+Team GPSaxophone Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 This thread was obviously finished. I asked a question and Snoogans answered it. Yet, Keystone Approver decided to lock it without comment. What is the deal? There are 190 PAGES in the General Forum. Only the ones on the first page or two are replied to. This thread would have been moved down the list soon enough without help from the admins. Do we really need to lock threads to get them off of the first two pages? Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness Link to comment
Keystone Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 I didn't view it as "dead" at all. I fully expected that a rash of people would post meaningless nothings into the thread, the way that happens every time someone posts a thread that says "don't read this, posted in error." I therefore closed it, without regard as to who else had posted, or what the original content was (because I never saw the post before it was edited). As for threads falling off the page, one was just revived which ought to have been closed, but wasn't. It's an art, not a science. I closed the thread with a note which consisted of a single period (.) in keeping with the edited first post in the thread. I thought that was humorous but it is late at night and I suppose I could have explained myself better. Don't make me stop this car! Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted September 21, 2003 Author Share Posted September 21, 2003 When I see a 'locked' thread, I get the idea that something bad happened for it to get that way. Yes, sometimes old topics are brought up again, but that means someone is actually reading some of the other 188 pages on the list. If it's so bad to bring up an old topic, why keep so many of them around? Maybe deleting the oldest 150 pages would clear up some room on the server and allow the site to run better. Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness Link to comment
+Snoogans Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 K.A. did the right thing. If someone had posted an opening for me, gawd knows what I might have said in there. Sngans Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain. Link to comment
+briansnat Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 Is there such a thing as a dead topic? I've seen 2 year old topics raise their ugly heads once again. "You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm Link to comment
+woodsters Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 quote:Originally posted by BrianSnat:Is there such a thing as a dead topic? I've seen 2 year old topics raise their ugly heads once again. _"You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm_ Yes, those throw me for a loop. Just when I thought it was a new thread, someone found one from a year or so ago and replied to it. After reading all the replies, I finally realized the thread was from a long time ago. I agree with GPSaxophone about the deleting or the pruning of threads. They can do that. It's an automatic process. Or I should say I assume that they can with the infopop software. I know on software I use that I can. You can set time limits on them and let them die. Would save on some things. I remember back in June there was a lot of "search the forums" thing being pushed. But that shouldn't have to be the case. If one wants to do it, then it's there. As I've stated in previous posts, people are going to continously bring up topics and discussions that's been discussed before. It's inevitable as there are new people that come aboard every day as well ones that come here every so often that might of missed the discussion. Sooner or later, there will be nothing to talk about at all. To close a thread or make statements that it's been discussed before, doesn't make sense on the purpose and function of having a forum where people can discuss and ask questions. Then on this case to close a thread because you expect something to come out of it? Brian www.woodsters.com Link to comment
+Doc-Dean Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 The thread in question was obviously meaningless and KA was justified in closing it IMHO... There are many threads that are revived from time to time, ie... the recent 9-11 memorial posts. Those appropriately are allowed to fall down the list but remain open. I have looked at many of the posts that KA has made comments on or closed and I think he is doing a very good job. As a matter of fact, I have not really seen a problem with the 'moderators' overstepping or micromanaging thus so far... --------------------------------------------------- Free your mind and the rest will follow And may no Admin bricks fly your way Link to comment
Team Sidewinder Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 Yes lock em up or they will haunt us forever. If they aren't locked up they are never really dead. Without admins there would be chaos in these forums so lets not critique everything they do. Team sidewinder LOST AND FOUND DEPT. Link to comment
cache cadaver Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 but really the admn. looks like they are know it alls. What did i miss when it was no police on here. Now you cant do anything? Yes im new but the admin are being too quick to lock. Link to comment
