Complaint Dept!!

August 18, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Snoogans:

That was not a complaint. Please complain about something or this thread will get locked.

I would like to formally complain about people who don't complain on this thread.

2.6k · August 18, 2003

A frickin' newby picked a fight with me then called me childish and petty.

I'm not petty!

POWDER!!!!!!

1.4k · August 19, 2003

What really bugs me are threads that are moderated by slapping them shut. Oh wait -- that's not moderation -- moderation is keeping the discussion on track and civil. Closing them is something entirely different. My mistake.

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1.6k · August 19, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jomarac5:

What really bugs me are threads that are moderated by (URL removed) Oh wait -- that's not moderation -- moderation is keeping the discussion on track and civil. Closing them is something entirely different. My mistake.

Did you say you were cruisin for a bruisin?

Or is that my hearin I'm losin?

1.6k · August 19, 2003

If it's progress you seek, stop looking backwards...

1.4k · August 19, 2003

quote:
Canadazuuk wrote:
Did you say you were cruisin for a bruisin?

Now there's some civility. You should apply to be a moderator Zuuky.

*****

1.6k · August 19, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jomarac5:

Now there's some civility. You should apply to be a moderator Zuuky.

Moderators, if any were warranted, would be nominated.

I am not seeking nomination, unlike the honorable member above me.

2.3k · August 19, 2003

I would complain that the last thread was locked as I was writing a lengthy reply, which of course was lost...

Therefore I will complain about wasting my time!

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Free your mind and the rest will follow

2.1k · August 19, 2003

I don't think moderators would be a nominated feat. (unless they made it that way) I would think they(Groundspeak) would elect those who they feel would do the service justly. And it probably would not be any of us...lol

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

1.6k · August 19, 2003

I too lost my reply as the thread was closed.

As best I can recall, here it is:

This is not your playground.

a) You are not a child. You do not need a playground.

This is my playground. Go and get your own.

c) This is someone else's playground. I am keeping it for them.

d) The difference between playing and groundspeaking is lost on you. If you keep playing, you will not be able to Groundspeak.

e) There is no playground. There is an opportunity. You can freely choose what to do with it. I am here only to remind you that you have a choice.

August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jomarac5:
Consider the group that have posted replies to http://ubbx.Groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4016058331&m=62760387 this morning. None of them posted anything of any relevance to the topic -- only flamed me for bringing up the subject. It's exactly the kind of adolescent mentality I was referring to.

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Jomarac5, I agree with you. Case on point:

On a recent thread about a problem with a cache pirate, you made 7 posts. Of these only two of them were even remotely on topic. The balance had your typical smart **s juvenile comments as follows:

“Obviously, you don't know that we have Seneca on our side.”
“You're getting a bit too worked up -- “
“I liked the way that you emphasized *feel* with the asterisks. That looks really cool.”
“I think you did win. The asterisks really do emphasize much better. *I like 'em*.”
“quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dinoprophet wrote:

Should be:

*I* think you *did* win. The asterisks really *do* emphasize *much* better.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Of course, *you* are correct here”
“Hmmm... Johnny Depp *and* James Garner -- now *that* would make one heck of an interestng episode of The Rockford Files. It's been nice chatting with with you guys, but I've gotta go... I'll check back later in the day to see what new words are being *emphasized*.”

Your posts actually resulted in a diverted conversation on preferred methods of emphasis when posting. I’m now watching the Cache Pirate thread in hope for some good follow-up ideas on scenarios for Rockford File episodes. Can you spell Hypocrite?

You are right, more active moderation would be great.

I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me.

[This message was edited by seneca on August 21, 2003 at 08:45 AM.]

3k · August 21, 2003

My complaint:

morons

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Caching without a clue....

1.4k · August 21, 2003

Hydee always gets the *best* last lines.

quote:
Hydee wrote:
Looks as if this topic just took it's final step off the plank. Let's hope there are not any Croc's waiting.

Personally, Hydee, I would have used more emphasis on the word *final*. But nonetheless, this one is probably my favourite last lines of all.

*****

2.1k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jomarac5:
Hydee always gets the *best* last lines.

quote:
Hydee wrote:
Looks as if this topic just took it's final step off the plank. Let's hope there are not any Croc's waiting.

_Personally, Hydee, I would have used more emphasis on the word *final*. But nonetheless, this one is probably my favourite last lines of all._

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Yeah, but no one must of told her that Crocs eat frogs....

