ALL ABOUT THE TROJAN'S HORSE, THE PIRATE'S PLANK, AND THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST THE FROG

[+canadazuuk]

I was trying to piece together all the controversial threads and topics from the last month or so, and see if they are all inter-related somehow.

 

My theory is that many of the threads have been started with a similar purpose. They are like a trojan horse. They appear as a gift, yet turn out as an attack.

 

The thread will centre on a particular topic, but is really intended to bring out other issues along the way. Seems that some folks just can't say why they are so discontent with this site, so they try to bring it out through a myriad of responses and tangents that evolve out of their trojan horse thread.

 

Tell me I'm off my rocker if you will, but there are threads alive right now that fit this category.

 

(TITLE EDITED A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND A COUPLE TIMES MORE. CONTENT AS ORIGINALLY POSTED.)

 

[This message was edited by canadazuuk on September 27, 2003 at 06:41 PM.]

[+Xitron]

You're off your rocker, no one ever goes off topic here.

[+canadazuuk]

It's not specifically 'off-topic', it's more like bringing out the hidden agenda...

 

The hidden agenda was there already, just hidden, waiting to be brought out...

[+El Diablo]

Examples would be...

 

El Diablo

 

Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse.

http://www.geo-hikingstick.com

[+Brian - Team A.I.]

I think canadazuuk is feeling left out that he hasn't been accused of being a pirate yet. I mean, he did take that self-initiated hiatus from geocaching for a little while. He could have used that time to plan some cache plundering.

 

Brian

Team A.I.

[+canadazuuk]

And it's not limited to the thread starter either... the seeds of malcontent have been sewn by responders as well... just little pokes here and there that seek to undermind some part of this site's structure and organization

[+Confucius' Cat]

Alakazam!

 

Everything turns into guns, religion, and homophobia.

 

"Freedom is a two-way street."

GDAE, Dave

[Pantalaimon]

Would it be possible to give us an example of what you mean without seemingly attacking someone specific?

 

Or, in the alternative, if possible you can use me as an example, AND I give you permission to attack me in the process if necessary.

 

Pan

 

Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate, ***hole. - Unknown

[+canadazuuk]

No thanks, but thank you anyway.

 

Or should I be puzzled?

[Pantalaimon]

So... no specific example?

 

Pan

 

Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate, ***hole. - Unknown

[+El Diablo]

Could it just be that we are a very diverse group of individuals with very different opinions to any given topic?

 

Or maybe it's like me...my wife is out of town for a week. So I have nothing to do at night but drink beer and read the fourms.

After a couple of beers I bang out sensless and useless opinions on my keyboard.

 

Either way I don't see the conspiracy you seem to be after here.

 

El Diablo

 

Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse.

http://www.geo-hikingstick.com

[+canadazuuk]

Admin integrity

Site direction

Site features

Open databases

Game variations

[+El Diablo]

and Humpty Dumpty was pushed!

 

El Diablo

 

Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse.

http://www.geo-hikingstick.com

[+Xitron]

Hey El Diablo you sound alot like me except for one thing. I'm not married so my wife is always out of town lol.

[+canadazuuk]

Well, Santa and Satan are spelled quite similarly too...

 

Who is Humty Dumpty?

[+El Diablo]

quote:

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Originally posted by canadazuuk:

Well, Santa and Satan are spelled quite similarly too...

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Another conspiracy? Notice that conspiracy and piracy are also similar?

 

El Diablo

 

Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse.

http://www.geo-hikingstick.com

[+canadazuuk]

And that the acts performed by a pirate are cons

 

Or, there are too many cons in the piracy movement

[+El Diablo]

quote:

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Originally posted by canadazuuk:

And that the acts performed by a pirate are cons

 

Or, there are too many cons in the piracy movement

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I haven't seen anything positive about it yet...and believe me I've looked for it. I would love a new twist to the game... but that was done all wrong. Had it been approached in the right way...it might have been something good and different.

 

El Diablo

 

Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse.

http://www.geo-hikingstick.com

[Spike440]

I don't know about conspiracies, but as a person new to this site and geocaching, I can say that the attitudes I see here on about every subject don't help the site, or the activity.

 

I frequent many newsgroups, and this has by far the most bickering.

 

I bet I'm not the first new member to get the sense that geocachers aren't very friendly, just the maybe the first to post about it. Or not.

 

Just my first impression. Sorry.

[+Kealia]

Spike440,

 

Just the opposite. This group loves what we do and we feel very strongly about it. You have joined at a time when there are many heated debates going on.

 

If you need help, or just a welcome to the game, you will get more responses than you know what to do with. This is a great group of people.

 

Don't let the recent topics and heated discussions be the standard by which you measure all geocachers

 

And welcome to the game!

