Shark River Pirates Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 Ok - just picked up my Legend today and bought her home to d/l some info from mapsource (Roads and Rec) and the first thing I did was put in the coordinates of a cache we wanted to find today and ran into two problems. 1) The map displayed my cache waypoint in the middle of the atlantic ocean (I checked the numbers three times) 2) After d/l the waypoint into my Legend the coordinates were completely wrong. Anyone else run into this? I'm stumped... Almost forgot - If I input the coord manually it works great (found the cache no prob) Cache is: Close to the edge Quote
peter Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 Not just to cre8tor, but in general when people describe difficulties it would help if they were as specific as possible. Why not specify what coordinates were entered in Roads & Rec and what "wrong" ones appeared on the Legend? Doing so would let us see if there might be a problem with the format, sign, datum (unlikely for a large error), UTM vs. lat/long, or whatever. Quote
Shark River Pirates Posted July 20, 2003 Author Posted July 20, 2003 Umm check link entitled "Close to the EDGE" the coordinates were entered exactly as listed. Not just to peter, but for people making comments please read the entire post. Thank you, Quote
Kerry. Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 There's nothing wrong with those coordinates so it suggests the problem is at your end. But without being a mind reader it's difficult knowing exactly what your doing in Mapsource. Cheers, Kerry. I never get lost everybody keeps telling me where to go Quote
Shark River Pirates Posted July 20, 2003 Author Posted July 20, 2003 Kerry, I'm just adding a way point (N40.23153 W73.59100) in mapsource and it's sticking it out in the Atlantic ocean. Also, when I d/l the waypoint to my gps it has the completely wrong numbers for the coorid. Quote
Kerry. Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 So how far out into the Atlantic is it? Knowing that might help to determine what type of issue it is. Cheers, Kerry. I never get lost everybody keeps telling me where to go Quote
+Alan2 Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 The coordinates position you posted is in degrees decimal. Your Legend is probably set for Degrees Minutes.minutes decimal DD mm.mmm. When these don't match, you could be off a lot. Make sure every things matches. Also the Datum should be the same. The cache pages is set for DD MM>MMM and WGS84 Datum. Make sure you're set the same way. Alan Quote
Kerry. Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 Alan2, the coordinates as written one could assume that but the numbers do match the orig DM.m positions but of course that's not the way they are written here. What was meant and what was used, who knows but gradually we'll pick away at the information that might put some light on the possibilities. The most position format differences between DM.m and DMS will throw things is about 1/2 a mile. The Atlantic ocean is a big place, just need to now which bit and how far. Cheers, Kerry. I never get lost everybody keeps telling me where to go Quote
Shark River Pirates Posted July 20, 2003 Author Posted July 20, 2003 Kerry... Here is a pic: Here are my settings: Alan.. You fixed my problem with d/l waypoints from easy gps - thanks! It was the format that was wrong. Still having the prob with mapsource though. [This message was edited by cre8tor on July 20, 2003 at 08:45 PM.] Quote
Neo_Geo Posted July 20, 2003 Posted July 20, 2003 In MapSource, click on "Edit", then click on "Preferences", then click on the "Position" tab. Grid: Lat/Lon hddd°mm.mmm' Datum: WGS 84 Quote
Shark River Pirates Posted July 20, 2003 Author Posted July 20, 2003 Thanks Neo, Problem fixed. Also, Thank You Kerry, Alan, Peter for your help! Quote
Shark River Pirates Posted July 20, 2003 Author Posted July 20, 2003 It's still out in the water, but at least it's in the ball park. I really thought it would be more accurate. Quote
+robert Posted July 21, 2003 Posted July 21, 2003 quote:Originally posted by cre8tor:It's still out in the water, but at least it's in the ball park. I really thought it would be more accurate. First, the problem could be you're running Windows. A far superior Mac would solve the problem. Too bad they don't make Mapsource/Mapsend for Macs w/o Virtual PC. Seriously, though, I wonder about the accuracy of some of the extra maps. My Mapsend seems to be a bit off in one day of trials. Shows me standing in the middle of a field instead of the street I'm on, and EPE shows 13 ft, not 300 it seems to be off. Using most current version too. Hmm... ~robert (that's mrkablooey, not kablooey) The Maryland Geocaching Society www.mdgps.net Quote
