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Originally posted by LongDogs:

While I'd like to see http://www.geocaching.com on it, I'd be wary of using it for fear of future legal entanglements.


 

For me it wouldn't be a legal issue, but if your intent is to make a logo that can be in the public domain and used by everyone, you should leave it off. That way people can put their own URL on their own derivations of your design. It may also confuse people into thinking that the product was in some way endorsed by the web site.

 

Just a thought, but it seems that most of these designs are using the 4 box logo as a start. Why not use a grid pattern, or a compass rose, or something else as a base? Shouldn't it be completely original?

 

Jeremy Irish

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Please offer an example. Who are these people and who we have offered permission and then revoked that permission? As far as I know there is one case where we indicated that no more coins be made with the coin design originally approved (but I believe the current batch has been allowed).

Just out of interest - I also received permission to use a modified GC logo for a set of die cast keyrings that I planned on creating - were you planning on contacting everyone who had received permission to use a modified design to let them know not to use it? Or is it up to us to read the forums to avoid court battles? (Not that it matters, as I did not end up minting the keyrings, but it would be nice to know if I ever did decide to go ahead with it)

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I obtained some geochips from a user of this site. They were made by a company that makes casino poker chips.

 

I would suggest that we consider this route rather than coins as these are obviously less expensive (thus more people could use them) and are able to be marked.

 

The original user could put their Handle and perhaps the name of the cache on the chip using a Sharpie which wouldn't mark a coin very well.

 

These chips have turned out to be pretty nice even though they were not the most high end option in the line.

 

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Just a thought, but it seems that most of these designs are using the 4 box logo as a start. Why not use a grid pattern, or a compass rose, or something else as a base? Shouldn't it be completely original?


 

I agree that it should be original. That is part of why I was suggesting the compass rose. I also suggested a "wireframe" earth of just lat-long lines as a background or element, but don't have enough talent or tools to come up with that.

 

All things said, I don't want to sound opposed to Groundspeak, or like I want to harm them in any way. I would, however, like to see somebody able to make and sell geocoins that are at least somehow connected to the sport/game/community.

 

I'd love to see what Groundspeak is coming up with, and will not likely do anything until then. Still, a "public domain" logo seems apealing, should I every want to produce anything that would cost enough I'd need to sell some to recoup my expenses. (Team or localized hats, shirts, or geocoins, for example.) Around my area, I can't see any one person fronting the cost for something for everyone on the team or in the state, etc. without getting reimbursed.

 

[This message was edited by LongDogs on October 06, 2002 at 09:45 PM.]

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You're right. You can't. So are you indicating that it is in some way my fault?

 

As for your #1, I'm not sure where you got your information. Did a government official leak that it won't be licensed?


 

Wasn't trying to fault anyone. I, and I hope everyone here, greatly appreciates everything you do for the geocaching community and through the geocaching.com site. I was just stating what I understood to be the case from reading the forums. Also, on the 2nd remark, it is my understanding that a customized (ie derivitive work) version of the logo cannot be licensed. That is what I was referencing there.

 

[This message was edited by LongDogs on October 06, 2002 at 09:50 PM.]

 

[This message was edited by LongDogs on October 06, 2002 at 09:50 PM.]

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mmm... I like the opposite color deal going on there with the interior and outer rim there - I should have thought of that with the one I did up there. I'm not a very color minded person. I barely like the colors I used - I'm afraid pastels are beyond my personal pain threshold. icon_biggrin.gif

 

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Originally posted by brdad:

OK, maybe I was wrong. I don't think we will accept all ideas .... while rubber toes and nekkid squirrels may show the diversity of geocachers, I do not think they portray what geocaching or any logo associated with it is!

And Pubo, glad to see you found someone you could trust to lend your goods to. icon_biggrin.gif


 

Shhh! You'll just encourage him...er..me.

What if I added Warm Fuzzies feet?

 

Back to the logo, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the in spite of Jeremy taking some of the responsibility, I don't see how any of this can be rested on his shoulders. I feel for FISUR (ObClinton: "I feel your pain") and would ask that those of us who feel sorry for the guy send him a buck via paypal to cover his loss of the further use of the die.

