ALC's Guidelines & Schamres

[+aou121516]

I was going through the statistics of one of my lab caches and noticed that some one from far far away found just 2 out of the five points and did not go for the bonus cache.

checking their profile.. they have 121 finds and and additional 861 ALC's... SO a few questions came to my mind

1) should I fight this habit of people fake GPS'ing their location to answer my ALC's?

2) if so how should I do this?

after I decided: YES on Q number 1 I looked around the blog and found this debate.

which basically gives the solution on one hand but uses a shotgun in the other to negate it according to the guidelines.

now comes my question.

attached photo is the guidelines. the first guideline states that:

• Require players to physically visit Adventure Locations. - this is nice but technically now days one can just fake gps and get the question.

But then comes the following guideline

• Do not involve placing a physical object or container for the Adventure. - Ignoring this guideline (to some extent) is the only way to truly comply with the first guideline

since my answer to number 1 was: YES... then "To some extent" is the question of what should I do that I will comply with my strict policy of the first guideline.

now adding a container in each location is a NO NO

adding an object that holds the answer to the question is also somewhat problematic..

SO.

My solution is an NFC tag near by that holds the Question!! (The Ans can be easily found on location)

- Does a NFC tag considered an object? (debatable?)  

- Is the answer in the field? (Yes) is it in a cache (No) or and object? (still debatable)

- Does it comply with the 1st guideline? (Yes)

- Does it comply with the 4th guideline? (still debatable)

 

a virtual penny (we are talking ALC) for your thoughts

[+HHL]

41 minutes ago, aou121516 said:

Does a NFC tag considered an object? (debatable?)  

Yes, and from my point of view not debatable.

[+aou121516]

I get what you are writing but you are totally ignoring the fact that in order to ensure guideline number one something physical has to be done

[+Max and 99]

6 hours ago, aou121516 said:

Does a NFC tag considered an object? (debatable?)

Yes. And you placed it there, which isn't allowed. 

[+HHL]

2 hours ago, aou121516 said:

that in order to ensure guideline number one something physical has to be done

Right, the player has to be physically at the location. Your assumption that FakeGps is being used is not only rude, but usually also not provable.

 

[+aou121516]

9 hours ago, HHL said:

Your assumption that FakeGps is being used is not only rude, but usually also not provable.

 

it's actually quite easy to prove.

has finds on same day 

one is my lab cache in Israel the others are caches in a country in Europe.

or finds on my lab cache while gps services send you to Beirut!! (not anywhere close to the geofence)

you might want to be naive but saying out loud "The king is naked" is not rude if he is (AND HE IS! - using fake GPS )

 

[+aou121516]

11 hours ago, Max and 99 said:

Yes. And you placed it there, which isn't allowed. 

ok.

so what is your suggestion for the first guideline?

how do I require players to physically be there if they have a way around geofencing?    

[+HHL]

23 minutes ago, aou121516 said:

one is my lab cache in Israel the others are caches in a country in Europe.

So what? There are many ways to have logs delayed. The log date is then given by the online log date, not when he actually found the cache or Adventure Lab.

26 minutes ago, aou121516 said:

it's actually quite easy to prove.

No, it isn't. Full stop

[+Hynz]

19 hours ago, aou121516 said:

I was going through the statistics of one of my lab caches and noticed that some one from far far away found just 2 out of the five points and did not go for the bonus cache.

So they figured out 2 of your 5 questions which probably means you should change those 2 questions to something which can not be guessed and only found out when you are physically at that stages. Why don't you think this solves (by and large) the problem?

[+Mausebiber]

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so what is your suggestion for the first guideline?

how do I require players to physically be there if they have a way around geofencing? 

 

I understand your frustration, but...

 

My way of looking at any geocache or AL is completely different.  I provide a service to the geocacher community, a nice or interesting place, a breathtaking view, a beautiful location, maybe some stages to learn something or get information, in other words, my cache and Al are provides for cacher to have fun and enjoyment.

 

If someone is using a shortcut, using coordinates from the internet, using fakegps or something, so what? It does not hurt me, I have no shortfalls, I'm not missing anything. 

The only one who is missing fun and enjoyment are the one using the shortcut.

[+baer2006]

13 hours ago, aou121516 said:

how do I require players to physically be there if they have a way around geofencing?    

Choose questions, which cannot be answered, guessed or brute-forced without being on site. That's usually not too difficult. E.g., never asked for a number, where it is clear from the context, that is quite low (say, less than 50 or so). This can always be found quickly by trial and error.

[+Max and 99]

14 minutes ago, baer2006 said:

Choose questions, which cannot be answered, guessed or brute-forced without being on site. That's usually not too difficult. E.g., never asked for a number, where it is clear from the context, that is quite low (say, less than 50 or so). This can always be found quickly by trial and error.

I think this is the best way. 

[+GeoElmo6000]

Even if your players visit the location, don't use multiple choice, as players don't even have to read the question, just tap up to four buttons within one second of opening the location.  Boop boop boop boop, and nothing gained except one smiley.