Makes me ill to ask...

5.9k · March 7, 2003

Through a good deal of legal BS, we're getting a new bridge across the Narrows on Puget Sound. I wanted to create a cache to document, photographically, the construction and the changes in the landscape. My idea is to have the finders go to a certain set of coordinates, face a certain compass heading, and take a picture to log it as found.

Questions:

1. Is this a (gasp…gag) virtual?

2. Is it too restrictive?

3. Should I place a micro at the spot for those w/o a digital camera?

4. Should I seek psychiatric treatment?

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3.5k · March 7, 2003

A virtual. I like the idea. You should add a historic photo of Gertie as she Galloped the the cache page to give it historic significance.

1.7k · March 7, 2003

The answer is: yes ?

DustyJacket

...If life was fair, a banana split would cure cancer.

24.7k · March 7, 2003

Well now, you seem to have hit upon a locationless cache with a specific location.

It's not really a virtual, it's certainly not traditional. I'm not even sure it fits enough rules so they could be bent for the cache.

What you have is a virtual locationless cache.

Wherever you go there you are.

3.5k · March 7, 2003

No. It will have specific coordinates, therefore it is not locationless. You use your GPS to find the location rather than find a location and logging coordinates. It is virtual. You could also call it a stationary photographers cache.

5.9k · March 7, 2003

But is it too restrictive? I am considering an east side and west side spot, two caches or "find" each for a single credit?

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24.7k · March 7, 2003

I'll go with EraSeek. It's a photographers cache, which is more virtual than anything else. No it's not too restricive. "Take a photo of the bridge" Not to hard I think.

Wherever you go there you are.

1.5k · March 7, 2003

Does everything have to be a cache? Sheesh!

5k · March 7, 2003

Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think it's a cache.

Sure, I'd like to see the progress of the bridge. It's wonderful documentation, but not a geocache in my mind.

I'd like to document the meandering of the Mississippi River, but it's not a cache.

Jamie

March 7, 2003

where you place a true cache at the first set of co-ords (say, the east side), with intructions indicating where the second location needs to be, and the bearing from which to take the pic (and even goodies if you wanna drop the virtual aspect - ie galloping gerdy memorabelia, whatever, like say a history of the original bridge attached to a silver ring...)

and then instructions in the second cache indicating bearing for the second shot, maybe the goodies go in this one...

make for a good historical cache.

and the seeker uploads the pics, providing a history...

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hey... what's that smell?

1.4k · March 7, 2003

I think this is a very interesting type of cache -- and the resulting effort will make for a terrific final pictorial history. I'll follow the progress and I'm certainly my kids would find it interesting as well.

Perhaps, if it's possible, place a physical cache on the way to or at the photo location and ask that the logbook be signed as well as a picture be submitted to the website. If anyone doesn't have a digital camera, they can use a disposable camera that you leave in the cache.

If placing a cache large enough to contain a logbook and camera is not possible, do it as a virtual -- I'd bet that you'd get a lot of people watching and doing it with great interest.

And regarding this silly argument about physical vs virtual caches... sometimes the view and creativity of the cache placer is the real treasure.

I'd happily do this cache.

March 8, 2003

No offense, Criminal, but i don't think that has anything to do with geocaching at all. I think you're just looking for excuses to push the envelope here.

March 8, 2003

Go for it!

We have a cache in our area thats near a bridge they'll be building in the next couple of years. When I logged it, i suggested people put progress photos when they find it........but the actual contstruction of the bridge wont start for another year or so. Here it is.....Wakota View

The cache is actually set up on a walking path that goes along the river, so the cache is about 1/2 mile away from the bridge, but you have to park at the bridge to do the trail. Perhaps if you could find a park with a view of the bridge, you could have a traditional cache. Otherwise, i dont have a problem with a virtual caches. I think it would be fun to follow the progress of the bridge......

Children are natural mimics who act like their parents despite every effort to teach them good manners.

March 8, 2003

Go for it...the two sides/views of it also a good idea..Could be a new Cache Category ..a ball of worms that would be....Just joking...please really...cache yes, category no...R

Without your brain, a map is a piece of coloured paper, a compass is a glorified magnet, and a GPS is a waterproof battery case." " FSAR "

March 8, 2003

and YES, please do it! It sounds really cool!

This is the kind of thing that virtuals were meant for.

March 8, 2003

I was thinking it might be too restrictive as it will require the cacher to own a digital camera but then I remember a virtual cache that started near me called the Pennsylvania NGS Benchmark Recovery Cache GC3241 and to verify your find you have to attach a photo of the benchmark. It's been operating quite nicely for the year plus that I have been checking out local caches. So, no it's not too restrictive. Your cache will be just like the benchmark cache and those on islands that require a boat to get there and those underwater that requires other gear. Go for it. I would enjoy seeing the photos so maybe you could post the site here when you set it up.

March 8, 2003

Why not hide a real cache with log book and a disposable camera. Tell people to take pictures of the construction with the camera in the cache (instead of themselves as usual) and indicate that they call also take their own pictures if desired and uploaded to the cache page?

Groover

March 8, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Groover:
Why not hide a real cache with log book and a disposable camera. Tell people to take pictures of the construction with the camera in the cache (instead of themselves as usual) and indicate that they call also take their own pictures if desired and uploaded to the cache page?

Groover

Groover's got the best idea, I think.

March 8, 2003

Criminal you already have a webpage.

Why not seperate this project from

geocaching and occasionally bump

this thread up to get people to update

photos for you to place on a seperate

web space ? Even though it may not be

a geocache many here would like to see

the photos.The gps coords would help

insure that everyone was capturing

images from the same angle.