 

I may have read this here at one point, but I once heard that if you stripped Coke of all it's tangible assets, all it's trucks, buildings, bottling plants..etc. If you just left them with the logo, they'd still be worth a BILLION dollars.

 

The very fact that everyone wants to use the logo that Jeremy (had?) designed, reflects it's monetary value.

If the law tells him to draw lines in the sand, his hands are tied.

 

All of this points to a very real need for a free for all logo, even if it winds up selling gas on the corner.

 

How about a guy tripping over a stump with little "alarmed" lines sticking out above his head?

Or a logbook/pen/GPS combo in a logo...

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Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:

Just a thought, but it seems that most of these designs are using the 4 box logo as a start. Why not use a grid pattern, or a compass rose, or something else as a base? Shouldn't it be completely original?

 

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location


 

I used that 4 color design to show some kind of relationship to the currently used Geocaching/Groundspeak logo, and I like the other logos that people have come up with also using 4 colors. Using 4 colors like that is not original to Groundspeak either...

 

BTW, I used the compass rose as a base and added the 4 colors. icon_biggrin.gif

 

Groover

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Originally posted by Groover:

Using 4 colors like that is not original to Groundspeak either...

 

BTW, I used the compass rose as a base and added the 4 colors. icon_biggrin.gif


 

Here's my argument. You're indicating that the logo you design "shows some kind of relationship" to the existing logo, which basically means it is a derivative of that logo. As I am not a lawyer my theory may not be right, but there may be a legal case against it, so why risk it?

 

If I created a graphical OS and made a 4 box "windows" logo describing my OS, I may have a problem with Microsoft (if that's where you're heading). However, this isn't an OS. And you're applying a well-known idea in the same activity (geocaching) with your own "new" logo. So folks like Lindows create their own, original, logo to describe their system.

 

Simply put, there are other symbols that involve Geocaching. Topographic maps, globes, satellites, people hiking -> any of these could be used to symbolize the sport. Why copy when you can innovate?

 

Jeremy Irish

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OF the entries so far, I vote for Travisl's or LongDog's. Jeremy's is too complicated to be reproduced on anything but metal. I am a poker chip or wooden nickel hold out. Coins that cost as much as some of them do are just not in the budget.

 

I am also carrying on with the hunt for a good signature item. Found some horn coral at a rock show here in town that looks promising. Also found a supply of petrified wood as trade items that might be useful. Would anyone object to finding a piece of either in their cache?

 

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[This message was edited by bigredmed on October 07, 2002 at 05:43 AM.]

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I kept noticing that the designs included satellites and GPSs, but seem to leave out the other critical part of our hobby, the Web.

 

My thought was to use WWW for the West symbol on a compass-style face. You might also use a satellite silhouette for the East sysmbol.

 

As far as North and South...any thoughts?

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Originally posted by travisl:

Here's one I threw together. Somebody with more skill than me can probably improve on it. It uses the unofficial ''second place'' logo from http://opentopic.Groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000917383&m=6200908383. I hereby release this image into the public domain.

 

http://www.drizzle.com/~travisl/geologo.gif

 


Nice one!

 

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Originally posted by Dawgies:

 

What you're creating here is a logo for a group of people that has no weight. It won't be tied to an established organization, so therefore it won't be recognized as legit. Political weight stems from sheer numbers and money.

 

not tying it to an "established" organization is the point... as far as your comment as to the fact that it wont be recognized as legit.... dude, wake up, WE are the only people who need to recognize it as legit... is there some other "governing" body that has to recognize this. WE make it legit, not anyone else. you hit the nail on the head. political weight stems from sheer numbers. your comments seem somewhat confused. do you think that geocaching.com is some kind of political organization? its an enterprise. HELLO?

 

I'll stick with my Geocaching.com club membership, logo and my personal key to the "members only" mensroom.

