+SylvrStorm Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 There have been plenty (!) of comments against pirating of caches, and several in favour of it if done right. The problems with the 'bad' pirates are obvious. We don't need any more car analogies to understand that nobody wants their caches' contents stolen. The problems with the 'good' pirates may be a little more nebulous, but that's been talked to death in other threads as well. What I'd like to do in this thread is see if there's any hope of evolving this into something that is an acceptable new variation to the game. For anyone tempted to shout "NO!" without reading further, think of those who condemn all geocaching because of the unfortunate misguided actions of a small minority of cachers. We all believe that geocaching is good if done right, so let's go ahead with the assumption that any new variation will be good if done right. We also have to accept that any new variation will not appeal to everyone, and that's fine so long as they can continue to experience geocaching as they've done to date. First off, I think we'd need to agree that nobody's cache is modified in any way without prior permission from the cache owner. This seems to be the biggest gripe with the recent pirate activity, and by setting this as the prevailing rule, it should alleviate the primary concerns. With that out of the way, the next thing we need to do is come up with a name other than pirating. That label has too much baggage tied to it. I'm open to suggestions. I think for this to work, it has to be an accepted variation here on this site. Having a separate site like piratecaching.com invited the sort of people who liked to defy accepted standards, and also made it more difficult to prevent the negative behaviour. While we can never stop such sites from operating, we may be able to influence those who really did just want to improve the game by letting them do so in an acceptable way. One more critical rule would be that the original container, with the original log book (at a minimum) be left in the original cache location, thus allowing cachers who don't like the variant to still find and enjoy the cache as it was originally intended. So, what would such a variation look like? I think it amounts to an extension of or variation to an existing cache. One of the things we'd need to discuss would be whether they are permanent or temporary. Maybe there's room for both. A permanent one would essentially turn a traditional cache into a multi. People might ask why not just place a separate cache? Indeed, why not? But then why aren't all multi's set up as separate caches? Sometimes another cacher might have an idea that just fits really well with the original; they collaborate, and it becomes a multi. No problem with that. This variation would just make it official. A temporary addition would amount to the placing of a special note in an existing cache with instructions to finding something more. When the additional prize is found, it's kept by the finder. This has apparently been done in some areas already, and I haven't seen any complaints about it. Does the cache contents stay in the original container, or move to the new end point? I'd say this should be discussed and agreed between the original cache owner and the cache extender. Cache owners won't want their caches left empty, but I can see there could be times they'd agree for some or all of it to be replaced by the extender's new swag. Some cache owners might even like the idea of their cache contents being moved according to the rules on the piratecaching.com site, essentially making their traditional temporarily into a puzzle-multi, with a prize for the next finder. Again, any change like this is only done with full knowledge and approval of the cache owner. Who owns the extension? This is probably moot for a temporary extension, but what about a permanent one? I can think of reasons for both sides, but I think I'll leave it open for discussion. Maybe it needs to be decided case-by-case by the individuals involved. Sorry this is so long, but I think there's room for a valid variation to the game while addressing the concerns of the pirate-haters. Looking for the Sylvr lining... SylvrStorm PS - For those who like to point fingers - no, I haven't been involved in any of the pirating activities. I'm merely an interested bystander who sees the potential for improving the game, but who also understands that it must be done right for it to work. Quote Link to comment
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