+treemoss2 Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Expanding on the problem of some parks forbidding caches and removing the ones they find. To remove them they have to know about them and they must do that by getting coordintes here. Might there be a way to give coords in not so easy a place for them to find - short of MOC? Quote Link to comment
enfanta Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 "If you place the cache on public lands you need to contact the managing agency to find out about their rules." The people who don't play by the rules make it much harder on those of use who do. Please don't try to circumvent this problem in this manner. Quote Link to comment
Dinoprophet Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 First of all, this is the same idea as hiding coordinates from people who are just out there to vandalize/steal caches. That's been hashed out repeatedly on the forums, and the result always seems to be that there's no workable way of doing it. I've seen this sort of tactic against anti-cache parks proposed elsewhere. I think it's a really bad idea for the simple fact that it creates an image of geocaching that is more likely to get us kicked out of more parks than accepted by the one being invaded. Not to sound alarmist, but it could even result in legislation. All they'd have to do is call it "littering". "Geocaching is punishable by a $500 fine and/or 30 days in jail". There are plenty other illegal outdoor activities available. Quote Link to comment
DisQuoi Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Yes. Read this cache description. The coordinates for this cache can be found by any park manager willing to perform the entire hunt effort (unlikely). However, I must agree with enfanta that "tricking" land managers will hurt geocaching in your area in the long run. See this thread. Quote Link to comment
enfanta Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Is it just me or does "this cache description" link to my cache page?? Am I missing a message here?? Quote Link to comment
enfanta Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Is it just me or does "this cache description" link to my cache page?? Am I missing a message here?? Quote Link to comment
+erik88l-r Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 It must be just you. It doesn't link to your cache page for me ~erik~ Quote Link to comment
+erik88l-r Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 It must be just you. It doesn't link to your cache page for me ~erik~ Quote Link to comment
+Mudfrog Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 DisQuoi's link sends you to your own cache page. I was expecting a cache description page to come up. Maybe im missing something too? Quote Link to comment
Rubbertoe Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 quote:Originally posted by treemoss2:To remove them they have to know about them and they must do that by getting coordintes here. I'd imagine most of them that are removed aren't hunted down by rangers visiting this site - but more likely they are discovered by park rangers/caretakers when careless cachers leave trash around them, or bushwhack trails to well hidden caches - or just generally disturb the "normal" appearance of the area as it was before the cache was there. --== http://www.bigfoot.com/~rbatina ==-- Quote Link to comment
wmas1960 Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 I agree that this proposal is not a good idea. Many of the posts that I have read about caches that had been removed didn't even involve the authorities find out about them here. Many if not most are the result of some parks worker or cop locating a suspicious trail or some damage to some vegitation or in one case some suspicious individual looking around a college campus at night. The most recent post mentioned a lone car in a parking lot that may have caught the attention of Campus Police. Upon investigation they find the cache or cacher. Or, a couple involved a non-cacher, worker or police officer just stumbling accross them and not knowing what they are. They call the police who blow it up and find out what Geocaching is all about. To cover themselves from potential embarassment they make a big deal of it and emphasize how inapproriate the cache was in the location. They highlight any law that can be used to warrant or justify the actions that they took. Littering, Abandonment, Burrying items in a city park, tresspassing on railroad property... If parks officials or forest rangers start to notice illegal caches being DELIBERATELY placed without following policies, laws or rules they may start looking down on us even more and taking it as a personal disrespect. Those who are reasonable and willing to work with us may start turning against us on the impression that we can't be trusted. It is one thing to place and apoligize and play dumb but when they find the information that makes them realize you knew it was illegal or inappropriate and you went around them and placed it anyways and were trying to hide it from them. All bets will likely be OFF. Just my feelings here. quote:Originally posted by dinoprophet:First of all, this is the same idea as hiding coordinates from people who are just out there to vandalize/steal caches. That's been hashed out repeatedly on the forums, and the result always seems to be that there's no workable way of doing it. I've seen this sort of tactic against anti-cache parks proposed elsewhere. I think it's a really bad idea for the simple fact that it creates an image of geocaching that is more likely to get us kicked out of more parks than accepted by the one being invaded. Not to sound alarmist, but it could even result in legislation. All they'd have to do is call it "littering". "Geocaching is punishable by a $500 fine and/or 30 days in jail". There are plenty other illegal outdoor activities available. Quote Link to comment
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