 

 

we will all stick with our memberships but we want a logo that is representative of geocaching, not "geocaching.com." as a community, we derive our power not from the club membership but from our group. we just happen to use the forums as one of our "federal halls" where we get together to talk about our issues. as far as the geocaching.com logo. go ahead and use it, no one is twisting your arm to use ours, frankly, we dont care if you think our logo is legit or not.

 

SR and dboggny. my mother in law rides a broom!

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There have been a number of good ideas for logos. How about one of the lawyers give us some ground rules as to how these may be officially submitted to the public domain so we can use them?

 

I realize that by posting them to this forum, you are implicitly doing so, but I would hate to be in Team FISUR's shoes right now with one of the new logos (die set up costs are not cheap.)

 

Good job everyone!

 

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Just a thought - where the round logo is concerned, is it possible for Groundspeak to license the three quarters of the logo, leaving the bottom RH quarter open for 'approved, licensed, dirivatives'? Looks like FISUR, Newman, and Mr. Gigabyte all use the same dirivative of the Geocaching logo with the exception of the bottom RH quarter.

 

I think that would be a benefit to Groundspeak by making it simpler to approve and license dirivatives and have a commonality between all personal geocoins. It would maintain the 'Pristine' requirement by making the other three quarters untouchable. In addition, it's a benefit to the individuals because it's very simple, allows creative dirivatives within boundaries, and any time there are a lot of different issues of something similar - it becomes COLLECTABLE!

 

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Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:

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Originally posted by GrizzlyJohn:

Several statements are made about “express written consent” and also there is a mention of “paying a developer’s license fee” and “commercial license”. It seems like the offer to allow people to do exactly what they have done and have since been told they can not do is right there. They asked, they were given permission.


 

Please offer an example. Who are these people and who we have offered permission and then revoked that permission? As far as I know there is one case where we indicated that no more coins be made with the coin design originally approved (but I believe the current batch has been allowed). Another commercial venture selling state coins with the Geocaching logo never received consent to mint their coins. At all. Period.

 

The section you quoted was in regard to having someone "commercially exploit" the Geocaching.com logo. For example, creating a geocoin site that sells coins for a profit without permission. Seems right that someone planning to exploit a design by someone else should ask them first, and in some cases pay a license fee to use that logo.

 

I work better with tangible examples. If you have one, please submit it.

 

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location


 

I think the Team FISUR situation is the prime example. They went through the hoops, were given permission and then were told they could not do it any longer. I don’t want to speak for them but I don’t think they would have gone ahead and had dies made if they thought their production was only going to be limited to their initial 100. The TX coins are another situation again. But that is a little more complicated because they did not have permission and there was commerce involved. It was wrong not to get permission.

 

It is way more than right that if someone is exploiting your design and trademark they should first obtain permission and perhaps that even you should be compensated. I don’t think anyone here would say otherwise.

 

But on the one hand you say that you can not allow your logo to be modified then you point to usage guidelines which state that it is possible if one gets permission and perhaps may also have to pay a fee. Which is it?

 

Again I would ask what are those fees? What are the conditions of use? How can they be obtained? What rights will you retain so you may at some point in the future revoke what was granted? This addresses either if someone wants to use the design as is or modified (which for the life of me I don’t see a difference) or if they want to produce the items only for their use or to sell in some way. If it is licensed you are still given protection of your trademark.

 

If I wanted to address what I thought was a market for a product of some kind that utilized or modified your property I would expect to do that to make a profit. I would also expect that you should profit from that as well. I make a little you make a little all is well. This is money you would not have otherwise realized because you did not seek out this market. Specific examples might be tee shirts for a club that modifies your logo. I would expect that the club would have to charge to cover those expenses and perhaps may even use it to raise funds. But this would not be allowed.

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Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:

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Originally posted by LongDogs:

Right now, because of this dispute, I can't. Right now, it can only be done if (1) the current logo licensed by Groundspeak, (and indications are that it won't be licensed,) or


 

As for your #1, I'm not sure where you got your information. Did a government official leak that it won't be licensed?

 

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location


 

I think that feeling comes from your response that you can’t allow your logo to be modified. Again I would point out that it is on the usage guidelines that permission needs to be obtained and if one wants to modify it then there may be a fee involved.