My complaint is when people post something and tell the admin to close it please so you can't rebut...

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

1.4k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Woodsters wrote:
My complaint is when people post something and tell the admin to close it please so you can't rebut...

Ya, that bugs me too. You've gotta be real quick to get your last licks in, especially once Hydee has given the *You've been warned* notification.

*****

[This message was edited by Jomarac5 on August 21, 2003 at 01:19 PM.]

August 21, 2003

OK then, rebut. The pirate thread was interesting(including your opinion) until it veered off-topic. Thats why it needed closed.

9.4k · August 21, 2003

Threads shouldn't need closing. When interest fades in the topic, it will move down the list. As fewer people see it, fewer people will click on it. That's the natural selection as it applies to threads.

Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness

August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:
Threads shouldn't need closing. When interest fades in the topic, it will move down the list. As fewer people see it, fewer people will click on it. That's the natural selection as it applies to threads.

YOu're probably right,what I should have said is Hydee didnt close the post because I said to, but because it had veered off-topic, and it couldnt be brought back on topic

August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:
Threads shouldn't need closing. When interest fades in the topic, it will move down the list. As fewer people see it, fewer people will click on it. That's the natural selection as it applies to threads.

Even worse are people who demand a subject be closed instead of just ignoring it. If you don't like it, go away! Find a thread that settles your rumbling bowels and hang out there. If you're enjoying it, pray continue!

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You have the right to defend yourself, even when geocaching!

2.1k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by mckee:
Even worse are people who demand a subject be closed instead of just ignoring it. If you don't like it, go away! Find a thread that settles your rumbling bowels and hang out there. If you're enjoying it, pray continue!

ok mckee...now we are agreeing!...lol

Cincinnati bearcaches...if you want to talk stats and obviously you throw the number of finds in there ...lets see...you average 9 a month and I average what..17 ?

And thats with me posting on here 16 times as much as you in 5 less months....

Therefore I've wasted a lot more time in a couple months than you have posting, but you have wasted more time not finding caches in a longer period of time..hah!

Not sure that is good for either one of us, but oh well!

Arrrgh!

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

1.1k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:
Threads shouldn't need closing. When interest fades in the topic, it will move down the list. As fewer people see it, fewer people will click on it. That's the natural selection as it applies to threads.

You'd think so. However lately (like this thread) people will take a topic that has died and bring it to the top by posting something completely off topic, restarting the post on a topic that doesn't relate to the original. Then you have two topic being discussed and so on, ad nauseum.

My other favorite is two buddies with an axe to grind replying to each other's posts to keep a topic hardly cared about to others at the top of the list. That one is golden.

No more generic complaint threads. Time to retire this one.

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy (Admin):

quote:
Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:
Threads shouldn't need closing. When interest fades in the topic, it will move down the list. As fewer people see it, fewer people will click on it. That's the natural selection as it applies to threads.

You'd think so. However lately (like this thread) people will take a topic that has died and bring it to the top by posting something completely off topic, restarting the post on a topic that doesn't relate to the original. Then you have two topic being discussed and so on, ad nauseum.

My other favorite is two buddies with an axe to grind replying to each other's posts to keep a topic hardly cared about to others at the top of the list. That one is golden.

No more generic complaint threads. Time to retire this one.

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

Another reason might be wanting to get the last word in.

1.1k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by SamLowrey:
Another reason might be wanting to get the last word in.

That's true (getting the last word in. Not really, this can continue as long as it is lighthearted complaining.)

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

August 21, 2003

sorry, Jeremy, but in response to Woodsters(My last I swear). And I really dont want this to bleed any more to other topics...

The point of my initial comment on the pirate post was that in one thread you had over 40 posts when at the same time you were saying not to reply, because it entices him..

As far as the post to finds..That was tongue in cheek. I had joked in the past that I try to keep under a 1 to 1 ratio..Time to find more caches so I can continue to post. I am out...

1.4k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Seneca wrote:
Can you spell Hypocrite?

Please see my reply here.

*****

1.1k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Cincinnati Bearcaches:
sorry, Jeremy, but in response to Woodsters(My last I swear). And I really dont want this to bleed any more to other topics...

If you're squirming in your seat to respond, just click on his name and respond to him.

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy (Admin):

quote:
Originally posted by Cincinnati Bearcaches:
sorry, Jeremy, but in response to Woodsters(My last I swear). And I really dont want this to bleed any more to other topics...