Seatrout

5.9k · March 8, 2003

I’m leaning towards a small cache container with instructions about where to stand and what bearing to face for the photo. Any finders could log it, photo or not. If it goes unfound for a few weeks, or a major change occurs in the construction, I will post a note w/photo myself. I am not in love with the disposable camera idea, even though it’s good. As for my web page, I only get five megs and that would be gone in a couple weeks. I’m looking at moving my site now, and have posted to this forum for more info on good/cheap hosting sites. But the bridge project isn’t going to wait; it’s well underway with the tree clearing this week.

Thanks to all.

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March 8, 2003

I agree with Orgeone's comment, a Geocache is well.... a Geocache. It's something that you hide and someone else finds using a GPS receiver. Use the bridge location, it's a great place for a cache. If you want people to notice certain things, create waypoints for a multi (how many support towers? etc.) Nothing wrong with documenting the bridge construction but a web site might work better for that.

Charlie Trail Duster -

If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.

March 8, 2003

I was battling to not post a message here but I can't resist giving my 2c!

Does every second person think they are the cache police?!??!! If someone wants to place a virual let them. I think this is a great idea. If you don't then don't do it. If you don't have a digital camera then don't do it, or get the film developed at a place that puts the pics on-line or on CD for you. Sheez, get a life!!!!!!! Is there not more important things to worry about than trying to be the cache police?

RobertM!

March 8, 2003

Make a real physical cache and ask folks to log a digital picture of the construction from (near) that cache site ?

You could also modify the terms of your Galloping Gertie cache I suppose too.

Either gets you into a 'real' cache mode, so it should be approved.

I'd sure do it, Gertie's one of my faves :-)

1.1k · March 8, 2003

It "IS" too restrictive in my opinion if it is a virtual (great idea though) and people have to take it with their own camera (fact is, most people do not have digital cameras and most people do not get film developed on a regular basis). Best thing to do is to put a disposable camera into a physical cache container that is close to the point where the picture should be taken. Or even have it part of a multi-cache, with the cache container further away and the requirment is (if it is the first person of the day) to take the camera and take a pic at a set coordinates and then return the camera...just incase you can not place a physical as close as you would like to where the pic should be taken.

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March 9, 2003

I like the idea.

I've done one that was similar (sort of). The posted coordinates took you to a cache that contained two cameras. Each had a photo and a map attached. The object of the hunt was to follow the map to several stone bridges (they are beautiful), find the location where the photo was taken, take a photo of yourself at that location with the camera, and return the camera to the original cache location.

It combined a real, mutli, and virtual cache into one.

You can check it out here.

geospotter

March 9, 2003

I think everyone has fail to see the real question here,that being Should you seek psychiatric treatment?,probally but then so should I,any way it sounds like a great idea,wish i was there to help document the bridge with ya'all

reality is only a concept for people without a GPS

March 9, 2003

Not to restrictive. You dont have to own a digital camera to log it and if you dont get your film developed that often I dont see where that is the cache hiders problem. If you want to log the cache you will just have to do like every other cache and follow the rules for logging set by the cache hider. Some interesting history associated with that crossing!

Take a look here!

3k · March 9, 2003

I also like groover's idea of placing a cache somewhere there, and don't make the photo requirement, make it a request. I'd like to see the progress.

Cache you later,

Planet

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5.9k · March 10, 2003

My issue with a disposable camera is that the photos can get all out of sequence. I have to wait until the camera is full, develop, and then try to get them all in the right order. Not a big deal but...

I’m having trouble finding a location right now. I need to find a spot that offers some sort of grand overview, and that spot must not change or become inaccessible. For the first few months at least, changes will be minor and at times unnoticeable.

That’s where this project is right now. A small cache container with a logbook, requirement to log (in the book and/or online) a description of how it looks, option of shooting a digital photo from a specified location in a specified direction, take/leave items. That way I keep with my prejudice against virtuals intact and get approval.

http://fp1.centurytel.net/Criminal_Page/

5k · March 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Criminal:
My issue with a disposable camera is that the photos can get all out of sequence. I have to wait until the camera is full, develop, and then try to get them all in the right order.

Ummmm... huh?

Film is sequential. They will, without fail, be in chronological order. When you get them developed, the prints should be in order, as well.

And there is no reason to wait until the camera is full to develop it. Yeah, your cost per print is slightly more, but really, the cost is negligible.

Jamie

5.9k · March 10, 2003

Well of course the pictures will be in order, the order that they were taken in. That may not be in the same order that the cache is found, some people may not use the camera because they have one of their own.

When you read the logs on the site, they will be in (reverse) order; the digital pictures that accompany them will be in that same order. If I throw a film camera in the mix, I would have to scan and then email the picture to the finder and ask them to add it to their log. I could just add them to the cache page but that would make the chronology intermittent.

http://fp1.centurytel.net/Criminal_Page/

March 10, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jomarac5:
I think this is a very interesting type of cache -- and the resulting effort will make for a terrific final pictorial history. I'll follow the progress and I'm certainly my kids would find it interesting as well.

Perhaps, if it's possible, place a physical cache on the way to or at the photo location and ask that the logbook be signed as well as a picture be submitted to the website. If anyone doesn't have a digital camera, they can use a disposable camera that you leave in the cache.

If placing a cache large enough to contain a logbook and camera is not possible, do it as a virtual -- I'd bet that you'd get a lot of people watching and doing it with great interest.

And regarding this silly argument about physical vs virtual caches... sometimes the view and creativity of the cache placer is the real treasure.

I'd happily do this cache.

If the area won't allow for a regular cache then Virtual is the way to go. I am quoting Jomarac5 because he/she expressed it better than I can.

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