Dragonmaster Posted July 21, 2003 Posted July 21, 2003 OK now that you have set Mapsource to the correct format, D M.MMM you now need to reenter the waypoint in the corrected format. I have Mapsource metroguide and I put in the cache as listed and it was right on the beach where you show in your picture that it should be Quote
Kerry. Posted July 21, 2003 Posted July 21, 2003 quote:Originally posted by DiscoverGPS:It's still out in the water, but at least it's in the ball park. I really thought it would be more accurate. So how blo.... far out in the water is it. How can anybody know just what is going on if all one gets is "it's still out in the Atlantic", now HOW FAR out in the Atlantic. Cheers, Kerry. I never get lost everybody keeps telling me where to go Quote
peter Posted July 21, 2003 Posted July 21, 2003 quote:Originally posted by DiscoverGPS:It's still out in the water, but at least it's in the ball park. Odd, it shows up as being on the beach by about 175' in both MetroGuide (4.01) and Roads & Recreation when I entered it. Check the datum (should be WGS84) and the coordinates again. Quote
Shark River Pirates Posted July 21, 2003 Author Posted July 21, 2003 Peter, You can see my settings in the screen shot a few posts back. Here is the new location: Quote
Shark River Pirates Posted July 21, 2003 Author Posted July 21, 2003 double post - sorry [This message was edited by DiscoverGPS on July 21, 2003 at 08:48 PM.] Quote
+Team Shibby Posted July 21, 2003 Posted July 21, 2003 DiscoverGPS, I entered the waypoint in my version of Metroguide and NA City Select and they both show as on land. Make sure you have the settings correct. Go To: Edit/Preferences and click on "Position", make sure the "Grid" is set for Lat/Lon hddd°mm.mmm and "Datum" is set for WGS 84 I do know that Mapsource R&R uses some mighty old map data, but it should not be off to such a degree. EDIT: I noticed your screenshot above and wanted to say that "Grid" is listed as "Position Format" in your version. Hope you get your problem solved...Kar Quote
peter Posted July 22, 2003 Posted July 22, 2003 quote:Originally posted by DiscoverGPS:Peter, You can see my settings in the screen shot a few posts back. Your settings are probably fine now, but the latest screen shot you show is of MapSource with the detailed maps turned off - it's the MapSource equivalent of the Legend basemap (and similarly inaccurate). In MapSource either hit Ctrl-G or go to the 'View' menu and click on "GPS Map Detail" so you see the detailed R&R maps (also check that "US Road & Rec - Continental US" is showing in the map selection box in the tool bar). If you still don't see lots more detail and accuracy try moving the slider under "Map Detail" on your Preferences menu more to the right. [This message was edited by peter on July 22, 2003 at 02:41 AM.] Quote
Shark River Pirates Posted July 22, 2003 Author Posted July 22, 2003 Yeah, Detail did the trick! Looks like I'm all set now. Thanks Again, Quote
+Alan2 Posted July 27, 2003 Posted July 27, 2003 Glad we can help. Now here's somethin you won't be able to correct even with all the settings OK. You'll hunt a cache and find out that it's actually on the other side of the stream than R+R (or Topo) will indicate. Anyone with more than one Mapsourse could see this at home. Mark a waypoint in the middle of an intersection, let's say with R+R> Than switch to Topo - the waypont is no longer in the intersection but anywheres up to 100 feet away. Then switch to Metroguide (I have all three) and it'll shift again. No the waypoint didn't actually shift. All the maps are wrong! Yep. Mapmakers have been trying to get it right since maps were invented. None of them actually reflect the real world. There are slight difference from one map type to the other and from one section of the country to the other. It'll drive you nuts especially when you have to hike half a mile to the to a bridge to get you to the other side where the cache really is! Good luck Alan Quote
+GOT GPS? Posted July 28, 2003 Posted July 28, 2003 City Select Deluxe, has been pretty good in the Detroit Michigan area, better than all my other maps, including Mapsend Streets and Delorme Street Atlas. -------------------------------------------------- My Old posts as Geoffrey My Current Post as GOT GPS? My profile My Home Page about what is GPS Quote
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