i think i'm boycotting this cache...

4.7k · August 14, 2003

this cache just showed up as brand new, and looky here! the FF just HAPPENS to be one of the hiders.

nevermind that people who brag about all their FF's in every log really bother me. but i wonder how lame his other FF's are?

please don't think it's because i'm jealous of all his FF's. i assure you that my credentials as a FFWhore are in order. i just don't keep track of them.

the only parallel i can think of is having large genitalia and having the sense to keep it in your pants.

anyway, it saves me a trip to shaftsbury today.

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

August 14, 2003

It just said he helped and didn't know the actual location. I tink you may be a little picky in this case.

August 14, 2003

Maybe he/she has got alzheimers disease in which case the find is perfectly legitimate ..... again and again and again.

Seriously, sounds a bit lame... maybe 'Squealer' just intended to leave a note ?

4.7k · August 14, 2003

no, he clearly calls himself FF, and the hider says that he brought along the ammo can to place AND that they went together. i think that DQ's him as a finder.

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

August 14, 2003

*shrug* Alot of people just love the numbers. Personally, I just like getting to a cache that has been hidden well or requires some sort of extraordinary adventure to get to it. Now I *do* mark in my logs if it's a FTF so that if another person finds it that day, but logs on the site before me, the cache owner can keep it all straight. When I retrieve my cache logs ans try to authenticate finds it makes it much easier when everything is in order.

August 14, 2003

Czarniecki314: O.K. Squealy, turn around, don’t look, I’m about to hide it.

Squealy: My eyes are shut I’m not looking. Hurry up, hide it.

Czarniecki314: O.K. Let me see - where can I put this now....

Squealy: Hey Czarniecki! Don’t think too hard about it - just stick it in the stump so I can pull it out and log my FTF.. After all, it’s my Ammo Can and I’ve got some say in this.

Czarniecki314: Alright, alright (as he places the can in in the only opening at the base of the stump). You can turn around now, it’s hidden.

Squealy: (placing his hand into the hole in the stump) WOO HOO!! Found it. Come on let’s go do another.

Czarniecki314: O.K. But I get to be first finder this time. That was the deal.

Squealy: Yeah, but just remember, Czarniecki, my FTF will always be bigger than yours.

I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me.

1.4k · August 14, 2003

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8k · August 14, 2003

Was there a great first finders prize in this one? Say like $20.

If not, then I think you're way too hung up on the numbers.

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Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

2.1k · August 14, 2003

Sorry I didn't read it that way Flask. I read it that Squealy brought the ammo can already filled up to his house. They did go and scout together. But it doesn't say that they both placed it. Squealy's log stated he helped scout it, but didn't know the location of where he put it. His log is also a day after it was hidden. I don't think that would merit putting a spotlight on them or the cache. If you don't want to do it because of that, then don't.

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

38.2k · August 14, 2003

I'm boycotting this cache for another reason. It's dangerous . This cache is in the area of the Bennington Triangle and and roamed by the Glastenbury Monster. Here is an article about it that I submitted for inclusion in Weird US magazine. I'm told it may appear in the fall issue:

In the late 1800's a stagecoach traveling along present day’s Route 9, near Glastenbury, Vt. was attacked and overturned by a strange creature. The occupants, who were unhurt, described the attacker as a huge ape-like monster. This unusual incident was the first reported sighting of the Glastenbury Monster, in an area that has come be known as the Bennington Triangle.

Glastenbury, some fifteen miles northeast of Bennington, was once a bustling town situated at the base of Glastenbury Mountain. Nearby was the town of Fayville, which was settled in the early 1800's by hardy pioneers. These people braved seclusion and the brutal winters and by the 1880's Glastenbury was a thriving town that had nearly 250 residents, a dancehall, a casino, two schoolhouses and a mill. But it wasn't to last.

A flu epidemic, the harsh environment and the promise of more fertile land elsewhere prompted the town's residents to slowly leave. By 1930, Glastenbury's population had dwindled to seven and all that was left of Fayville was ruins. Today Glastenbury, surrounded by 27,341 acres of wilderness, is relatively forgotten and unvisited, except by a handful of hikers and hunters. Its current population is nine, all members of the the same family.

