

quote:
What is unusual about Larry's hat?

What color is Larry's companion's hat?

What is the slogan on the companion's lapel pin?

If each seated person drank a 16 ounce drink, how many total ounces would be consumed?

Why the questions are off site is another mystery. Before you do something you think you would ask, "To what benifit is this?"

The "free country" reply is a rather weak one. It's the answer you give when you can find no other reason. As a teacher, it's the answer I'd expect from the 'D' students when you catch them doing something stupid.

I'm not the first person to questions one of Ron's caches. http://opentopic.Groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000917383&m=3520929435

If you noticed, he uses the same free country excuse on that one too.

Some really strange stuff, it'd be like requiring someone to sign the log with a #2 pencil or something.

george

Pedal until your legs cramp up and then pedal some more.

[This message was edited by georgeandmary on February 22, 2003 at 08:27 PM.]

February 22, 2003

GeorgeandMary,

We had a nice discussion a few days ago about cachers being feeling obligated or being required to place caches.

This is an example of what I was talkin about. This is the kind of cache that i feared might be the result of 'required' caches IMO.

And there's already too many starting to appear.

M

February 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by maleki:
We had a nice discussion a few days ago about cachers being feeling obligated or being required to place caches.

This is an example of what I was talkin about. This is the kind of cache that i feared might be the result of 'required' caches IMO.M

On this remark I would have to disagree. I have personally found many of Ron's caches. His caches are well thought out and placed. Some of his caches are in the some very beautiful areas. I know that George and Mary have found many of his caches as well and would have to HONESTLY agree that his caches are not placed because they are "required".

My wife says put a coordinate on it and I'll find it.

February 22, 2003

Was just a comment to G&M about another discussion. Nothing against anyones caches. You had to be there. I shouldn't have posted it here.

M

February 23, 2003

One of my most favorite caches I have done was the Covert Cache. This one is also in a restaurant. And from all the posts on it, it is a big hit. It has one of the best themes I have seen. If you come to Milwaukee I would recomend this one that is in a restaurant!!

February 23, 2003

This looks less like genuine concern over a possibly commercial cache, and a lot more like a simple personal conflict between a couple of cachers who don't get along.

Let's live and let live, OK?

--

Scott Johnson (ScottJ)

February 23, 2003

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1.2k · February 23, 2003

...I'm out of quarters.

Ron

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

1.2k · February 24, 2003

....actually, found a couple, but this one will do.

If you receive this magazine (AAA Via) look on page 14 of the March/April 2003 issue for the article "Geocaching Catches On".

It's pretty good..except for the mention of caches sometimes being buried (which they are...even though the "rules" don't "allow" that). Should those buried ones be archived?

Maybe George has an opinion on that too.

The Via magazine web site doesn't appear to have the story online, but maybe I just didn't search long enough.

Enjoy!

Ron

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

February 24, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by georgeandmary:
Does this sound too comercial to you?

george

I think I once found a virtual inside a commercial establishment.

It was a quicky- mart south of Stockton.

Had to go inside to see what the aliens liked to eat.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=16704

Didn't bother me any, and I wouldn't ask for it to be archived.

20.7k · February 25, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Streeter:
...Should those buried ones be archived?...

Maybe George has an opinion on that too...

I would hope that we would all have an opinion on this issue. Buried caches put the activity in a light that makes it difficult or impossible to get authorization to place new caches. I believe that they should certainly be identified to TPTB and archived.

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

20.7k · February 25, 2003

In my opinion, George is correct. Even though the cache may not have been placed by the restaurant owner, it is commercial in nature.

A while back, there was a thread started by an individual who wanted to place a cache outside of a business. He was an employee, but cachers had no obligation to enter the business and, in fact, could access the cache without being seen from inside the business. Many people trashed this idea as too commercial. In my opinion, this cache is much more commercial in nature. I'll try to find the thread.

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

2.6k · February 25, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Streeter:

Maybe George has an opinion on that too.

I do, and if you'd go back and SEARCH the forums you'd see that it's been discussed many times.

george

Pedal until your legs cramp up and then pedal some more.