+Team GeoCan Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Doc-Dean: As a matter of fact, I have not really seen a problem with the 'moderators' overstepping or micromanaging thus so far... And may no Admin bricks fly your way My 10 Year old autistic son wanted to express himself on the Geocaching Logo, I posted the results, it lasted less than 5 minutes. Was that "unreasonable"?, It was a judgment calll, there isa policy that the logo i sacred, and even though I was quite impressed with my son's work, it was deleted...and locked. Although the creation wasn't meant to be used, nor to "get out" of the forum, was NOT commercial and just in fun, I imagine it got CO ADMIN's dander up. The post was closed as fast as it appeared. BAAAD! BAAAAD!!!! A BAAAD Ancestor is Good to Find!!!! The International Blacksheep Society of Genealogists [/url [This message was edited by Bo Peep & The Sheep on September 21, 2003 at 08:08 AM.] Link to comment
Keystone Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 cache cadaver - If I was "too quick to lock" I would've locked this thread or deleted it. But I am secure enough in my AdminHood that I can listen and learn from what others have to say. Unlike the empty thread about nothing, this is a productive discussion. If I was "too quick to lock" I would lock this thread for references to the "police" and that the "admins are know it alls." The guidelines remind you to respect admins, too, just as I am respecting the views of others in this thread. Please remember that I'm a volunteer, a geocacher just like you. I have no special claim to the divine knowledge of the frog; I merely quest for it. Bo Peep - Your post violated the terms of use for the Groundspeak logo. If you have further questions please read the Geocaching Logo Usage Guidelines. You could also write to Groundspeak to obtain permission for the altered version of its logo. But, you may wish to consider having some fun with one of the public domain logos that are freely modifiable. That's exactly why they were created. Don't make me stop this car! [This message was edited by Keystone Approver on September 21, 2003 at 08:10 AM.] Link to comment
+TotemLake Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Snoogans:K.A. did the right thing. If someone had posted an opening for me, gawd knows what I might have said in there. Sngans http://www.texasgeocaching.com Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain. ...and most that know you. Cheers! TL Link to comment
+Doc-Dean Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 Bo Peep - I assume you are talking about thread ? I am not looking to debate you on this but I did want to point out one thing... You even mentioned that you knew that it is not acceptible to mess with their logo... which was just an invitation for a moderator to do something about it... quote:I know Jeremy and the PTB do not want unauthorized use of the logo, nor variatiions in use, but I and my 10 year oldautistic son DID play a bit with it. Although, looking at that thread, I do not think its unreasonable to request the moderator to make a note of why he/she is locking or deleting a post. --------------------------------------------------- Free your mind and the rest will follow And may no Admin bricks fly your way Link to comment
+woodsters Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 Why not the moderator remove the picture and then put a reply down stating that there is no this and that because of the rules and that others should refrain from doing so. There still could of been discussion about the logo. Brian www.woodsters.com Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted September 21, 2003 Author Share Posted September 21, 2003 It's not often that I read what Woodsters has to say, but in this case I actually agree with him! quote:Originally posted by Woodsters Outdoors:I remember back in June there was a lot of "search the forums" thing being pushed. But that shouldn't have to be the case. If one wants to do it, then it's there. As I've stated in previous posts, people are going to continously bring up topics and discussions that's been discussed before. It's inevitable as there are new people that come aboard every day as well ones that come here every so often that might of missed the discussion. Sooner or later, there will be nothing to talk about at all. Out of the 190 pages of topics on the General Forum, the first couple of pages contain the current discussions. Once a topic drops past page 2 or 3, the chance of someone replying to it drops considerably. Sometimes it happens, but usually someone will just post the question again instead of searching for the 'old' thread. Occasionally someone will even bring up a topic that hasn't been replied to in over a year (myself included) and the vast majority of the time the resurrected thread will die quicker the second time. Does Groundspeak want us to search for old topics and revive them or post questions as we have them? As Woodsters noted about the search feature, most people (especially the new ones) don't use it. They either don't know about it, don't know how use it, or just don't want to use it. If the policy of Groundspeak is to lock threads in order to keep the chatter at a minimum, why not just delete the oldest 150 pages or so of topics because people will talk anyway. From what Keystone Approver said: quote:Originally posted by Keystone Approver:I fully expected that a rash of people would post meaningless nothings into the thread, the way that happens every time someone posts a thread that says "don't read this, posted in error." What is the harm in allowing a meaningless thread to remain? Locking it to keep it from cluttering the current discussions has little effect. When someone wants to ask a question, they make a new thread instead of searching. We're always posting new threads, so the list is constantly changing. The best discussions only last longer on the first page of topics. The useless discussions might appear at the top of the list from time to time, but are ignored when they are truly useless. Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness Link to comment
+Team GeoCan Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 I said "unauthorized use of the logo, nor variatiions in use," The key words are "in Use", although I did research the FAQS after tyhe deletion of the graphic and found where "you are free to use it, upon approval- but it must be unaltered in any fashion" (Paraphrased) So I have this question, has every poster in these forums who has some form, altered in anyway of any copyrighted image been censored and deleted? I can point out hundreds of examples. Incidentally Changing the image means it is no longer the SAME image, as per Trademark rules. Although it may be UNETHICAL to alter and use someone else's logo, it isn't illegal. If there is a registered trademark, it is only within the specified industry or limits of the trade. (A Oil Company uses "Geocan" for their name, that doesn't preclude my use of GeoCan for geocaching, since I am not implying I am them, nor interfering in the Oil Business.) There was no commercial use intended or implied by altering the logo. It was an educational exercise for a hard to reach autistic child. (You get through when you can, and he is fixated on geocaching). I did say it was a judgment call. BAAAD! BAAAAD!!!! A BAAAD Ancestor is Good to Find!!!! http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 You should lock threads that should be dead, and you should have a topic to decide if a dead thread should stay dead. You should lock old threads before they are dead because once one answer has been posted the topic is used up and nobody at all would ever post something usefull. Any new thread that has a topic matched by an old thread should be locked and markwelled to the old locked thread because we don't need to hash this all out again. Any new original thread should be locked because the only way it could be new and original is to be off topic. All off topic threads should be locked because thats the rules. A thread listing valid topics should be started but it should be locked after the first answer as already was discussed. Any thread under suspicion of having a sock puppet post in it should be locked because the entire thread has now been tainted and might spin out of control. You should lock all meaningless threads because they mean nothing. Post a new thread for what meaningless is so we know, but be sure to lock it because the topic is meaningless. Sometimes I think that some of the people with thread locking abilities are jaded on forums. Most of my comments were based (even if loosly) on thread locking comments & warnings gleaned over the past couple of months. To answer the original question. No old threads should not be locked. Link to comment
+woodsters Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 OK RK, now I gotta get my brain out of knots...I agree though...I think...lol Brian www.woodsters.com Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Woodsters Outdoors:OK RK, now I gotta get my brain out of knots...I agree though...I think...lol Brian http://www.woodsters.com http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/pumpkinlights.gif You could just skip to the last line... Link to comment
+Doc-Dean Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 hmmm... Lock any thread RK has contributed to?? --------------------------------------------------- Free your mind and the rest will follow And may no Admin bricks fly your way Link to comment
+Xitron Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 As appealing as that may be if it did happen we'd be down to one page in the forums, if that. Link to comment
Dreaddrone Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 When I see a 'locked' thread, I get the idea that something bad happened for it to get that way. Yes, sometimes old topics are brought up again, but that means someone is actually reading some of the other 188 pages on the list. It just means Snoogans has logged on. Link to comment
+Klondike Mike Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 someone leave a sock laying around ibtl Link to comment
jholly Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Oh, there you are, you dirty sock. I'm going to march you home right now and run you through the washing machine. Link to comment
Keystone Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 And now I get to enjoy the irony of locking a thread called "Do dead topics really need to be locked?" Link to comment
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