Rising above the town of Glastenbury is Glastenbury Mountain, which at 3,764 feet, is Vermont's 5th highest peak. It was considered to be cursed by area Indians because it was said the four winds converged on the peak. They refused to live near it and rarely ventured there, except to bury their dead. Throughout the years, residents of Fayville and Glastenbury told stories of mysterious lights and unusual sounds that emanated

from the mountaintop. But strangest of all the stories surrounding Glastenbury Mountain are tales of the Glastenbury Monster and the mysterious disappearance of a number of people on and around the mountain.

It started in 1892, a when a local millworker named Henry MacDowell killed a co-worker by hitting him over the head with a board. He was sentenced to life in an asylum, but escaped, never to be seen again. It was said that he fled to Glastenbury to hide on the familiar slopes of the secluded mountain. Also occurring around this time was the fore mentioned stagecoach attack.

A half-century later, on November 12, 1945, 75 year-old Middie Rivers, an experienced local outdoorsman, guided a party of hunters onto the mountain on an clear and warm fall day. While returning to their camp, Rivers got ahead of the others and vanished. Police and volunteers launched an unsuccessful search for the hunter. The only clue was a single bullet found by a stream, which searchers guessed fell out of his belt when Rivers stopped for a drink of water.

A little over a year later, on December 1, 1946, an 18 year old Bennington College coed disappeared without a trace. Paula Welden an avid hiker who was familiar with the area, decided to go for a day hike on Glastenbury. She got a ride to the trailhead and

several witnesses confirmed seeing her on the trail. When she failed to return to school, a search was initiated and over 1,000 volunteers scoured the area. Despite this, a $5,000

reward and help from the FBI, Paula Welden was never seen again. Some locals speculated that she arranged her disappearance and moved to Canada with a lover, but family and friends discounted this.

Three years to the day after Paula Welden's disappearance, James Tetford vanished from a Bennington bound bus. He boarded it in St. Albans Vt. and though his presence on the bus was confirmed by passengers at the stop before Bennington, he was not on it when it reached Bennington. Neither the driver, nor the passengers had any idea what happened to him.

Then, on October 12, 1950, 8-year old Paul Jepson became the next victim of the Bennington Triangle. His parents were caretakers of a local dump. His mother was tending to chores and left Paul sitting in her truck unattended for a few minutes, only to find him missing when she returned. According to Paul's father, the boy had recently developed a strange "yen" to go into the mountains. Despite the fact that Paul was wearing a bright red jacket, an intensive search came up empty. Bloodhounds traced his scent to a nearby road and lost it. The boy was gone, without a trace.

Three weeks after the boy’s disappearance, Freida Langer was hiking on Glastenbury with her cousin Herbert Elsner. Langer fell into a stream and told her cousin to wait while she ran a short distance back to their campsite to change her clothes. When she didn't return, Elsner went back to camp and discovered that she had never arrived there. It was unlikely that she got lost, as the trail was well defined and she was very familiar with the area. Search teams aided by planes and helicopters found nothing. Additional searches on November 5 and 7 were also unsuccessful.

And on November 11 and 12, a 300 member search party consisting of National Guardsmen, police, firemen and other volunteers came up empty-handed. The following spring, Langer's body did turn up. Badly mangled, it was found in an open area that had been searched repeatedly the previous fall. Due to the condition of the corpse, the cause of death could not be determined.

Next, a 13-year-old boy named Melvin Hills disappeared in the Bennington area on October 11, 1942, and in 1949, three hunters mysteriously vanished in the Glastenbury Wilderness. These were the last reported disappearances on Glastenbury.

Many people have tried to explain the strange phenomenon of the Glastenbury area vanishings. Some say they were the victims of the Glastenbury Monster, the same creature that overturned the stagecoach many years earlier. There have been sporadic sightings of this creature over the years and a local photographer claims to have taken a photo of it. Others believe they were victims of a catamount (mountain lion), although they are thought to be extinct in the area. Another theory is that perhaps a serial killer was responsible. However, there was no pattern typical of serial killers, who tend to

hunt people of a similar sex, age or body type. The only discernable pattern was that all disappearances occurred during the months of October, November, and December.