[+Xitron]

Nah spike we may bicker alot but we all enjoy the same thing, getting outside and visiting new places we otherwise would never visit. I can be pretty tactless at times and I'm sure it will happen again, but I respect almost everyone here and welcome anyone new to the hunt. So take all my posts with a grain or 2 of salt and I welcome you to the community.

Quick edit , my name is Gruffy for a reason lol.

[+Renegade Knight]

quote:

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Originally posted by Xitron:

...I can be pretty tactless at times and I'm sure it will happen again...

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No!

[+Xitron]

Yes sadly RK some people have taken some of my comments the wrong way, and I wouldn't want a new forum member to think I represent the general forum. I bet neither does Jeremy lol.

However I am now trying to think before I speak and doing the reread the post before I hit the button. I've been hitting the delete key alot this week. This is the kinder gentler xitron.....not sure how long it will last though.

[+New England n00b]

quote:

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Nah spike we may bicker alot but we all enjoy the same thing, getting outside and visiting new places we otherwise would never visit. I can be pretty tactless at times and I'm sure it will happen again, but I respect almost everyone here and welcome anyone new to the hunt. So take all my posts with a grain or 2 of salt and I welcome you to the community.

Quick edit , my name is Gruffy for a reason lol.

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quote:

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Just the opposite. This group loves what we do and we feel very strongly about it. You have joined at a time when there are many heated debates going on.

 

If you need help, or just a welcome to the game, you will get more responses than you know what to do with. This is a great group of people.

 

Don't let the recent topics and heated discussions be the standard by which you measure all geocachers

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As a n00b, I have to agree - The bickering I see seems more like passion...

 

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Don't hurt me. I'm new here.

[martmann]

quote:

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Originally posted by ChurchCampDave:

Alakazam!

 

Everything turns into guns, religion, and homophobia.

 

_"Freedom is a two-way street."_

GDAE, Dave

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So we shouldn't be afraid of heavily armed, homosexual, religious zealots?

 

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[GeoVet]

quote:

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Originally posted by Spike440:

I don't know about conspiracies, but as a person new to this site and geocaching, I can say that the attitudes I see here on about every subject don't help the site, or the activity.

 

I frequent many newsgroups, and this has by far the most bickering.

 

I bet I'm not the first new member to get the sense that geocachers aren't very friendly, just the maybe the first to post about it. Or not.

 

Just my first impression. Sorry.

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Spike, welcome to the sport! Don't judge geocaching / geocachers by the messages here. Most cachers rarely post anyway. If you notice the player to poster ratio you'll see that a relatively small group of hard core posters dominate discussion boards and thus have a narrower sample of opinions (albeit strongly held). The vast unwashed masses of us merely lurk, smile, and then actually go caching. Hope you enjoy the game as much as we do.

 

If there is a pole at the North Pole, I bet there's some dead explorer guy with his tongue stuck to it.

[+canadazuuk]

Are you all trying to have my thread closed?

 

[GeoVet]

quote:

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Originally posted by canadazuuk:

Are you all trying to have my thread closed?

 

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Zuuk, Methinks thou art a wee paranoid. Glad you're back Zuuk. You are one of the colorful characters that make these boards so much fun to read. There are no conspiracies, that I know of, and no one is trying to shut you down. There are growing pains and yes malcontents. This is a free and open exchange with lots of room for every stripe. I also applaud your self-control by self-exile. That some kind of Zen thing?

 

If there is a pole at the North Pole, I bet there's some dead explorer guy with his tongue stuck to it.

[BassoonPilot]

quote:

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Originally posted by martmann:

 

So we shouldn't be afraid of heavily armed, homosexual, religious zealots?

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It depends on whether or not they:

1. Criticize (warranted or unwarranted, constructive or unhelpful; no difference) the admins.

2. Go off topic.

3. Pirate caches.

4. Ride motorcycles? (If this reference seems oblique, ask Criminal.)

[+StarshipTrooper]

Interesting theory, Zuuk. Easy to think about, but hard to explain.

 

BTW, everyone - I don't think Zuuk actually pointed at conspiracy. Just a common event.

 

"...clear as mud?"

[+StarshipTrooper]

quote:

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Originally posted by martmann:

quote:

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Originally posted by ChurchCampDave:

Alakazam!

 

Everything turns into guns, religion, and homophobia.

 

_"Freedom is a two-way street."_

GDAE, Dave

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So we shouldn't be afraid of heavily armed, homosexual, religious zealots?

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Martman, how 'bout two out of three?

http://www.pinkpistols.org/

 

"...clear as mud?"

[+canadazuuk]

It's general and specific, all at the same time. Can I put my finger on it exactly? No.

