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quote:
Originally posted by pnew:

Jeremy can you just tell us who they are? two caches in Houston were pirated 3 weeks ago by a guy who calls himself the exterminator. He hit two caches within 2 miles of each but both caches were owned by the same team. Who is it? who is it?


 

I don't know *every* pirate. The best way to start locating a pirate is to email contact@geocaching.com with any information and logs entries that you know of. We've quietly reacted to many pirates in the past, and we've gotten better at it. Most of them aren't very smart.

 

For example, there was one "pirate" who we contacted their mom about. She wasn't very happy.

 

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Originally posted by ju66l3r:

Congratulations, Jeremy, I think you've brought us all back to 1692 (and Salem is only a stone's throw away from my apartment!).

 

It's comical to watch everyone who gets really upset about these things, since when it is done correctly there's little difference between a "pirated cache" and a "multi-cache" AND the prize is bigger (and there's still "booty" for the kids). I think the original piratecaching.com pirate went far out of their way to make it something that could be enjoyable, temporary, and a fun surprise when you went out geocaching for the day. Anyone who wasn't following those guidelines was no better than the people who don't even know what geocaching is but take the whole cache when they stumble onto it. They were not pirates, they were plunderers and they have always been shunned by the sport, since they actually destroy the cache.

 

Disclaimer: I am not a pirate, but more of a sympathizer. I think that creativity is a virtue and that some people really just need to chill out about a box of toys in the woods.


 

If I want a surprise, I'll go after mystery caches. If I place a geocache, I wan't it left where I placed it. I have to drive a long ways to get to a geocache I haven't found and I don't want unexpected surprises.

 

If there intentions were truly honorable - there is no reason to hide in anonymity. If what Jeremy says is true, and I doubt seriously that he would make such a bold statement without proof, then these people have been pirating and possibly arguing against the pirate on the forums. That's hypocritical, to say the least. I doubt they had any honorable intentions - they knew that copycats would likely not follow the rules. It all seems a carefully planned attack on forum members who have different views than the pirates.

 

BrianSnat is an opinionated guy (I mostly agree with them, but not always) so it's logical that he'd make some 'enemies'. This seems like a stab at BS and other vocal forum users. It also is probably a stab at the geocaching.com admin.

 

It is sad.

 

It's also not about a 'box full of toys in the woods'. It's about trust. It's about time and money spent placing the cache. It's also about expectations. I don't expect somebody to make up rules as we go.

 

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Add me to the private topic list as well. Way to go Jeremy! icon_biggrin.gif

 

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By the way, has anyone else noticed a few "regulars" that have not posted on this topic at all? Wonder if this means anything or just a hunch? hmmmm

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By the way, has anyone else noticed a few "regulars" that have not posted on this topic at all? Wonder if this means anything or just a hunch? hmmmm


 

I was wondering the same thing....

 

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What an asinine comment. It's comical for someone to justify the actions of a geocacher whose misguided intentions blow up in their face, creating a number of "copycats" who don't play by their "good" pirate rules.

 

It's ironical for someone to comment on the actions of others when he, himself, has setup the architecture for these misguided intentions to spawn these pirate games.

 

Blaming someone for their "copycats" gone evil is absurd. No one blaims you for navicache's listing of caches on NPS land, right?

 

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The last log in my plundered cache said "what kind of person would do such a thing?" It doesn't sound like he was having all that much fun. A log from another nearby cache that had been plundered by this bozo said "...This was the first time we ever seen this. The kids were disappointed.". Yep, sounds like they had a real blast.

 

If you're going to quote my lines, please read them first. I said anyone who takes logbooks and does not actually leave some goodies for children (if the person is not interested in looking for the original cache contents) is not a "pirate" (by the definition of piratecaching.com), they're a plunderer and ruin a perfectly good sidetrack. I do not agree with their actions, only with those outlined on the website.

 

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Ummm...if pirating is creative, then why can't those who would pirate be creative enough to place their own multi-cache? If you are saying there aren't enough multi-caches, why don't you place some yourself?


 

Who says they aren't? Besides, which is more creative: a completely new idea or another multi-cache? It's not a matter of how many multis..it's a matter of how interesting/intriguing. I'd rather be completely surprised by a pirate's note in a cache (WHEN DONE BY PC.com's RULES), than open just another tupperware container with a few McToys and a Where's George dollar.

 

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"If you're not with us, you're against us!" - The President of the United States Of America

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And by the way, your avatar looks an awful lot like this one:


 

The PotUS also said, "We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile."

 

It does doesn't it. Consider it an homage, but twisted. I've added the relevant link to where I got my avatar from in my signature now. It's pretty funny...Kealia might want to watch it.

 

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I added my name, but I almost went ahead and put it at the top...lol, I hate to be last.....

 

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Originally posted by The Cache Couple:

...By the way, has anyone else noticed a few "regulars" that have not posted on this topic at all? Wonder if this means anything or just a hunch? hmmmm


 

Be careful, now. I wouldn't read too much into that. Remember - not everyone checks in here every day, and this thread is actually very young.