Other people who are familiar with Glastenbury are quick to discount the ghost stories. Some locals say that Glastenbury is simply a wild and mysterious place, one that wants to hold on to its privacy. The ghost stories that come out are a reflection of this. That might be so, or perhaps the local Indians knew something we don’t know. - B. Sniatkowski

[This message was edited by BrianSnat on August 14, 2003 at 11:17 AM.]

1.2k · August 14, 2003

I guess I fall into the category of: Non-issue, who cares?

"Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life.

August 14, 2003

I agree with the "who cares?" responses. Besides, BP is always the FF of caches in my neck of the woods anyway

38.2k · August 14, 2003

It seems that in some regions FTF's are a big deal. People apparently have programs that will alert them to a new cache and leaving the house at 2 am to bag it isn't unheard of.

In other areas, like NJ, nobody seems to think it's such a big deal. Personally, I really don't care if I'm the FTF, or the 50th.

"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day" - Dave Barry

[This message was edited by BrianSnat on August 15, 2003 at 03:24 AM.]

4.8k · August 14, 2003

Brian, have you read *The Secret History* by Donna Tartt? It is set in that general area and involves a couple of murders, one of which is a college student whose disappearance caused a huge search. Tartt attended Bennington College.

Here is some general info.

38.2k · August 14, 2003

quote:
Brian, have you read *The Secret History* by Donna Tartt? It is set in that general area and involves a couple of murders, one of which is a college student whose disappearance caused a huge search. Tartt attended Bennington College.

Yeah, I found that the story had vapid characterization and artificial stylization

Actually, I had never heard of it. Looks interesting. Thanks for the heads up.

"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day" - Dave Barry

2.1k · August 14, 2003

Pretty cool info Brian...finally realized where Bennington was. We went there a few months back, probably more like 5 or 6. I remember there was a little snow left on the ground in some places. We drove over that way to route 9 and followed it all the way to Bennington from Brattleboro (Hwy 91). We then headed north from Bennington on Hwy 7 and were turned around a few miles up the road, which after just looking at the map would of been around Glastenbury Mtn! There were fire trucks blocking the Hwy and a dozen guys turning traffic around. The traffic was scarce and we couldn't see anything up ahead. Now you are freaking me out man!

Here's a picture of that same day of my son just off route 7 near Bennington.

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

August 14, 2003

Originally posted by BrianSnat:
It seems that in some regions FTF's are a big deal. People apparently have programs that will alert them to a new cache and leaving the house at 2 am to bag it isn't unheard of.

Being first adds a little excitement to the game if you have the time. In my neck of the woods there are 4 or 5 "regulars" who tend to be the first. I've done several where I was fourth or fifth to find but first to log. And just for fun I point it out in the log. There doesn't seem to be a trend to not attempt a find just because you won't be first. It ain't no big deal, like someone said said before "it's just a game".

When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!

August 14, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by flask:
... all their FF's in every log really bother me. but i wonder how lame his other FF's are?

please don't think it's because i'm jealous of all his FF's. i assure you that my credentials as a FFWhore are in order. i just don't keep track of them.

So, precisely how many are you not keeping track of?

August 14, 2003

But I'd say it was pretty cheesey.

He may very well not have seen him hide it, but did he get the coord's or start looking before it was available to everyone else?

BTW. I know exactly how many FTF's I have.

I hope that someday we will be able to put away

our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people.

August 14, 2003

I'm boycotting that cache because its in Vermont and any state that has a V in its name I'm boycotting. BTW its good to tell people your boycotting a cache, and then try and blow it off like it was no big deal in the first place lol

38.2k · August 14, 2003

I'm boycotting all caches of anybody who boycots caches.

