Geospatial Infrastructure Executive Order 12906

[Cache Canucks]

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Originally posted by Cache Canucks:

Are 'worldtraveler' and I the only ones in this forum who saw 'A Beautiful Mind'...? This is the part where they find the guy's office wallpapered in psychotic gibberish and have to convince him that he doesn't have an implant embedded in his forearm...

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"...Bought it for my wife for her birthday, watched it last night. I'm afraid I'm gonna have to watch that one a couple more times before I have it down..."

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It was an entertaining movie, but don't confuse what you see on the screen with fact (despite its 4 Academy Awards). Ron Howard (aka 'DreamWorks') helped himself to a considerable amount of 'creative license' when it came to adapting Sylvia Nasar's biography of John Nash into a movie script. Some have even suggested that, if certain parts of the Nash story had been more accurately depicted in the film (or not left out altogether), the movie wouldn't have been nearly as successful at the box office ...apparently a calculated move on the part of the film's production team. By all means, enjoy the film for what it is ...'entertainment'; but if you're at all interested in the real life of John Nash, give Sylvia Nasar's book a read.

 

(...how did we get into a movie review?)

 

[Cache Canucks]

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Originally posted by CYBret:

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Originally posted by Cache Canucks:

Are 'worldtraveler' and I the only ones in this forum who saw 'A Beautiful Mind'...? This is the part where they find the guy's office wallpapered in psychotic gibberish and have to convince him that he doesn't have an implant embedded in his forearm...

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"...Bought it for my wife for her birthday, watched it last night. I'm afraid I'm gonna have to watch that one a couple more times before I have it down..."

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It was an entertaining movie, but don't confuse what you see on the screen with fact (despite its 4 Academy Awards). Ron Howard (aka 'DreamWorks') helped himself to a considerable amount of 'creative license' when it came to adapting Sylvia Nasar's biography of John Nash into a movie script. Some have even suggested that, if certain parts of the Nash story had been more accurately depicted in the film (or not left out altogether), the movie wouldn't have been nearly as successful at the box office ...apparently a calculated move on the part of the film's production team. By all means, enjoy the film for what it is ...'entertainment'; but if you're at all interested in the real life of John Nash, give Sylvia Nasar's book a read.

 

(...how did we get into a movie review?)

 

[+GEO*Trailblazer 1]

United States Department of the Interior Geological Survey. Third Order Levels,National Geodetic Vertical Datum of 1929, Final Adjustment of 1974,Barry County Missouri,Edition of: 6-10-74, PR: ADP/cb 36-093-43,Cassville Quadrangle,28-Missouri,N3630-W93-45/15,Diagram NJ 15-11,HARRISON N.G.S.(USC&GS)Vertical Control Data. The Data Sheets for the benchmarks is right in front of me ,I wrote the BLM and they sent me these field notes that have Triangulation Stations that are back to 1850 and to 1974. I know that the datums were refined and combined to make a better reference map,sorry for the error in the (1927)1929 is correct,But the Triangulation Station for this is in the front yard yet the same.Refence survey 1906.These marks as well as the previous landowners that had lived in the area all their lives showed me all the marks and changes in the past 50-60 years,some of the old timers I know can take you right to the original marks left by their Forefathers Goverment Surveys.There are lots of 100 year old Ranches and Farms here,and some of the original homesteads from the 1800's as well.Im trying to do my best to present what I have come across in these fields to try and explain (define) my theoretical question.It was never my intention to try and define a complex concept.

 

When all else fails Geotry again.

[Kerry.]

I'm yet to really understand where your coming from and where your going to (or want to get to). So keeping things simple just explain the following bit, that appears to be missing something.

 

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But the Triangulation Station for this is in the front yard yet the same.Refence survey 1906.

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Then simply explain, what it is you've come across and what is this theoretical question, without all the unnecessary things that really appear to have no relevence.

 

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Im trying to do my best to present what I have come across in these fields to try and explain (define) my theoretical question

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Cheers, Kerry.

 

I never get lost everybody keeps telling me where to go

[+GEO*Trailblazer 1]