If you're squirming in your seat to respond, just click on his name and respond to him.

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

I dont want to invite Woodsters to start invading my e-mail the same as he does the message boards

Dont know how I let myself get sucked into the flame war..It wont happen again

2.1k · August 21, 2003

LOL...it's no flame war...at least not on my side...it was all in good fun....

ARGGHHH!

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

1.1k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Woodsters Outdoors:
LOL...it's no flame war...at least not on my side...it was all in good fun....

Did I stutter?

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

1.7k · August 21, 2003

N-n-n-n-no.

ObComplaint: people who stutter.

pirate.cgi.gif

1.4k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Cincinnati Bearcaches wrote:
I dont want to invite Woodsters to start invading my e-mail...

If you truly are as uptight about this as you seem -- and I don't mean this in an insulting way, take some time away from the forums doing something that you enjoy -- sometimes it really helps to relax and put things in their proper perspective.

We've been plagued over the past few weeks with an atrocious and catastrophic forest fire problem in BC that has escalated in the past few days to levels never seen here before -- if things get much worse, we may not be placing caches in several areas for years to come. People are running for their lives and property is being destroyed at an alarming rate. I have many family members and friends who live in these fire areas and they're packing up what they can and heading into an unknown future -- and you think you've got problems?

Cache pirates pale in comparison -- but they have also offered a little comic relief to our day.

And Woodsters is not that bad. He's does have some bang on observations but is still carrying the discussion on a bit too far, but give him a break, he's getting better.

(No offense intended Woodsters).

*****

2.1k · August 21, 2003

"*NONE*" t-t-t-t-taken Jo5

Brian

As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump

1.1k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jomarac5:

...

Here's a complaint: how someone venting about how the forums are unmoderated continues on a tangent even after several warnings.

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

1.4k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Jeremy wrote:
how someone venting about how the forums are unmoderated continues on a tangent even after several warnings.

Warnings? From who? The Cheers crowd? I didn't get any warnings from you either, on the forums of by e-mail.

This is a great forum here -- but it runs rampant quite a lot -- and that's whether I'm here or not. And with moderation, the results of good discussions could help caching advance greatly, and flaring tempers could be avoided. Consider this thread by Pantalaimon -- it also went off topic but by self-moderating the forum himself, he managed to keep the discussion on-topic and got a reasonable answer to his question from you. Moderation may not have got him that answer any quicker, but I'll bet that if these forums were better moderated, the purposefully off-topic posts would lessen greatly.

As I've mentioned in a previous discussion, it's about respect, nearly everyone here, including yourself and myself, has engaged in petty exchanges -- and that makes it difficult to nurture respect in an environment that should be used pretty much exclusively for discussing ideas, concepts and problems to help to better the activity that we all enjoy. It's nearly impossible to carry on a serious discussion here because the norm of the day is to interupt and disrupt. I'm not denying that I don't engage in this any less than you or anyone else does -- sometimes it's easy to get caught up in it.

I still stand behind the post that you quoted. It's easy for any honest person to see that these forums are not well moderated -- and to set something straight about that discussion -- I never suggested that the each forum post needs to be scrutinized before posting. That would be silly. Forum moderation is not censorship -- it's about keeping discussion going in a civil manner -- forum moderation is difficult -- heck, it's nearly an artform. Jeremy, I'd be happy to discuss what I know about it if you would like to do so privately. I doubt that we could have an uninterupted discussion about it in a public forum.

There are a lot of powerful egos in these discussion forums and that's not necessarily a bad thing -- it spurns creative solutions to difficult problems. But it also brings a lot of "Your opinions don't mean squat" attitudes. All I'm asking for is for people in these forums to put that aside on the topics that are directed at serious concerns -- the ones that effect us all. How else can we make this activity better?

If you'd prefer that I stop posting for a while, let me know and I'll be fine with that. But I think ignoring the moderation problems will only delay the advancements of this activity.

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1.1k · August 21, 2003

Here's another warning. If the redirection of this topic continues, I'm locking it.

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

August 21, 2003

Is forum for everyone or just ye landlubbin' cur?

August 21, 2003

Here's ye complaint. How can ye find a treasure without a map? If'n ye close all ye forums, and lock me out, I can tell ye where the treasure is.

1.4k · August 21, 2003

I want to complain about nothing at the moment.

When in doubt...hit it with a big hammer.