"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day" - Dave Barry

August 14, 2003

I like to be first to find, especially if there is a cool first finders prize but I am way to busy to be too concerned about it. If I was I would just set myself up for disappointment. A couple of months ago I hid a cache on a camping trip and was joined a day later by my brother who also geocaches. I gave him the coordinates so that he could find it and give me some feedback on the hide. He decided, however, not to log the find, nor did he sign the logbook because I had not yet submitted the cache and so no one else in the world knew about it. In my opinion, if you are going to crow about a FTF, you should not have any coordinates available to you until the general public also has them. Since it is not obvious from Squealy's log that s/he had any real advanced notice of the coordinates of the cache then I am going to think of it as a "good" FTF and give them both the benefit of the doubt. The map on the cache page will give you the general area of a cache so scouting the area is not a big help in my book unless there is only one place that a cache could ever be and since I have seen some pretty creative hides I doubt any wooded area will meet that criteria.

2.3k · August 14, 2003

Brian - Great story!

And I still contend you have too much time on your hands!!! And my lawn still needs mowing!

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August 14, 2003

woah Brian provides free lawn service now?? man I just mowed mine yesterday..

August 14, 2003

4.7k · August 14, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Mark 42:
So, precisely how many are you not keeping track of? http://www.maximum-suzuki.com/ibf/html/emoticons/bash.gif

i don't know. i'd have to count. it's my habit to jump in the car at oh-darkthirty to attempt a FF on any cache within a 70 mile radius of my house. sometimes i get it, sometimes i don't. if i get there after wheel15, i get one of brenda's rocks. you have to get there RIGHT after them though, because people will race you for one of those.

anyway, it's not a firm boycott, and i'm not all broke up about it. do you ever see something that makes you want to rant, but you have to find people who understand what the heck you're talking about?

i'm done ranting, and i feel all better now.

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2.1k · August 14, 2003

quote:
do you ever see something that makes you want to rant, but you have to find people who understand what the heck you're talking about?

Me? NEVER!

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

August 14, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by pnew:
woah Brian provides free lawn service now??

I think you have to hide some caches in your yard first. Use the new fake rock containers, they're easy to find with a lawn mower.

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August 14, 2003

FIRST, I'm a GIRL...

Second. Yes, Squealy bought the ammo can and supplies -- it was a thank you gift for inviting him to stay the week for a big caching excursion.

We went to the woods together.

I went BACK and found a unique spot where we HADN'T been and I hid the cache. I checked geocaching.com a few times and when it was up I said, "Hey, my cache is up."

Considering that we live THREE HUNDRED miles from each other, it's rare that he even has a SHOT at being the first finder of one of mine.

The fact that someone actually created a post about this is absurd. I don't know why I even started reading the forums, all they do is turn me off to geocachers who feel the need to be rotten all the time.

I plant a cool cache, my friend from far away finds it, and all I get is sh*t?!

You want to boycott my cache? Go ahead. Do you think I care? It's not like I make money off of people finding it. I put it out there so that people can find a really cool place in the woods they might not know about... not so that I can get off on how many people went to it. So, sit at home and write in the forums... save yourself the trip to Shaftsbury, it's really no skin off my back.

And before you write back telling me it's obviously skin off my back seeing as how I took the time to reply, let me clear a few things up: a.) I've already been there, so you're the only one missing out b.) boycotting caches is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of and c.) why didn't you just write to ME and ask if there was foul play instead of posting it in a forum?

To those who stuck up for me, thanks -- good to know not everyone out there is bitter just because they can't be first finder.

Do me a favor, Flask... boycott my other caches, too.

it's the freakin' weekend, baby, I'm about to have me some fun...

August 14, 2003

Wow - next time I am invited up, I should bring 5 ammo cans as a thank you.

FTF - being as I am just a newbie, I THOUGHT you were supposed to log in that you were first to find. How many do I have...

Ummm, actually, not sure. Someone with nothing better to do want to check that for me?

See new signature:

it's the freakin' weekend, baby, I'm about to have me some fun...

August 14, 2003

I am boycotting these people's computer, it didn't log out Cz314! Or maybe, she did it for me? Sorry for the duplicate post.

Wow - next time I am invited up, I should bring 5 ammo cans as a thank you.

FTF - being as I am just a newbie, I THOUGHT you were supposed to log in that you were first to find. How many do I have...

Ummm, actually, not sure. Someone with nothing better to do want to check that for me?

See new signature:

Shut up and cache!

1.2k · August 14, 2003

Yup, once again, please insert foot firmly into mouth, chew vigorously....

