AlsidPrime Posted October 11, 2003 Share Posted October 11, 2003 Well i've recently started GeoCaching, save for the fact that i have NO GPS... I've found one so far "pitt's spitt" and am going for 2 tomorow, and if it all works out another 2 on monday (thanksgiving....no school...YES), Simply put what i did was Look at the map on the Cache site, Memorized that ( i know the general area's of them all) and used a little common sense to find it.... now my question would be ... is this cheating? taking the game to a new level? or what... i'm interested in all input on this one... lol .....basicly to sum it up i'm a student....GPS's are expensive... And i still want to partake in this Uber awesome sport.... so i'm winging this... any ideas... Thanks! --Alsid Prime-- GeoCaching for a goal. Quote Link to comment
lomd Posted October 11, 2003 Share Posted October 11, 2003 This topic has been discussed in the past, and the consensus has always been that there is nothing wrong with finding caches without a GPS. Unless you actually follow someone to find the cache, there is no cheating at all. If you check the standard cache notice, you will see that even stumbling on caches by accident is valid. If anything, making do with terrain familiarity, compass and maps is an aditional merit. Best, Luis. Quote Link to comment
+Cave Troll and Eeyore Posted October 11, 2003 Share Posted October 11, 2003 Having a GPSr helps, but caching without one is certainly not cheating IMHO. You,ve gotta use whatevers available and I say good on ya for finding em without one. Quote Link to comment
Cholo Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Alsid Prime:and used a little common sense Ha, ha, ha, ha!.....read some of the forums, you'll soon find that 'common sense' is an alien concept. Seriously tho, you're soon going to hear the pros and cons of not using a GPSr and how cheap one can be had for. I don't think it's cheating because I don't have one either. I hunt benchmarks, where a GPSr is not that important. You will find that there are some caches where a GPSr is probably almost absolutely necessary. One example is some virtuals require a photo of your GPSr with the coordinates shown. Faking such a photo would be cheating. I use www.lostoutdoors.com for maps that help me in pursuit of caches and benchmarks. I don't know how that site would help Canadian locations. Most likely, if you're like most men, you'll be saying to yourself, "I gotta get me one of those things". One of 'those things' is basically why geocaching has become so popular. Quote Link to comment
ju66l3r Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Not using a GPS is no more cheating than using a GPS. The person who has the most finds in Massachusetts (all of NE?) is WaldenRun. He has over 1000 finds and none of them by GPS (his avatar is an Etrex with an X through it). -- http://magazine.audubon.org/features0101/goodwood.html Quote Link to comment
evilrooster Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 There's a cacher in our area who did a lot of non-GPS finding. I can only recall one time where she ran into trouble, when she was doing a multi of mine. She got the coordinates for the final cache, but couldn't convert them into a format that the mapping software would handle. The assistance I gave her was merely to do a numeric conversion...she had everthing else well nailed down. Far from considering it "cheating", I am truly impressed by the meticulous research, clever orienteering, and patience that this approach takes. evilrooster http://www.bookweb.sunpig.com -the email of the species is deadlier than the mail- Quote Link to comment
+woodsters Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Ditto on Waldenrun.... Brian www.woodsters.com Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Hell no it's not cheating. Quote Link to comment
SombreHippie Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Not cheating at all. We had our first couple of finds without a GPS. There's even another Vancouver area cacher that apparently has a GPS but can't figure out how to use it. He uses maps and paces things off A great serial killer once said, "Beauty is only skin deep. Trust me, I've looked..." Quote Link to comment
+edscott Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Hope not... I got #191 yesterday and all without owning a GPS. Edscott Quote Link to comment
+astheravenflies Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Most satisfying not using one. Quote Link to comment
Captain Chaoss Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Must say I'm very impressed by those who find caches without gps. I find benchmarks without it, but not caches. Two roads diverged in the woods and I, I took the one less traveled, and that is how I found the cache. Quote Link to comment
+Corp Of Discovery Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Not using a GPSR? Thats blasphemy! Ooops, sorry my tongue got stuck in my cheek. Remember, wherever you go- there you are! Quote Link to comment
AlsidPrime Posted October 12, 2003 Author Share Posted October 12, 2003 Well then, i'm glad the general concensus is positive. I went on my second trip today... Misread the clue... and the clue is really all i had going for me... never found it after and hour and half of combing.... i plan on going back tomorow... i don't quit...not how i do things... lol I plan on buying a GPS... Heh but i also plan on getting a job... gotta get Priorities straight here... Job first.. which then takes up the time for GeoCaching.. and hiking... then GPS... which will be useless Because all my time is in the job....Ironic how the world works isn't it?... lol bunk.. Thanks for the Input! --Alsid Prime-- GeoCaching for a goal. Quote Link to comment
+CO Admin Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Its not cheating. But so us all a favor and don't try to hide one without a GPS, even a borrowed one to get the Coords for us to find it by. I work for the QOFE that works for the Frog The Frog is my friend Quote Link to comment
AlsidPrime Posted October 12, 2003 Author Share Posted October 12, 2003 LoL! wouldn't that be entertaining? Yea the Cache is ....uh just past a big tree... take a left at the small rock with a nose kinnda looking thing..... or was it an ear.... well anyway it's in that direction... you'll find it no problem...:-D --Alsid Prime-- GeoCaching for a goal. Quote Link to comment
+Corp Of Discovery Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 I was wondering about that myself, how would you place them. Check out the logs on caches Waldenrun placed. They seem to do pretty good. And just in case you were wondering from my 1st post: of course it's not cheating, more power to you if you can do it the old fashioned way! Remember, wherever you go- there you are! Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I've found a couple sans GPS. It certainly adds to the challenge. Probably even more challenging if you live someplace flat, where there are no contour lines to go by. The ones I did find were made easier by plotting them on Topozone maps. I can't see doing this in Kansas. quote:I was wondering about that myself, how would you place them. Check out the logs on caches Waldenrun placed. They seem to do pretty good. Does he also PLACE without a GPS? "You can't make a man by standing a sheep on his hind legs. But by standing a flock of sheep in that position, you can make a crowd of men" - Max Beerbohm Quote Link to comment
+Corp Of Discovery Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by BrianSnat:Does he also PLACE without a GPS? Evidently he does, not positively sure but some logs seem to indicate he does placement without a GPSR. Remember, wherever you go- there you are! Quote Link to comment
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