? Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 This is truly amazing ... http://www.americanantigravity.com/ Quote Link to comment
+DustyJacket Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Let's get a "lifter" and put a cache on one. Then it would not technically be "on" national park property....... DustyJacket ...If life was fair, a banana split would cure cancer. Quote Link to comment
+Planet Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 And I want one that I can sit on and fly around with. One that won't flip over and dump me off. Cache you later, Planet I feel much more like I do now than when I first got here. Quote Link to comment
+Sissy-n-CR Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 The next new hoax? I think so! CR Quote Link to comment
+CWL Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 I'm not too sure about that?... I watched some of the videos and it sure looks like a triangle puppet to me. Who knows!?! Quote Link to comment
+bitbrain Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 The "Lifter" does have some credibility, but the research hasn't been coordinated nor published properly. quote: An article appeared in the May 11, 2002 issue of Wired.com/news, by Michelle Delio, about the controversial, and as-yet unresolved, "Lifter" effect; also known as "Asymmetrical Capacitors," "Electrogravitics," and the "Biefeld-Brown effect (circa 1955)." This effect claims anomalous thrust from high-voltage capacitors, and therefore, falls within the scope of Breakthrough Propulsion Physics (BPP). Marc Millis was quoted in the article. The version cited in the Wired article is from Tim Ventura, a UNIX programmer for AT&T Wireless. This topic is controversial because most of the recent work, work that was not coordinated with the BPP Project, has focused on promoting claims rather than on credibly resolving the unknowns, and some have published these claims in inappropriate venues. Such activities have tainted the overall credibility of BPP research, by association. Fortunately, a new effort, involving a reprogrammed Congressional earmark, has been tasked to conduct an independent, experimental test of these "Asymmetrical Capacitor" claims. This new effort, managed by MSFC, involves a MSFC-managed earmark to the West Virginia Institute for Software Research (ISR). This work is now being coordinated with the BPP Project. More information can be found about halfway down this page. Quote Link to comment
+altree Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Beam me up Scotty, they have it figgured out Altree (you will not starve with a p38 and a can of food) Quote Link to comment
+Sissy-n-CR Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 My suspicions are it's a money grabbing venture. The videos I saw didn't show it rising up, just suspended there. Plus the fact they are selling plans and such to build your own and at a hefty price. I think it a scam. CR Quote Link to comment
+PDOP's Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Can this be powered from a cold fusion reactor? Quote Link to comment
+Squirrel Nut & Beersnob Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 I don't know about the site posted, but the *type* of device shown may not be a hoax. See this article]in the Detroit News. Looks like Purdue University built something similar. I walk the Maze of Moments, but everywhere I turn to, begins a new beginning, but never finds a finish... -Enya, Anywhere Is Quote Link to comment
+CYBret Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 I first heard about this on the ol' Art Bell show, so you know it has to be true! Bret "The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again." Mt. 13:44 Quote Link to comment
+Sissy-n-CR Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 The high schooler's video is much more convincing. I'm still skeptical about that first site's motives. Probably trying to make a fast buck off those kid's work. CR Quote Link to comment
shrekTBA Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 that sure looks like a box kite to me. cool one, but still to good to be true. wouldn't trade my etrex for one of em. It's not a sport unless there is something dead in the back of the truck when you get home. Quote Link to comment
+sbthomas Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 The effect is real and nothing new. The science is weak at best. What they are demonstrating is almost certainly ion wind. I first read about ion wind "lifters" in popular science back in the sixties: http://www.rexresearch.com/desev/desev.htm This was before I learned physics. The suggestion that their machine is providing thrust without expelling mass is not credible. I am assuming, of course, that their machine is not pushing or pulling on another mass as opposed to expelling mass. For example, hanging from a string. Even the more far fetched hypothesis that the electric field fo the machine is interacting with the earth's magnetic field still requires the earth to push on. Next they'll be selling a perpetual motion machine. Quote Link to comment
? Posted February 18, 2003 Author Share Posted February 18, 2003 This is a real effect and an unexplained one, both NASA and BOEING are doing research into "Lifter" technology. As to current physics - yes it cant explain it but we have to remember that current research shows that the matter we know about in the universe can be compared to impurities when compared with all the matter (dark matter) that exists. Who knows what this effect is working against? Ion wind is a possibility but does not explain all of how a "lifter" works?? Truly Amazing science.. Quote Link to comment
+ScottJ Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Truly amazing that people will buy into snake oil like this...makes me think I'm in the wrong business and should start selling magic elixirs. P.T. Barnum was right. -- Scott Johnson (ScottJ) Quote Link to comment
+Nurse Dave Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 This type of technology has been around since I was a kid. Remember Weebles? They wobble, but they don't fall down. ---Real men cache in shorts. Quote Link to comment
+Sluggo Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 You humans amaze me….. actually I mean you amuse me. So we left one of our little devices behind (out of carelessness no doubt) and you pick it up and think you have violated the laws of physics. On Trafalmadore we discovered (what you are referring to as) Biefeld-Brown effect about 62.5 dracmarz ago (one dracmarz roughly equals 3.512 centuries Earth time, if you correct for space-time dipping near the event horizon). The thing is… (and this is what makes me laugh) we use that thing to prevent build-up of charge on the lepton nets that contain our pets. (A lepton net is sort of like a kennel that you can take with you in up to 9 dimensions). So now here are you silly human dragging around a really low-tech household tool (Trafalmadorian household that is) and acting like you got a rocket ship for your birthday. The only comparison I can come up with in terms you can understand, it’s like you left a pooper-scooper in the park and some guy comes along and uses it for a bicycle. I a little rushed right now, but I’ll get back to you in a few days ago. (Boy… your linear time drives me crazy, I never know if I am coming or going). Later (or before), Sluggo This 'flying saucer' situation is not at all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious. - Gen. Nathan Twining Chief of Staff, US Air Force, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Quote Link to comment
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