2.6k · February 25, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by GeoSharks:

I think I once found a virtual inside a commercial establishment.

It was a quicky- mart south of Stockton.

Had to go inside to see what the aliens liked to eat.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=16704

Didn't bother me any, and I wouldn't ask for it to be archived.

That's because there something of worth to see inside. A poster in a Jack in the Box hardly meets that bar.

Infact, the cache you linked too very much sounds like the cache Renegade Knight mentioned above.

Ron has another cache inside a Bar, but that one is actually interesting. This one falls short in many respects.

george

Pedal until your legs cramp up and then pedal some more.

February 25, 2003

I did a cache in Queens, NY that required you to go to four movie-related locations. Archie Bunker's House, the flying saucers from Men in Black, a Spiderman location and the McDougals from Coming to America. The last one is a working Wendy's restaurant. It's claim to fame qualified it for coffee-table book status. Note that you didn't need to go inside, just prove that you were there.

Cache a Movie Redux:

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=26856

I understand the need to draw the line at commercial caches. Still I appreciate that it's a big fat gray line because there are a lot of caches that are technically commercial, but I'm glad exist because they do draw me to something new and interesting. The caches inside of Disneyland for example.

What if a cache was inside of a restaurant of a cacher and when you found it, you got a free soda or piece of pie? Commercial, yes, but I'd do it and I'd probably support the cacher too by buying something. I know that it would never be approved because of the potential for abuse, but it would be fun nevertheless.

For those caches in the commercial gray area, just disclose the nature of the commercialism up-front and let the cacher decide.

Mickey

Max Entropy

More than just a name, a lifestyle.

1.2k · February 25, 2003

....so much attention to a non-event!

Since George started this topic a total of 104 separate cacher names have accessed the Meet Larry page for a total of over 300 *looks*...some people looked 17 times...George was one of those.

Of further interest is that the vast majority...on the order of more than 98% of those who looked did not feel the need (or whatever) to comment here in the forum.

Considering the geocaching game is essentially using an electronic device to get you close to something you can *find* (tupperware or a sign or a view) this seems like a lot of energy going out.

Anyone who lives in the Central Valley of California near Stockton, Modesto knows that Geoge and I don't see eye to eye. George apparently felt there was a real issue here that he wanted to explore with the geocaching *world* at large.

Some people have agreed with him, some have not. Some people don't even think it's worth commenting on.

George does his thing, I do mine. I could make all kinds of remarks about his brand of geocaching, but I won't do that aside from saying that he breaks the *rules* as much as anybody does. I made earlier remarks about his many newspaper vending machine caches and his buried cache (one that I know of), but really, isn't it all a non-issue?

Worldwide the approvers are presented with a set of information (coords and descriptions) that hopefully are pretty much true to the facts. Sometimes the coords are off a bit...a fact some cachers will be quick to complain about. Sometimes the ratings are off (too hard, too easy) and a good deal of the time, most people are happy with what they get.

So, shall we beat this and other dead horses a bit more, or shall we just say...as George has OFTEN said....*It's just a game*.

Ron

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

1.2k · February 25, 2003

...here's the link to the cache both George and his wife Mary have mentioned as being a cache they find acceptable.

It's called Out Of Africa and anyone who is in the area should check it out...if you CHOOSE to.

It will be interesting to see how many of the people following this forum take the opportunity to visit the cache page. I'll wait a few days and let you STATISTICS lovers know the results.

Ron

Edit: Also check out this virtual which is near the Out Of Africa cache.....The Real McCoy.

I've placed over 150 caches in half a dozen states and two countries. (I have virtual and physical caches in Italy) These represent three of those caches. In those 150 there are some good ones and some that aren't so good. Can anyone here say they haven't placed one that doesn't satisfy somebody?

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

[This message was edited by Ron Streeter on February 25, 2003 at 01:52 PM.]

20.7k · February 25, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Streeter:
...Can anyone here say they haven't placed one that doesn't satisfy somebody?

I don't believe that the issue of this thread is whether people find any cache 'satisfying' or not. The issue is whether or not a specific cache follows the rules as stated by TPTB.