[Jomarac5]

Everything is a conspiracy.

 

It's all part of the master plan.

 

Because you can't put your finger on it, proves that it's extremely evil.

 

*****

[+canadazuuk]

The ground shook as the giant proceeded across the park. 'It's only a matter of time before we're all giants!'

 

It's a mighty fine day to cache, unless you have to sleep.

 

Bring on the geocache nightmare...

[Jomarac5]

Maybe you should stop worrying about pirates, giants, and fairy tales.

 

Go find something.

 

*****

[Jomarac5]

Wow. That's deep.

 

I can feel the ground shaking here.

 

Are you off your meds again Zuuk?

 

*****

[+canadazuuk]

It's so deep, there was an echo, a reverberation, a thunderous reply from the hollows below...

[Jomarac5]

quote:

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It's so deep, there was an echo, a reverberation, a thunderous reply from the hollows below...

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Hello... hello.... hello..... hello......

 

I can hear the echo from here.

 

What's that? I thought I heard something.

 

Must be the wind.

 

*****

[+canadazuuk]

Feel welcome to discuss the topic at hand J5!

 

The topic is (loosely) about trojan horse threads, and the general inter-relation of the controversies of late.

[Jomarac5]

quote:

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The topic is (loosely) about trojan horse threads, and the general inter-relation of the controversies of late.

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I thought I was on topic.

 

But apparently I'm not -- perhaps you could explain exactly what the topic is and shed some light on this trojan horse thread theory.

 

If you're more specific, perhaps a specific reply could be presented.

 

*****

[Jomarac5]

Double post (again).

 

Why are my posts being posted twice when the 'Post Now' button is only pushed once?

 

Must be part of the conspiracy.

 

Nice new avatar Zuuk.

 

*****

[+Breaktrack]

I'm not sure, but I think I have an inkling of what Zuuk is talking about. It does seem there have been more than the usual amount of controversy lately. Perhaps he is wondering if a certain group of people, maybe not even an organized group (or maybe so) has been stirring things up a bit on purpose?

 

I'm not sure that is the case, or if it's just a coincidence, but it does seem to be so if you really take a look at the broad spectrum of posts and topics that have been going on the past few weeks actually.

 

First everyone pushing the limits of the rules with regards to topics, and posts to those topics, then the backlash by the admins to try to get things back on an even keel. After that the tremendous griping about the backlash and threads being closed, posts being modified, etc.

 

This was followed, of course, by the complaining about the admins in every shape and form, but done very slyly, a bit here and a bit there, nothing over the top. Then out and out attacks in the form of *Should Admins Approve Their Own Cache*, and others, that started questioning things that were really not that important, but if taken the wrong way could be controversial.

 

But no, surely there can't be anything to what Zuuk is saying, right? And all coinciding with some folks deciding it's a great time to *Pirate* caches? Or at the same time some people decide to start a new page where *disgruntled* cachers can come to be *free* of gc.com's overwhelming censorship? Hmmmmmmmm?

 

C'mon, I'm sure there is nothing to it.

 

"Afghanistan was a battle. Iraq was a battle. The war goes on."

[+wimseyguy]

quote:

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So we shouldn't be afraid of heavily armed, homosexual, religious zealots?

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No, and you may also Nuke the Gay Whales!

 

These changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes;

Nothing remains quite the same.

Through all of the islands and all of the highlands,

If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane

[+SamLowrey]

quote:

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Originally posted by canadazuuk:

<something>

 

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It is hard to read your post when I want to look at your avatar. Is this some sort of plot to bring the forum down?

[+Brian - Team A.I.]

I'm having trouble getting past zuuk's new avatar. It's inhibiting my ability to post about anything but it.

 

Brian

Team A.I.

[+Prime Suspect]

People who have an axe to grind generally will never let an opportunity go by to express their opinion. This is nothing new, so I'm surprised anyone would even start this topic. It pretty much comes under the "well, duh!" category.

 

"Don't mess with a geocacher. We know all the best places to hide a body."

[+canadazuuk]

That goes without saying. But it's more uh, subliminal isn't the word, but it's more along those lines. It's like a collective approach to bringing out the context... through little bits and bytes, here and there...

[Jomarac5]

quote:

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Zuuk wrote:

It's like a collective approach to bringing out the context...

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Like, uh, um... the Borg?

 

*****

[+Prime Suspect]

quote:

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Originally posted by Brian - Team A.I.:

I'm having trouble getting past zuuk's new avatar. It's inhibiting my ability to post about anything but it.

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Maybe this will help:

 

 

"Don't mess with a geocacher. We know all the best places to hide a body."

[Goldguru]

you look kinda pretty dressed that way Zuuk.......