 

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AS UMC noted earlier, apparently private topics are limited to 23 people. So perhaps several should be started with some cross over of people who will be authorized to cross post between threads?

 

Or, does the response here mean that perhaps it should just be public where anyone accused could get a chance to speak (seems fair)? Of course that might keep people from speaking as freely, could reinforce the pirate's actions, and will likely drive the moderators nuts! There is probably no correct answer to those questions, I just throw them out for thought .....

 

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Hmmm,

 

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Topic Tangent (i.e. don't respond or start a private thread with me, but since 2 people have commented, I thought I'd clear some air):

 

quote:
Originally posted by Kealia:

 

FYI - I'm just catching up but but to be clear, this is NOT me although the avatars are obviously close.


 

My avatar is no closer to your's than Criminal's finger to the dog's face is to Jeremy's (consider it homage). If anyone has confused the two, they need a lesson in reading comprehension. I saw a funny flash video today and it reminded me of your avatar, so I screen caught it. The novelty of it will probably wear off in a few days. In the meantime, I put the link to the funny flash video in my sig, in case you or anyone else wants to watch it.

 

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Originally posted by carleenp:

AS UMC noted earlier, apparently private topics are limited to 23 people. So perhaps several should be started with some cross over of people who will be authorized to cross post between threads?

 

Or, does the response here mean that perhaps it should just be public where anyone accused could get a chance to speak (seems fair)? Of course that might keep people from speaking as freely, could reinforce the pirate's actions, and will likely drive the moderators nuts! There is probably no correct answer to those questions, I just throw them out for thought .....

 

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I suspect it will leak out onto the public forums anyway, as that's how people work. Throwing accusations isn't going to solve anything, and it certainly won't find out the Final Truth regarding "who it is."

 

My suspicion is that the topic will merely be thrashed out in the public forums at the end.

 

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Good afternoon!

 

I do not need to join the private topic, but would like to go on record with a plea for that thread.

 

Please, when you are discussing remedies for piracy, please be clear on which proposed remedies belong with which activities. Remember that you have different groups of people with different agendas on these various activities. The pirates on piratecaching.com are different from pirates who do not follow their rules are different from vandalous geo-muggles are different from thoughtless cachers are different from . . . (you get the idea).

 

If you lump all of these together, any remedy you come up with will not change the behaviour you are trying to change.

 

Please also be specific in what you are trying to prevent. Generalizations such as "people messing with my cache" are not helpful. You have to define "messing with".

 

You also need to consider what the problems are by geographical region. The issues in AZ are likely not the same as the issues in BC are not the same as WA are not the same as NJ, etc. You might consider a private thread by region rather than a general one.

 

Please be thoughtful about what you are doing. I know your feelings and/or belongings are hurt. It is perfectly understandable. That should make you more careful to prevent hurting someone else unintentionally.

 

Good luck! I'm curious to see how it all comes out!

 

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Ooch, an' t'were just gettin' innerrestin' like, leastways in thisahere's wadders. Ye can castigate me, ifn it suits ye, herself thot t'were a funlike idear. Not like oive ackchully done t' deed meself, ye gots ta be sneeky-like fer that, an' truth be told, I be no good-like cacher like youse good peeples wit a passel o' booty ant'all.

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I was so angry when I found out taday that one of my caches disapeared. Now I find out it was done through my account. I know it was my roommate (Kevin Hall). I had an argument with him last week and now he has screwed with everything i'm into on the computor.

 

I went to lake Cushman for a few days to get away from the problems and now I come home to a complete mess. He screwed with everyone on Goecaching,he caused me problems on the Art Asylum boards, left nasty e-mails to playtrek, bid on a ton of stuff with my ebay account, He wrote my mom an e-mail stating that I was coming out of the closet and had a boyfriend.I have no idea what to do about it.I want he out of my house now!! but I just gave him his 30 day notice. Right now I am a angry nervous wreck. I've never had to deal with someone like this.

 

I,m so sorry to everyone about this. It is my own fault for leaving my passwords out.I need to go and change every password and account for everything.

 

If anyone has any good suggestion please let me know. Again I am so sorry about this. Troy Nelson

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Originally posted by charis_sophia:

The pirates on piratecaching.com are different from pirates who do not follow their rules are different from vandalous geo-muggles are different from thoughtless cachers are different from . . . (you get the idea).


 

I find no difference between activity at piratecaching.com and any other piracy. I believe most people are fired up about all forms of piracy, not just the "bad kind."

 

Frankly there is no active remedy. As before, people have said that pirates will go away if you ignore them. Now its gotten to the point where a contributor says "Hey! I got a bright idea! Let's become "pirates" and show them how to do it right."

 

They then create a web site with its sole identity to "pirate" caches. Forget the unintended consequences of legitimizing the activity and making it "cool" for copycats to do the same thing. Whoop tee do. What a great idea.

 

And worst off, the originator fails to step out behind their hiding spot and say "Hey! I'd be happy to justify my actions!" Instead he continues to hide behind fake domain registrations and stupid pirate names.