 

But the message to Team FISUR was to stop using it even after permission was granted. The message was not that a licensing deal needs to be discussed.

 

Again it is Team FISUR's battle to fight but I would have to ask after seeing their design would you issue a license to them? What would be the costs? What other terms would be involved?

 

If it is not your intent to allow for those things to occur then the phrasing on the usage guidelines should be changed. Take out all references to written permission and developer’s fees and the like. Yes technically what is said is true you need permission and permission will not be granted so it can’t be done. Don’t dangle a carrot out there if there is no intention to go through with it.

 

It is obvious that you will allow some of that to occur already. Look at web sites and some of the people’s sigs right here in this thread. There are many variations on the colors, shape and drawings used from your logo. Yes these people are not using it for commercial gain. But licensing will protect you and the user. It just seems like from the current tone that licensing will not be coming. Correct me if I am wrong.

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Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:

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Originally posted by LongDogs:

While I'd like to see http://www.geocaching.com on it, I'd be wary of using it for fear of future legal entanglements.


 

For me it wouldn't be a legal issue ...

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location


 

Not for you, not for now. But wait unitl someone produces something using it and the lawyers get involved.

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Originally posted by SR & dboggny:

 

... as far as your comment as to the fact that it wont be recognized as legit.... dude, wake up, WE are the only people who need to recognize it as legit... is there some other "governing" body that has to recognize this. WE make it legit, not anyone else.

 

we will all stick with our memberships but we want a logo that is representative of geocaching, not "geocaching.com." as a community, we derive our power not from the club membership but from our group. we just happen to use the forums as one of our "federal halls" where we get together to talk about our issues. as far as the geocaching.com logo. go ahead and use it, no one is twisting your arm to use ours, frankly, we dont care if you think our logo is legit or not.

 

SR and dboggny. my mother in law rides a broom!


 

I agree with this 100%. We could tiptoe around legal issues forever & just end up with a whole lot of mud slinging. Lets get a logo together, that all can use, without going thru all the garbage. Some folks have come up with some real nice ideas, & collectively, we can come up with a solution all can live with. It's a game for crying out loud. It's not a corporate takeover attempt. icon_frown.gif

 

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Originally posted by GrizzlyJohn:

 

I think the Team FISUR situation is the prime example.


 

Thanks. I'll repeat my response to this example.

 

1. 100 coins were authorized. I don't believe we're telling them not to use them. Nor did we indicate that an open license was given after the first 100.

 

2. We're planning to produce a die to help recoup the costs that Team FISUR had to pay for the first die created. We're not required to do so but we're doing it because we feel bad that the lawyers reversed our decision.

 

3. This is not a repeatable issue, since the new legal speak requires that the logo be "pristine". So no further issues like this will occur.

 

Since this is a nonrepeatable issue, it's a bad example. Give me a new scenario I can talk to.

 

Jeremy Irish

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As Jeremy mentioned, I am speaking with Bryan regarding the continued use of the logo and I am very optimistic that an equitable agreement can be reached that will allow sales of the TX Geocoin to resume.

 

Neuman

 

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[This message was edited by Neuman on October 07, 2002 at 03:07 PM.]

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Originally posted by GrizzlyJohn:

 

I think that feeling comes from your response that you can’t allow your logo to be modified.


 

Ah. I understand now. You were asking whether we would allow the existing designs to be sold. That would be a solid no, since no permission was granted in the first place. However, we're definitely open to the Texas Geocoin person to sell additional coins, once an acceptable design is made and minted.

 

I don't quite know where this example is headed. In this case:

 

1. Permission was not given to produce a coin with the Geocaching logo (or any derivative) and sell it.

 

2. Permission was not given to exploit the logo for commercial use.

 

3. Permission was not given to use a logo that I paid money to create, and that logo was exploited, as well as given the impression of being endorsed by geocaching.com

 

Any more examples?

 

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

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Originally posted by Neuman:

This, however, is a moot point. I just felt the need to repeat myself! icon_wink.gif


 

Seriously, Neuman. If you have a registered letter requesting permission, please reveal it. Regardless of whether you say you emailed the site, I have no record of it, nor do the folks who help me with emails. You flat out didn't receive permission. Lack of response from us in any case does not mean approval.