ROFLMAO!!

"Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life.

August 14, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Cannonlaw:
He decided, however, not to log the find, nor did he sign the logbook because I had not yet submitted the cache and so no one else in the world knew about it. In my opinion, if you are going to crow about a FTF, you should not have any coordinates available to you until the general public also has them. Since it is not obvious from Squealy's log that s/he had any real advanced notice of the coordinates of the cache then I am going to think of it as a "good" FTF and give them both the benefit of the doubt. The map on the cache page will give you the general area of a cache so scouting the area is not a big help in my book unless there is only one place that a cache could ever be and since I have seen some pretty creative hides I doubt any wooded area will meet that criteria.

Some good points and some further thoughts on them:

Doesn't scouting the area imply looking for those creative hiding spots?

The cache in question (GCGMTW) did not appear on the public post until the late on the night of the day the FF was logged. I was watching since I too am an FFW. I could not have raced for the FF anyway since I had to work early on the morning after the actual post.

As to Squealy's newbie claim, didn't I see 150 finds listed on your post?

It's only a game - so it works much better if we play fairly.

[This message was edited by crashco on August 14, 2003 at 08:24 PM.]

1.3k · August 14, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by BrianSnat:
In other areas, like NJ, nobody seems to think it's such a big deal. That's might be because as Skully & M said, BP is the FTF of about 90 percent of area caches and Stayfloopy gets the other 10 percent. Personally, I really don't care if I'm the FTF, or the 50th.

First is fun, but not always worth waking up at 6am for.

August 14, 2003

This here thread seems to be much ado about little poo.

That Quack Cacher:

Lone Duck

When you don't know where you're going, every road will take you there.

August 14, 2003

That's not as bad as this one hid and found by the same person.

August 14, 2003

hahahahaha, thats too funny.

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3.8k · August 14, 2003

Sheeesh!!

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5.7k · August 14, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by TheWidget:
That's not as bad as this one hid and found by the same person.

Well, when you are Jeckle n Hyde, Hyde might be the hider and Jeckle might be the finder. Or maybe the guy is like that guy in Memento...

--Marky

"All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer with a backlit GPSr"

3.8k · August 14, 2003

Does anybody know what time it is?.......Does anybody really care?

==============="If it feels good...do it"================

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38.2k · August 15, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by TheWidget:
That's not as bad as this one hid and found by the same person.

Now THAT log is funny!

"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day" - Dave Barry

August 15, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by TheWidget:
That's not as bad as this one hid and found by the same person.

I came real close to logging a find on that cache after reading it, but he/they're a nooby.

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August 15, 2003

Instead of boycotting it, go find it and claim FTF for a cacher that didn't help place it.

It's interesting that FTFs are a big deal in some communities and not in others. And within the community there are some to whom it is important and others just don't care.

4.7k · August 15, 2003

i'm not really boycotting it. neither am i jumping in my car to get it. if i'm in the neighborhood, i may drop by.

we do have a little band of FFW's here in my neighborhood, but we don't mind finding it later. it's really spiffy to get the FF prizes that are going into a lot of them, but on the other hand, it's also much sought-after to get there just after wheel15, which is harder by far than a FF.

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August 15, 2003

This is getting ridiculous.

it's the freakin' weekend, baby, I'm about to have me some fun...

August 15, 2003

quote:
any state that has a V in its name I'm boycotting

I guess that means no trip to Vegas for you.

1.8k · August 15, 2003

Shrug. Just like ''Found'' and ''Not Found'', ''First to Find'' is up to the finder, subject to the cache owner's veto.

For example, when I found Phatboyz Creepy Creek Cache, there were signatures of two muggles who had found the cache first. This wasn't surprising, considering the location. As I was the first geocacher to find it, I'm counting it on my First Finds list.

WWJD? JW RTFM.

August 15, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by TheWidget:
That's not as bad as this one by the same person.

It looks like they deleted it

quote:
Do you ever see something that makes you want to rant, but you have to find people who understand what the heck you're talking about?

What? Huh?

"I'm not Responsible... just ask my wife, She'll confirm it"

i think i'm boycotting this cache...

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