5 HBS 1973, is the Triangulation Station,National Vertical Datum in the front yard Standard tablet.There is a 17" by 3" by 5" stone Placed by the County surveyor,A.W. Rogers in 1906,then referenced in the 1933 Federal aid Special Project survey for this area.This Stone lies on a baseline that is from what I can calculate,and determine from all the evidence is from the Original Survey of 1848,the field notes of the 1906 County Surveyor reflect that it was only a few links off,and he reset the corners of th whole section.Original Plat.This Township 21 Range 27 West of the 5th Principal meridian was not surveyed in the normal manner at 21' from Cardinal which is less than 1/2 degree,but rather at North Boundry at 7 degrees 18' east,East,South and West boundries at 7 degrees 15',Subdivisions at 7 degrees 30',adopted 13 April,1848.This is the deflection angle of the vertical that I spoke of earlier,the lines now run at 1.5 to 2.00 degrees.If we use the State Plane Coordinates or the Public Land Coordinates or the Geodetic Grid 36 to 37 degrees,this angle is off some what in all directions from the mathmatical(Proper) or theoretical,the monument for the township is at 155 miles and should be 156,27 times 6 = 156, miles as near as can be there is also a Cadastral Survey Monument near this distance.You can look this up for your self The given coordinate to the 5th principal meridian look at the Topzone Map Starting with the Handy Mo. Quadrangle,Maybe I am confused but the math just does not add up to what is required by law.Now if you go from that 156 mile point 7 + -degrees you will find another Triagulation Station,and another,and another,If you Use the Triangulation Stations Azimuths in the Local area they vary from 5 degrees to 8 degrees in 1959-61.This is just a start on the Information that I have gathered and know what is there on the ground through years of field work,but to find an answer to many of the ???? may be harder than anticipated.

 

When all else fails Geotry again.

[+GEO*Trailblazer 1]

5 HBS 1973, is the Triangulation Station,National Vertical Datum in the front yard Standard tablet.There is a 17" by 3" by 5" stone Placed by the County surveyor,A.W. Rogers in 1906,then referenced in the 1933 Federal aid Special Project survey for this area.This Stone lies on a baseline that is from what I can calculate,and determine from all the evidence is from the Original Survey of 1848,the field notes of the 1906 County Surveyor reflect that it was only a few links off,and he reset the corners of th whole section.Original Plat.This Township 21 Range 27 West of the 5th Principal meridian was not surveyed in the normal manner at 21' from Cardinal which is less than 1/2 degree,but rather at North Boundry at 7 degrees 18' east,East,South and West boundries at 7 degrees 15',Subdivisions at 7 degrees 30',adopted 13 April,1848.This is the deflection angle of the vertical that I spoke of earlier,the lines now run at 1.5 to 2.00 degrees.If we use the State Plane Coordinates or the Public Land Coordinates or the Geodetic Grid 36 to 37 degrees,this angle is off some what in all directions from the mathmatical(Proper) or theoretical,the monument for the township is at 155 miles and should be 156,27 times 6 = 156, miles as near as can be there is also a Cadastral Survey Monument near this distance.You can look this up for your self The given coordinate to the 5th principal meridian look at the Topzone Map Starting with the Handy Mo. Quadrangle,Maybe I am confused but the math just does not add up to what is required by law.Now if you go from that 156 mile point 7 + -degrees you will find another Triagulation Station,and another,and another,If you Use the Triangulation Stations Azimuths in the Local area they vary from 5 degrees to 8 degrees in 1959-61.This is just a start on the Information that I have gathered and know what is there on the ground through years of field work,but to find an answer to many of the ???? may be harder than anticipated.

 

When all else fails Geotry again.

[Uptonhouse]

Put Aluminum Foil on your head, fashioned into the shape of a hat or something like that and the stuff in this thread will not effect you.

 

The More conservative types might try just carrying a small piece of foil around in their pocket but it may not afford complete protection like the above treatment will.

 

Bugout before the Fallout

[Kerry.]

Honestly you appear to be totally confused and really at the survey boundary level you should really talk with someone (like a local surveyor) US orientated with regards the way surveys were done and how things have changed over the years, and things have changed both in theory and physically.

 

The "deflection of the vertical" being "7 odd degrees" is totally off this planet. It would appear you are confusing Deflection of the Vertical with probably what we call over here County Arbituary Merdians (CAM Bearings).

 

How it was all implemented in the US I'm not totally up with (and have no real background) but I do know there was an initial meridian adopted based on Washington (passing through the centre of some dome at 24th street and constitution avenue?) and all meridian boundaries were based on that. They were also based on astronomical observations (astronomical parallels) and because of the lower order of accuracy of instrumentation in those early many State lines are not on a true meridian or parrallel.

 

Astronomical latitude and longitude is different to Geodetic lat & long. That difference is basically the Deflection of the Vertical and accross the United States it ranges from about +41 to -38 arcseconds (North/South) and +45 to -43 arcseconds (East/West).

 

You don't mention your approx geodetic location but the deflection of the vertical at say 35N, 75W is -15.83" & 14.96" (based on DEFLEC99)

 

There is absolutely no way it could be anywhere near 7 degrees.

 

It appears you are missing or interpreting something incorrect in all of this?

 

Cheers, Kerry.

 

I never get lost everybody keeps telling me where to go