 

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And worst off, the originator fails to step out behind their hiding spot and say "Hey! I'd be happy to justify my actions!" Instead he continues to hide behind fake domain registrations and stupid pirate names.

 

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Not only that but they are now pirating peoples names from GC and posting under them over on their own site...this is going to add some messy repurcussions on some innocent people I am afraid

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Let's try that again.....

 

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quote:
Originally posted by woof & lulu:

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By the way, has anyone else noticed a few "regulars" that have not posted on this topic at all? Wonder if this means anything or just a hunch? hmmmm


 

I was wondering the same thing....

 

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That is how the witch hunts started...remember some people work for a living ....sheeeeeeeesh


 

Actually, I'm referring to people who normally post daily (during working hours) and are very vocally in support of the pirates. It is an interesting coincidence they're ALL busy. Of course some of them work and of course most of them are probably not involved.

 

Of course, starting a private topic about this is a lot more like a witch hunt than my comment icon_frown.gif

 

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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy (Admin):

I find no difference between activity at piratecaching.com and any other piracy. I believe most people are fired up about _all forms of piracy_, not just the "bad kind."


 

I respectfully think this is a mistake. I believe there will continue to be no remedy if you treat all the groups as the same with the same motivations. How can you set up disincentives if you aren't aiming at their motives?

 

By the way, I didn't intend to make any good or bad judgements on any of it. If you feel that everything that has been lumped anyuwhere under "pirating" or similar words needs a remedy, that's great. I am simply trying to suggest ideas for how you can be effective.

 

Good luck!

 

Peace be with you!

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quote:
Originally posted by woof & lulu:

Not only that but they are now pirating peoples names from GC and posting under them over on their own site...this is going to add some messy repurcussions on some innocent people I am afraid


I took a look over there and saw a post supposedly by Jomarac5. I saw some other names as well from here. I wouldn't trust any of those to be who they say they are.

 

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quote:
Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:

I took a look over there and saw a post supposedly by Jomarac5. I saw some other names as well from here. I wouldn't trust any of those to be who they say they are.


 

Absolutely right! The webmaster only put controls on that board a couple of evenings ago. The posts with more info under the name are likely more reliable. Everything earlier is suspect.

 

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quote:
Originally posted by ju66l3r:

 

Who says they aren't? Besides, which is more creative: a completely new idea or another multi-cache? It's not a matter of how many multis..it's a matter of how interesting/intriguing. I'd rather be completely surprised by a pirate's note in a cache (WHEN DONE BY PC.com's RULES), than open just another tupperware container with a few McToys and a Where's George dollar.


Don't fool yourself. This isn't a "completely new idea" by any stretch of the imagination. It's just a slight variation on what the "Cache Replacement Team" was doing a year or two back. Remember? (If not, check the archives.) The only difference is that they stayed a local problem, until they got bored and moved on.

 

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CT Trampers

WildGooseChase

The Cache Couple

southdeltan

Pluckers

Team Tecmage

Btouch

SirRalanN

mtn-man

Bull Moose

breaktrack

Sissy-n-CR

Mark 42

 

[This message was edited by Mark 42 on September 23, 2003 at 02:53 PM.]

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quote:
Originally posted by southdeltan:

 

quote:
Originally posted by woof & lulu:

 

EXCUSE ME...I did not ORIGINALLY post this...the cache couple did....I quoted them.

 

 

quote:

By the way, has anyone else noticed a few "regulars" that have not posted on this topic at all? Wonder if this means anything or just a hunch? hmmmm


 

 

I was wondering the same thing....

 

southdeltan

 

 

THIS was posted by me...lulu

 

That is how the witch hunts started...remember some people work for a living ....sheeeeeeeesh


 

Answer:

 

Actually, I'm referring to people who normally post daily (during working hours) and are very vocally in support of the pirates. It is an interesting coincidence they're ALL busy. Of course some of them work and of course most of them are probably not involved.

 

My answer:

 

You should have stated this when you posted the original statement to avoid confusion...

 

You said:

Of course, starting a private topic about this is a lot more like a witch hunt than my comment icon_frown.gif

 

I answer:

 

I do agree with this...that is why I did not ask to be on the list...

 

sd

 

"Man can counterfeit everything except silence". - William Faulkner


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beckerbuns

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carleenp

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Seneca

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southdeltan

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Pluckers

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Btouch

Prime Suspect

SirRalanN

mtn-man

Bull Moose

breaktrack

Sissy-n-CR

 

And it's so easy! Just send $10 to the name at the top of the list, remove that name and add yours to the bottom. Then post this to 10 other forums. What could be simplier? In no time, you'll be richer than you ever imagined!!!

 

(It was too tempting to resist!)

 

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quote:
Originally posted by charis_sophia:

quote:
Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:

I took a look over there and saw a post supposedly by Jomarac5. I saw some other names as well from here. I wouldn't trust any of those to be who they say they are.


 

Absolutely right! The webmaster only put controls on that board a couple of evenings ago. The posts with more info under the name are likely more reliable. Everything earlier is suspect.

 

Peace be with you!

charis


You seem to know an awful lot about this whole thing for being so new to the site

 

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