 

Jeremy Irish

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Originally posted by VentureForth:

Just a thought - where the round logo is concerned, is it possible for Groundspeak to license the three quarters of the logo, leaving the bottom RH quarter open for 'approved, licensed, dirivatives'?


 

I asked the lawyers this when we had our meeting about intellectual property protection. The answer was no, and no exceptions icon_frown.gif

 

Jeremy

 

Jeremy Irish

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Ok, I told myself I'd stay out of this and stop posting about it, especially since I have no immediate plans to produce anything.

 

However, I wanted to ask, just to clarify, that the logo can be incorporated into a design as long as the original logo remains pristine, right?

 

So you could have a 4-quad design if you want, with a small version of the Groundspeak logo in one quad, or with the logo small in the center and your custom stuff all around it, right? Or is that really a derivitive work also?

 

I'm just trying to fully understand the situation, and not jump to any false conclusions.

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Originally posted by LongDogs:

 

So you could have a 4-quad design if you want, with a small version of the Groundspeak logo in one quad, or with the logo small in the center and your custom stuff all around it, right? Or is that really a derivitive work also?


 

I'm using my deductive sense, and not legal speak, but I would think that if you created a logo and inside it was the Geocaching logo, it would still be considered a derivative. However I don't honestly know. We're working on creating some logo guidelines to allow you to associate a logo of your design with the 4-box, so you have some examples to work with. We're starting with associations and going from there.

 

Jeremy

 

Jeremy Irish

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I too have to admit that it seems to me that any design that incorporates the Groundspeak logo in any creative way would really be a derivitive work.

 

Sounds like the best bet all around would be to see if we could use the "shared" die and design our own mating die for the other face, and have only that side of the coin be unique.

 

Will you provide information on the die, availability, and costs, or name of the mint used, etc.?

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Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:

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Originally posted by GrizzlyJohn:

 

I think the Team FISUR situation is the prime example.


 

Thanks. I'll repeat my response to this example.

 

1. 100 coins were authorized. I don't believe we're telling them not to use them. Nor did we indicate that an open license was given after the first 100.

 

2. We're planning to produce a die to help recoup the costs that Team FISUR had to pay for the first die created. We're not required to do so but we're doing it because we feel bad that the lawyers reversed our decision.

 

3. This is not a repeatable issue, since the new legal speak requires that the logo be "pristine". So no further issues like this will occur.

 

Since this is a nonrepeatable issue, it's a bad example. Give me a new scenario I can talk to.

 

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location


I am at a disadvantage in using Team FISUR as an example. I don’t know what their intentions were. Although they have discussed here what they were using the coins for. There may or may not be more to it. I don’t know if their intention was at some point in the future to produce more coins. I suspect that it was. I also don’t know what permission they asked for and what permission they were granted. Again this is their ballpark to play in. But I think it is clear that they asked for and were granted something. That was an arrangement they had with you or more accurately the corporate body of Groundspeak, not your lawyers. I think it is a little cavalier to say you are producing a die to help recoup their costs even though you are not required to do so because you feel bad. Legally you may be on firm ground but I think we are all here trying to work as a team to promote and better the game/sport/hobby.

 

If the new legal speak requires a pristine logo will that change be indicated on the usage guidelines page? I would expect there would be no need to mention any type of modification and getting permission or paying fees because that is not possible.

 

The fact that you see this issue as being “nonrepeatable” does not make it a bad example. Between the time when this post started and now some things have changed. But I have seen at least one other post from someone that claims they were given permission to use a modified design of your logo. I don’t know how many more of those may be out there. Nor do I know what permission was asked for and what was given. I think this was a good example in that you clarified your position on the matter and helped at least me understand where you were trying to go to on this.

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I really like the one Gustaf came up with (not that my opinion counts for much).

 

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I have to agree, that one is really starting to take shape and looks pretty good.

 

The only thing I'd change is I think I'd rather it just say "geocaching" than "geocaching commumity".

