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Should caches be placed in sensitive locations?


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Should (micro) caches be hidden without permission in areas where security guards, police or the FBI are payed to patrol. Examples being - Hospitals, Private residences of Prime Ministers, or Presidents, Power Plants etc. Areas where there is 24 hours video surveilance of the asset.

 

My personal opinion after attempting a micro cache today is that geocaching has no place in these areas. I throw it open to the geocaching community to decide.

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Originally posted by LoneHowler:

In parks it's only a fine mess around with the Pentagon and you might vanish permanently


 

Yeah, they'll probably exile the person to ... Calgary. I voted "with permission," but now change that to "no."

 

How come the guy telling people not to feed the troll fed it twice?!? That don't seem right.

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Originally posted by BrianSnat:

This has to be a troll. Don't feed it!


 

Now why is that? Sounds to me like the person found a cache in a dubious location and contacted the owner. The owner said "Hey - I can place a cache anywhere I want to." He then turned to the forums for validation for his aprehensions.

 

Guy's got 56 finds and 15 posts. Doesn't sound like a troll to me.

 

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Originally posted by Tony Jago:

Should (micro) caches be hidden without permission in areas where security guards, police or the FBI are payed to patrol. Examples being - Hospitals, Private residences of Prime Ministers, or Presidents, Power Plants etc. Areas where there is 24 hours video surveilance of the asset.

 

My personal opinion after attempting a micro cache today is that geocaching has no place in these areas. I throw it open to the geocaching community to decide.


 

In my opinion, it would only be OK if:

 

It can be clearly documented that the permission to place the cache (and for hunters to access the area to find it) has been properly granted, by a recognized authority who has the right to grant such authority.

 

The cache description describes the area clearly and correctly, and any special procedures for accessing the area (including any minor details like body cavity searches and high intensity X-Ray scans) are stated very prominently, along with contact information so a hunter can call and verify permission to hunt the cache if they feel the need based on the nature of the property.

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Like we don't have enough problems already, let's go look for some more, eh?

 

Let's cache where it's not a security threat, please. Even a PERCEIVED threat would be enough to give us a bad name, again.

 

IMHO we already have enough areas to cache in without adding places where security forces are trying their best to prevent problems from arising. Let's cut these folks a break, okay? Let's not hide caches near Hospitals, Power Plants, etc.... just as a good move on our part.

 

Just seems like the right thing to do....

 

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Originally posted by Breaktrack:

"...Like we don't have enough problems already, let's go look for some more, eh?..."

 

"...IMHO we already have enough areas to cache in without adding places where security forces are trying their best to prevent problems from arising. Let's cut these folks a break, okay?..."


One person's obvious common sense is another person's incredulous 'Whod'a thunk?!?'.

 

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Originally posted by Tony Jago:

Should (micro) caches be hidden without permission in areas where security guards, police or the FBI are payed to patrol. Examples being - Hospitals, Private residences of Prime Ministers, or Presidents, Power Plants etc. Areas where there is 24 hours video surveilance of the asset.

 

My personal opinion after attempting a micro cache today is that geocaching has no place in these areas. I throw it open to the geocaching community to decide.


 

I voted absolutely no. Then I thought about it some more. Many public areas have security, but are open to the public (Court houses, museums, school buildings, etc.). It is not illegal to be there, you are just watched. It is just possible that a hider a lot more creative than I am might come up with a virt or micro that would not be out of line. Seems to me the real problem comes if there is a steady stream of cachers visiting a public place. Would that not attract a lot of attention from the security people? But a very clever and wise hider might be able to pull it off.

 

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I think the question should be 'Should a cacher hunt micro caches in areas where security guards, police or the FBI are payed to patrol. Examples being - Hospitals, Private residences of Prime Ministers, or Presidents, Power Plants etc. Areas where there is 24 hours video surveilance of the asset.'

 

To this, I say 'Let the cacher beware.' Certainly we pay the police to patrol the parks that we often play in. I suspect that there are already many caches subject to 24/7 video surveillance. So what? If the cache is approved by the controlling authority, so what if there is a camera (or security for that matter).

 

The fact is, in the bulk of places you mention, the cache will not be approved, leaving this a moot issue. If you arrive at a cache location and you think that you should not search for the cache, for any reason, abort your search.

 

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Sorry sir, I went to lunch.

 

Most of the responders overlooked the most obvious. We don’t hunt caches indoors! My theory is this; you can hide a geocache any-dadgum-where you want, within reason. What’s reasonable? Hey, you got any common sense? If your level of common sense is such that you’d hide a micro in any of those places, Darwinism will weed you out soon enough.

 

Now, if you placed a geocache on top the water tower up the road from me, I might send you an email about how it is inappropriate. Right after I jumped the fence, climbed the tower, and stamped your logbook (maybe).

 

I can certainly see how BrianSnat could think this was troll generated, given we have this bickering session about every two weeks or so.

 

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Originally posted by Moun10Bike:

The cache that appears to have given birth to this thread is http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=47248.

 

My opinion, _going only on what information is available in the logs_, is that this is a poor choice of hiding location.


 

After reading the cache page it does make a little more sense. I can only speak for myself of course but urban cache or no, I'd be much less likely to hide it near a high security area than an urban park or something. Using your imagination to hide a cache does not necessarily mean you find the worst possible place to put it, permission or not.

 

Just a thought.

 

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