iryshe Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 There was recently an email volley about "locationless" being a confusing term for what the idea is (tasked to find unique objects on the planet and log them with a GPS). Should a locationless cache be called by another name? If you choose a new name idea, we will continue with a second poll. Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location Quote Link to comment
+Doombot! Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 "Global" caches might be better. I have logged locationless caches from many states, and several countrys. I get to be a (very small) part of someone's life and where they live vicariouly (sp.) through caches that both them and I place. [1st ] Doombot! Quote Link to comment
+Doombot! Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 "Global" caches might be better. I have logged locationless caches from many states, and several countrys. I get to be a (very small) part of someone's life and where they live vicariouly (sp.) through caches that both them and I place. [1st ] Doombot! Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Locationless and Virtual Caches have in common that they are not actually caches in the same sence as a traditioanl cache. They do involve aspects of the hunt though and keep to the spirt of the game. What I don't like about a locationless cache is that they are almost all required to be "One log per location" which is the opposite of every other cache out there. There is a quest involved to find something. Finding the object can be fun for everyone one. Maybe posting the pic and coordinates so only the owner can see would let everyone enjoy the caches? Locationless caches are really a scavenger hunt that you claim by posting a coordinate. "Scavenger Cache" is what a locationless cache is and it doesnt' sound any more goofy than any other name for the hunting of odd, unsual, and goofy things. [This message was edited by Renegade Knight on July 14, 2002 at 10:09 PM.] Quote Link to comment
+georgeandmary Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 I voted for discovery... thats basically how I go for these. I discover them while out doing something else. That leads me to another question I have but I'll leave that for another thread. george Remember: Half the people you meet are below average. Quote Link to comment
+Markwell Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Locationless Caches (or whatever we call them - I voted for Discovery) are quite different from Virtuals. Markwell Chicago Geocachers Quote Link to comment
+infosponge Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Change it to "backwards cache" or "reverse cache"...you find the spot and then you use the GPS, rather than the other way around. Actually "postcard cache" works well too...essentially you're making a postcard of something and then posting where the photo was taken. Some "locationless" caches are not backwards though...the ones that use math to get to a synthetic location are just as valid as a standard virtual cache because of the skills involved. Some of them probably take more effort because of all the pre-planning involved with maps and stuff before you even leave the house. Quote Link to comment
+infosponge Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Change it to "backwards cache" or "reverse cache"...you find the spot and then you use the GPS, rather than the other way around. Actually "postcard cache" works well too...essentially you're making a postcard of something and then posting where the photo was taken. Some "locationless" caches are not backwards though...the ones that use math to get to a synthetic location are just as valid as a standard virtual cache because of the skills involved. Some of them probably take more effort because of all the pre-planning involved with maps and stuff before you even leave the house. Quote Link to comment
+Clan Ferguson Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Make a seperate Section for them as they are not caches. Nothing to seek with a GPS nothing to Find, trade or sign. They are like benchmarks. They need thier own section. P.S. Can we get a seperate listing or Icon for Mircos? Cache On!! James "Big Dog" -Clan Ferguson Quote Link to comment
+Jamie Z Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 As far as I can tell, the first use of the term "locationless" was in this thread on March 3, by Don&Betty. -just some locationless history... Jamie Quote Link to comment
+seneca Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 It has nothing to do with “caching” and therefore, as with “benchmarking”, the word “cache” should not be included in the name. This activity is all about seeking and waypointing a particular feature . I propose the following selection of names: Nowns:. Geofeature; FeatureSite; FeaturePoint Verbs: Geofeaturing; Feature-seeking ; FeatureSiting; FeatureSighting ; FeaturePointing; You may not agree with what I say, but I will defend, to your death, my right to say it!(it's a Joke, OK!) Quote Link to comment
+seneca Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 It has nothing to do with “caching” and therefore, as with “benchmarking”, the word “cache” should not be included in the name. This activity is all about seeking and waypointing a particular feature . I propose the following selection of names: Nowns:. Geofeature; FeatureSite; FeaturePoint Verbs: Geofeaturing; Feature-seeking ; FeatureSiting; FeatureSighting ; FeaturePointing; You may not agree with what I say, but I will defend, to your death, my right to say it!(it's a Joke, OK!) Quote Link to comment
+EraSeek Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 I have not given into these yet, but my first choice would be to call them 'Postcards' or 'Virtual Postcards' because that is what they are, but my second choice would be 'Reverse Waypoints (or caches)'. Quote Link to comment