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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:

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Originally posted by GrizzlyJohn:

 

I think that feeling comes from your response that you can’t allow your logo to be modified.


 

Ah. I understand now. You were asking whether we would allow the existing designs to be sold. That would be a solid no, since no permission was granted in the first place. However, we're definitely open to the Texas Geocoin person to sell additional coins, once an acceptable design is made and minted.

 

I don't quite know where this example is headed. In this case:

 

1. Permission was not given to produce a coin with the Geocaching logo (or any derivative) and sell it.

 

2. Permission was not given to exploit the logo for commercial use.

 

3. Permission was not given to use a logo that I paid money to create, and that logo was exploited, as well as given the impression of being endorsed by geocaching.com

 

Any more examples?

 

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location


 

I don’t think any more examples are necessary. I have always felt that if they did not receive permission (even if there was no response from you) that is wrong. It is your work, it is your property, and it is your right. And I fully support you in any effort you wish to make to derive or not derive profit from that.

 

I support you if you do not wish to allow the existing design to be sold. But I am just a little confused by your saying you are open to allowing it, “once an acceptable design is made and minted”. Are you saying that dies need to be cast and coins struck (and just to extend this to mean any sort of item) before you would be willing to say thumbs up or thumbs down? Is it your position that one would have to go through the entire expense of designing and producing an item before you would be willing to say yes or no on them being able to sell those items? Without very deep pockets to do all of that it would seem the door is pretty well closed.

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I just want to say that when I had my temporary tattoos of the geocaching logo made, Jeremy was MORE than cooperative.

 

He asked about my plans for the tattoos, I responded, and after a couple of emails back and forth to clarify things I was given permission. He even went a little further in his kindness, but I will hold that info between Jeremy and myself.

 

I just don't want people to think that Jeremy is an ogre for trying to protect what is his. I think that everyone here understands that, and that that is not the intent of this thread.

 

Having said that, I still like the idea of a free logo for all.

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Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:

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Originally posted by VentureForth:

Just a thought - where the round logo is concerned, is it possible for Groundspeak to license the three quarters of the logo, leaving the bottom RH quarter open for 'approved, licensed, dirivatives'?


 

I asked the lawyers this when we had our meeting about intellectual property protection. The answer was no, and no exceptions icon_frown.gif

 

Jeremy

 

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location


 

If that is the case I would get new lawyers. I will again point back to my example of major league sports team logos. I have seen so many derivatives of these logos that if your lawyers are saying by allowing the licensing of derived work yours would fall into the public domain then it would seem to follow that all sports teams logos are in the public domain. I am willing to say there is no major league sports logo that is in the public domain. I would guess that the licensing agreements between major league sports teams and those that license from them is bigger than most city phonebooks. But I think it is that way to spell out all of these issues. The lawyers work for you. If you want to allow this to happen make them figure out a way to make it so. This is not groundbreaking legal work being done here.

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Originally posted by LongDogs:

I have to agree, that one is really starting to take shape and looks pretty good.

 

The only thing I'd change is I think I'd rather it just say "geocaching" than "geocaching commumity".


 

I like this logo too. You can change the text to "geocaching" but once Jeremy gets that word approved as a trademark (not sure if it isn't already), wouldn't it also have to be removed?

Would it still have to be removed if it remains as "Geocaching Community"?

 

May I also make a suggestion to Gustaf - change the font to a sans-serif font as it is easier to see when small. People will want to reproduce the logo both big and small. So a high-res version would be useful too.

 

Groover

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Originally posted by LongDogs:

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I really like the one Gustaf came up with (not that my opinion counts for much).


I have to agree, that one is really starting to take shape and looks pretty good.

 

The only thing I'd change is I think I'd rather it just say "geocaching" than "geocaching commumity".


 

Yup - that one gets my vote so far... and I think the "community" part was added just as filler, so that the top edge of the rim wouldn't appear empty compared to the bottom part. That'd make for an awesome coin or patch.

 

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Originally posted by GrizzlyJohn:

I am just a little confused by your saying you are open to allowing it, “once an acceptable design is made and minted”.