Many people have given their opinions. At this point, perhaps we should wait to hear from the admins or Jeremy to learn their position on this and similar caches.

Also, I don't see how the number of people who look at a cache page has any merit on this discussion.

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

1.2k · February 25, 2003

...I'm sure that going *off topic* (slightly?)is a violation of some prime directive, and if you would like me to start ancillary topics on the several issues which *surround* this thread, I will be happy to do so, but it seems a waste.

My feeling is that spending this much time (whether *on topic* or off) is mostly a *waste* of energy.

Whether Jeremy (for whom I did approvals in the past)becomes aware of this and makes a decision to keep or archive the Meet Larry cache is a moot point in my opinion. Several people found it, had no problem with it and moved on. George didn't like it initially (imho)because it didn't show up right on his palm, and it went from there.

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I only mentioned the number of people who had looked at the page and who had not responded here as what I felt (again in my opinion) as some indication that for them it was a non-issue.

It has been my experience that the most vocal folks don't necessarily represent the feelings of everyone else. Some people just want to *lurk* and not get involved. They either don't have an opinion or won't express it for whatever reason.

Again...if a few people here want to continue to *debate* the efficacy of Meet Larry, they can go ahead and do so. I don't feel I need to defend it one way or the other beyond that I have already done. If it goes away, no big deal. People will still cache and the sun will still rise.

Ron

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

2.4k · February 25, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Streeter:
I only mentioned the number of people who had looked at the page and who had not responded here as what I felt (again in my opinion) as some indication that for them it was a non-issue.

It has been my experience that the most vocal folks don't necessarily represent the feelings of everyone else. Some people just want to *lurk* and not get involved. They either don't have an opinion or won't express it for whatever reason.

Ron

__I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.__

Perhaps those who read, but didn't post felt that someone else had basically stated their feelings, and they didn't feel the need to spend the energy to post "ME too"

I'm lost. I've gone to find myself. If I should happen to get back before I return, please ask me to wait.

2.6k · February 25, 2003

Watch out sbell, you're on his (long) list now.

The fact remains that it's a cache that takes you to a comercial place of no interest. The fact that the questions are hosted off site only add to the questionablity of the cache.

Ron's been around for a long time and I believe the approvers give him the benifit of the doubt. I doubt the approvers new where the cache was.

I've found plenty of quick micros outside a fast food places. I've also been to comercial places that were of interest. One of them is mentioned above. But this cache does nothing but make you walk into a jack in the box just because he wants you to.

george

Pedal until your legs cramp up and then pedal some more.

1.2k · February 25, 2003

...have you checked the length of your list lately. (sorry Sbell111 this may be off topic).

The fact is neither I (nor you) for that matter, makes anyone go to a cache they don't want to. People make their own choices about what to do or not to do.

Ron

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

February 25, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Streeter:
The fact is neither I (nor you) for that matter, makes anyone go to a cache they don't want to. People make their own choices about what to do or not to do.

Ron

Now I don't see how that is true. How do you know what or where it is until you get there. So I say that the cache owner definitely does "make" you go there. I also agree the cache in question is not within protocol. That's my opinion and I don't expect everyone or anyone for that matter, to agree.

_________________________________________________________

On the other hand, you have different fingers.

1.2k · February 25, 2003

....

here's a copy of the email he sent to the administrators at geocaching.com

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User comments:

This needs to be looked at by the admin....

1) The coordinates take you INSIDE a fast food place of no significant interest.

2) The questions are hosted off site.

If the admin determines that this an acceptable cache so be it. But admin should be aware.

george

*************

I guess this is where I take my Bill Clinton pose and say *that depends on your definition of significant*.

The issue of the questions being posed off-site seems moot. But what do I know?

************

Anyway, does this also mean I should question all those commercial, private-property newspaper vending machine caches and the one buried cache that I know about?

I think not. As I've said many times, most of the people who are doing geocaching are smart enough to make their own decisions about such things.

When I go after one of George's caches that isn't very fully described, and I pull up outside a 7-11 to see a row of newspaper vending machines, I either just pull back out, or if I need refreshment, I go inside.