+gnbrotz Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Scavenger cache or Reverse cache That being said, I have not yet logged any locationless caches. I will be more inclined to do so AFTER the find counts are broken out into category. Right now I don't want to inflate my found count with them. Greg N 39° 54.705' W 77° 33.137' Quote Link to comment
+tntyz Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 I like the sound of "Reverse Caching", but that might be confused with hiding a cached as opposed to finding one. My vote shouldn't count as a full one, though, because L-caching doesn't sound like that much fun to me. Tony Quote Link to comment
+EraSeek Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Another option might be a ''Reverse Vitual''. Quote Link to comment
+Texas-Gal Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 I've only just started geocaching - haven't even gotten a find yet! - so my opinion may not be worth much, but... I think separating the scavenger-type caches out will be very beneficial: without that seperate category, they are quite difficult to find. I've run across a few of them, and they look like fun, but would love to have a better way to access them. Quote Link to comment
+Team Sand Dollar Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 I'm not concerned with what they are called. I just feel that they belong in there own section. I know this is not supposed to be a numbers game but locationless caches do tend to inflate a teams number of finds. I noticed today that one team has claimed 15 finds on the same location less cache on the same day. Just my thoughts. Team Sand Dollar Quote Link to comment
Steak N Eggs Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 It still refers to a location, but not a physical cache. Those type of caches are a "Non-Physcal" cache, meaning you cant log in a logbook/trade out items at THE SITE. What to call them is a hard order to fill. I think the name has to do something that describes that kind of cache. Locationless IMO does not fit the bill, but can't think of anything better right now..... "My gps say's it RIGHT HERE". http://www.geogadgets.com Quote Link to comment
+MartyFouts Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 Locationless caches seem to me to be most like scavenger hunting with a gps, so I propose geoscavenging Marty Quote Link to comment
+yrium Posted July 22, 2002 Share Posted July 22, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Renegade Knight: Locationless caches are really a scavenger hunt that you claim by posting a coordinate. "Scavenger Cache" is what a locationless cache is and it doesnt' sound any more goofy than any other name for the hunting of odd, unsual, and goofy things. I'll second Renegade Knight's suggestion of calling them Scavenger Caches. That's what I've been using in my mind whenever I think about them. --- yrium --- Quote Link to comment
+Kouros Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 I voted to leave it as it is. Is the word "Locationless" *really* that confusing? At least it sums up a little about the cache idea... that it is without a location. "Discovery" doesn't really do the same - since all caches are discovered, to a certain extent, by the finder. "Scavenger Hunt" would probably be the other best alternative. ------ O God, I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams. Hamlet, II.2 252-253 Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 I think the term Reverse Cache is a good one. "Life is a daring adventure, or it is nothing" - Helen Keller Quote Link to comment
Norm DePlume Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 I think changing what you call them is WAY less important than changing the system so they don't get included in the find counts with other types of geocaches. They should either be counted separately, or not at all. Quote Link to comment
+jhwf44 Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 Yeah, I would prioritize changing the system higher then the name. jhwf4 Quote Link to comment
+Team StitchesOnQuilts Posted July 23, 2002 Share Posted July 23, 2002 I agree - being able to have those counted separately means more to me than the name. However, if we're going to change the name, I really like the Scavenger Cache and geoscavenging ideas. I would be significantly more likely to participate if the name was changed. It just sounds more fun than "locationless". It's also easier to sell the idea to my kids, who understand what a scavenger hunt is, but have no idea how one would even go about looking for something that has no location. "Does that mean it doesn't exist, Mom? Why can't we hunt a real cache, Mom?" (They're 7 and 5 - abstract concepts are still a bit hard for them.) Shannah Quote Link to comment
+MissJenn Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Renegade Knight:Locationless caches are really a scavenger hunt that you claim by posting a coordinate. "Scavenger Cache" is what a locationless cache is and it doesnt' sound any more goofy than any other name I like SCAVENGER cache best, although I think I had already previously voted for Discovery cache ... ----- You must be present to win. Quote Link to comment
+Web-ling Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 I vote for Scavenger Caches. I also vote for a separate section and separate stats. I'd feel a lot more comfortable logging them if the stats were separated. Quote Link to comment
+Lazyboy & Mitey Mite Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 quote:Yeah, I would prioritize changing the system higher then the name. I suggest if numbers are really important to you that you do something where numbers matter, like bowling. Never Squat With Yer Spurs On Quote Link to comment
+SimonG Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 Since they don't have a waypoint, how about Pointless Caches? SimonG Quote Link to comment
+SimonG Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 Since they don't have a waypoint, how about Pointless Caches? SimonG Quote Link to comment
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