 

What I'm saying is that the design I indicated in a previous post is an example of the one we will be casting for folks to use for their own personal geocoins. As long as they request permission we will grant it for small runs. I didn't say anywhere that derivitive works would be acceptable. Apparently I wasn't as clear as I had hoped.

 

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If the new legal speak requires a pristine logo will that change be indicated on the usage guidelines page?

 

Have you even read the logo usage guidelines? I feel like I'm writing but you're reading what you like. Verbatim:

 

"Any reprinting, sublicensing, copying, modifying, publishing, assignment, transfer, sales, or other distribution of the Groundspeak Geocaching logos contained within this website or any other website is strictly prohibited without the prior written consent of Groundspeak."

 

Why would I modify it when it is already well-written?

 

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But I have seen at least one other post from someone that claims they were given permission to use a modified design of your logo. I don’t know how many more of those may be out there.

 

You're right. And we will be rectifying this as we go. It is pretty clear that in the future no permission will be given. That is why the example is moot. You're arguing for future designs, not current ones.

 

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I will again point back to my example of major league sports team logos.

 

You can do this all you want. The difference here is that the sport team logos were licensed, meaning legal documents were forged to allow variations on a protected trademark. You're confusing a blanket approval for anyone to cut up a trademark and use it for whatever purpose they wish, with a well structured licensing arrangement between two companies.

 

If you wish to discuss this further offline, feel free. I'm ceasing discussion in the forums since I believe I have been about as clear as I can. Also people probably want to get back to their logo design.

 

My recommendation would be to change the quote to "The world is our game board." I happen to like the Geocaching community text better.

 

Jeremy

 

Jeremy Irish

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

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Here's a logo to use on your friends when think they aren't quite interested enough in geocaching. I plan on having my wife stare at it a while when she gets home tonight... maybe I'll have a hunting partner by tomorrow morning. icon_smile.gif

 

annoyinglogo.gif

 

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Click the Toe...  and please stop confusing your opinion with fact, ok?
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Actually I think the serif font or a mild-serif font would be ok. Take out a US penny, and if you look closely, you'll notice that on the back the words "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" around the top, and very tiny "E. PLURIBUS UNUM" below it are all serif fonts.

 

I suppose if we're worried, "GPS Stash Hunt" might be even safer than Geocaching.

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Originally posted by LongDogs:

I suppose if we're worried, "GPS Stash Hunt" might be even safer than Geocaching.


 

Don't worry about that. We're not pursuing the trademark on the term Geocaching. It is descriptive of the sport.

 

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Groundspeak - The Language of Location

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So far I agree with this as required criteria:

 

Basic enough to be recreated easily using different materials. (A coin can be made quite easily and with decent detail, but if someone wanted to knit the logo or make a branding iron of it, it might be hard.

A style that could be used as color or two-tone.

Room to add custom graphics for personalization.

Ability to be modified to a square or round form.

 

I do not beleive "geocaching.com" should be on it, since represents geocaching, not geocaching.com.

 

I definitely like the submissions with the globe or the compass. I also like the idea of a guy, a trail and an "X" Gustaf's are also nice, but I wonder how easily these could be recreated on multiple surfaces? I also like Rubbertoe's greyscale one, maybe if the word geocaching was made into an arrow of sorts? kinda like this:

 

brlogo.gif

 

Also, if anyone notices I've missed an image on the web page, let me know. I'm not always the most observant person.

 

Rubbertoe, if you could make that flashing one work on a coin, it gets my vote!

 

Always proof-read carefully to see if you any words out.

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Hmmm... Somehow I missed this one. It is a good idea too. It would make a good reverse face.

 

usatenn2.jpg

 

Here is Gustaf's logo colored in, just for effect.

Since the gif was dithered, rather than just black & white, it didn't turn out too good, but I just wanted an idea of what it might look like.

 

geologo3c.gif

 

I didn't really give much thought to the colors, and primary colors might be better than pastel, but I just wanted to see what it would look like with color. Maybe Gustaf can put up a colorized version...

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