Ron

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

February 25, 2003

I am not sure what all the fuss is about! What am I missing here? I really enjoyed this cache. It was fun! Isn't geo-caching supposed to be fun? Who cares if it's inside, outside or wherever! I use restraunts frequently just for bathroom purposes. I don't feel like I have to "buy" something in return. So what's the difference in using the bathroom or looking at a poster? I don't own a PDA. When I took up this hobby, all it told me was that all I needed was a GPS.

I print the pages with all required information and hunt the ones I WANT to. If I find that I am putting myself at any kind of risk or danger; or that it's a place I don't wish to visit, I DON'T GO! Come on people, give it a rest. Have fun - just like the sport is meant to be K?

Cathy

There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors.

1.2k · February 25, 2003

....in our area there are so many caches and about a dozen cachers that *almost* everyone knows what is going on here.

Sure, you may not know *exactly* what you will see when you get there, but *usually*..I stress *usually* cachers here are on their way to grab about 6 caches at a time within a few mile radius.

IMHO, all of this is based more on George's discontent for reasons OTHER than those expressed.

It's too bad he can't even bring himself to address me personally when we both show up at area geo-events, but then that is his problem, not mine.

George can take whatever pleasure he can derive if the Meet Larry cache is archived. As I stated above, it doesn't matter that much to me, as I have plenty of supporters for my caching activity, and I will continue to seek and place caches...probably long after George has given up the activity...of course, I am about 30 years older than he is, so I might die first !

Ron

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

February 25, 2003

Well there are many caches in violation of some part of the Cache Listing Requirements/Guidelines.

Commercial Caches / Caches that Solicit

What is a commercial cache? A commercial use of the web site cache reporting tool is an direct or indirect (either intentional or non-intentional) attempt to solicit customers through a geocaching.com listing. Examples include for-profit locations that require an entrance fee, or locations that sell products or services.

The cache in question loses here...

...

Some exceptions can be made for certain cache types (e.g. locationless) In these situations, permission can be given by the geocaching.com web site. However, permission should be asked first before posting. If you are in doubt, ask first.

Wait was an exception made for this cache? Doubt it because the qualifying questions were placed on another server (so as not to draw attention to a weak --- cache?).

And I think this cache falls short in all areas of the virtual cache listing requirements.

This cache must have been approved by mistake!

1.2k · February 25, 2003

...people who were interested in this thread to take a look over here.

Ron

I've never been lost. Fearsome confused sometimes, but never lost.

February 25, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Team 5-oh!:

Wait was an exception made for this cache? Doubt it because the qualifying questions were placed on another server (so as not to draw attention to a weak --- cache?).

And I think this cache falls short in all areas of the virtual cache listing requirements.

This cache must have been approved by mistake!

If you were familiar with Ron's caches; you would know that he does extensive cache page work with all kinds of art, graphics and design. He has SEVERAL virtual caches with the questions on another server.

I have to disagree that he was drawing attention

away from his cache by posting the questions this way.

Cathy

There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors.

February 25, 2003

While I am not directly familiar with his caches I am familiar with his cache pages. I also do web pages / graphics / ... I dont see the reason or need to put cache related information on another server.

fin

PS The meet Larry answer form is not even (edited).

[This message was edited by Team 5-oh! on February 25, 2003 at 06:01 PM.]

6.5k · February 25, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Streeter:
Since George started this topic a total of 104 separate cacher names have accessed the Meet Larry page for a total of over 300 *looks*...

Of further interest is that the vast majority...on the order of more than 98% of those who looked did not feel the need (or whatever) to comment here in the forum.

I didn't comment because it seemed un-needed, but since you seem to want every to post...

Ron, try not to take it personally But I think Meet Larry sounds lame. Going to a fast food place to see what color a hat is sounds like a pretty Un-interesting cache.

Hosting information off-site is a non-issue IMO. If you have a reason for putting somewhere else, then do it that way. It could be inconvenient, but so what... Im sure there are caches that host all info on gc.com but are inconvenient anyways.

Is being lame a reason to archive a cache? NO, but this cache does infridge on the *guidelines* and should be considered for archiving.

Inside a Fast Food Joint

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