1.7k · August 21, 2003

I want to complain about nothing too. Nothing worth reading in the forums, that is.

pirate.cgi.gif

August 21, 2003

Look at it this way, Jeremy, if this whole geocaching thing doesn't work out for you, you will have a lot of experience as a kindergarten teacher. Oh, that isn't what you signed up for?

Well, who do YOU get to complain to?

Ever notice how anyone that caches more than you do is a maniac, while anyone that caches less than you do is an idiot? -Dru Morgan

5.9k · August 21, 2003

This is on topic: I would like to complain about the low tolerance for humor lately. I don’t buy the cliché “we’ve been getting complaints” line either. So what?

http://fp1.centurytel.net/Criminal_Page/

1.6k · August 21, 2003

My complaint

There was a warning in recent times about suspension from the forums for specific types of behaviour being displayed via posts.

To my knowledge, there have been no suspensions.

And yet rampant keystroke pollution carries on, *even* despite merciful warnings within specific threads.

Now, I believe in self moderation as a first resort, and thread closing as a last resort. I am not always right, and I am certainly sometimes wrong. But I refuse to let an exploded ego and pail of pride direct me over the cliff. (Although I have posted on a cache page about jumping off of one.)

To that end, and due to being implicated in axe-grindings to a lesser extent, I have reached the following conclusion:

quote:
canadazuuk will self impose a thirty day ban on further posts by himself within the general forum, effective August 22, 2003 at 00:01

Thank you in advance

8.4k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by canadazuuk:
_My complaint_

There was a warning in recent times about suspension from the forums for specific types of behaviour being displayed via posts.

To my knowledge, there have been no suspensions.

And yet rampant keystroke pollution carries on, *even* despite merciful warnings within specific threads.

Now, I believe in self moderation as a first resort, and thread closing as a last resort. I am not always right, and I am certainly sometimes wrong. But I refuse to let an exploded ego and pail of pride direct me over the cliff. (Although I have posted on a cache page about jumping off of one.)

To that end, and due to being implicated in axe-grindings to a lesser extent, I have reached the following conclusion:

quote:
_canadazuuk will self impose a thirty day ban on further posts by himself within the general forum, effective August 22, 2003 at 00:01_

Thank you in advance

OK, the Apocalyps is just around the corner because I have begun to think like Zuuk. OK, not JUST like Zuuk, but along the same lines.

To stay on topic, I would like to complain that Zuuk has not always been the traditional wet blanket of late and that upsets my order of the universe.

I will be looking foreword to your return Zuuk and I may even join you, but more for the reasons that Criminal stated in his complaint.

Time to hide and find some caches........

I hope my a$$ groove on the stool, at the end of the bar, doesn't disappear if I do take a break.

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

3k · August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Dru Morgan:
Look at it this way, Jeremy, if this whole geocaching thing doesn't work out for you, you will have a lot of experience as a kindergarten teacher. Oh, that isn't what you signed up for?

Well, who do YOU get to complain to?

Right on and very funny in a sad way.

I would have to guess that he complains to his wife since she would be the next one up that ladder.

My next complaint is:

morons.

Oh I made that one already but the fact of the matter is that all the morons know who they are and they could set things right around here but choose not to for some reason. Well if they don't know who they are, everyone else does.

next complaint:

having poison ivy on my darn feet. Its quite horrible.

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Caching without a clue....

August 21, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Edward Teach:
Here's ye complaint. How can ye find a treasure without a map? If'n ye close all ye forums, and lock me out, I can tell ye where the treasure is.

Hmmmm. I wish to complain about your beard.

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You have the right to defend yourself, even when geocaching!

1.4k · August 21, 2003

I want to complain about broccoli

When in doubt...hit it with a big hammer.

1.4k · August 22, 2003

I hate thread topics like these:

Do you think....

Would it be tacky...

How much stuff...

Green...

The most uninformative thread title is...

I hate them. If you post something to talk about... don't make people read the first post before they have the slightest clue what it's going to be about. I reserve the right to have done this in the past and hate myself for it.

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trippy1976 - Team KKF2A

Assimilating golf balls - one geocache at a time.

1.4k · August 22, 2003

I hate...

When in doubt...hit it with a big hammer.

1.4k · August 22, 2003

Are we still on topic?

When in doubt...hit it with a big hammer.

August 22, 2003

OK I have a complaint. Why do we have these old message boards and not chat rooms?

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