+page28 Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Pity this is limited to the US after all we have Ye Ole Survey Monuments..... maybe in the near future... Quote Link to comment
+Lost in Space Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 We could have it based on Trig points, and if we placed a cache there, could call it "Trig Point Tat" Quote Link to comment
Runemaster Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Lost in Space: We could have it based on Trig points, and if we placed a cache there, could call it "Trig Point Tat" If that is an attempt at sarcasm please save it for somewhere else... The thread concerning cache contents was opened for people to air their opinions, if you can't control the urge to make skittish comments at least make them in the correct thread. Quote Link to comment
Team Tate Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 The data for every OS marker in the UK is freely downloadable from the Ordnance Survey's website. Sad that I am (and thanks to a fast internet connection at work) I created an Excel spreadsheet of every single one, which I planned to use to plant a few virtual caches in my area. This new element of the game will save me having to do this. Come on Jeremy, get the UK up and running! Team Tate Remember - if it's moving, it's not dead... Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Add lat/lon to that spreadsheet and I'll add them in there. Somehow... Jeremy Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:Add lat/lon to that spreadsheet and I'll add them in there. Somehow... Jeremy Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location Hurrah! Team Tate - let me know if you need help adding WGS84 references to the spreadsheet (if they are not already there - can't get my login to gps.gov.uk to work at them moment to check) Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
Team Tate Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 It's the datum that the OS use that is giving me the problems. They use the OSGB36 National Grid datum which is different to our beloved WGS84. If anyone has a conversion programme for this we will be onto a winner. Team Tate Remember - if it's moving, it's not dead... Quote Link to comment
Team Tate Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 Rather than carry on stuggling I thought I would get the information from the horses mouth (the horse being the 'Ordnance Survey') I have spoken to a helpful lady on their helpline who said she will look into how to convert the datums easily. As soon as I hear back from her, I will let you all know. Team Tate Remember - if it's moving, it's not dead... Quote Link to comment
+page28 Posted May 16, 2002 Author Share Posted May 16, 2002 Can Chris Shepherd's conversion spreadsheet be used or some of the macros from it be modified for the purpose ? no,forget it , on looking at it it doesn't go that way .... just done some browsing this looks as if it could be usefull http://www.anotherurl.com/mapping/OSGB_Convert.htm [This message was edited by page28 on May 16, 2002 at 05:52 AM.] [This message was edited by page28 on May 16, 2002 at 06:06 AM.] Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 quote:Originally posted by page28: Can Chris Shepherd's conversion spreadsheet be used or some of the macros from it be modified for the purpose ? no,forget it , on looking at it it doesn't go that way ....[This message was edited by page28 on May 16, 2002 at 06:06 AM.] Current Version does (down the bottom of the screen). Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
+Finger Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 I have just been on the OS site but I could not find the List of OS markers. Please can someone post the link - It looks like I am being particularly stupid (Again !!) Thanks in advance. Finger (UK Charter Member) Quote Link to comment
+Slytherin Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 ...and not a Charter Member, you can still view the "invisible" forum about US Bench Marks. Try going to http://opentopic.Groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=frm&s=1750973553&f=5790959854 Alex. Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Finger: I have just been on the OS site but I could not find the List of OS markers. Please can someone post the link - It looks like I am being particularly stupid (Again !!) Thanks in advance. Finger (UK Charter Member) You need to go to www.gps.gov.uk and register first. Then you can see it. Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 Just to let you know that Team tate and I have managed to establish the positions of 151 trig points - that are publicly accesable. Hopefully more to come soon. Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
+Richard & Beth Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Kimrobin: ...and not a Charter Member, you can still view the "invisible" forum about US Bench Marks. Try going to http://opentopic.Groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=frm&s=1750973553&f=5790959854 Alex. Just tried the link and got a 'You have not been given the security rights' error. Can someone who is a charter member do a quick overview of the US Bench Marks discussion on here so that us lowly geocachers know what this thread is all about? Regards, Richard Quote Link to comment
+Slytherin Posted May 16, 2002 Share Posted May 16, 2002 You need to be logged in to the forums before you hit my link. It will all be thrown open to everyone in about a week anyway. Alex. [This message was edited by Kimrobin on May 17, 2002 at 12:26 AM.] Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 Right folks we have a choice, we can either have: 1. Around 200 points that are guaranteed to be there and publicly accesable - these are the points that makeup the static GPS network. 2. Around 6200 points that are not guaranteed to still be there (though the thought of someone stealing a trig point is quite strange) and may not be on public land. These make up the old survey network which is not now maintained. How do we want to play this game ? Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
+Lost in Space Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Chris n Maria: How do we want to play this game ? 1. Quote Link to comment
LazyLeopard Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 quote:1. Around 200 points that are guaranteed to be there and publicly accesable - these are the points that makeup the static GPS network.Those sound like the best bet to start with... Purrs... LazyLeopard http://www.lazyleopard.org.uk Quote Link to comment
Team Tate Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 Get the file over to Jeremy and see what he thinks... Team Tate Remember - if it's moving, it's not dead... Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 We can't get more than 200 verified points due to only having 6 figure references for the rest, (6 figures is 100meters square). How about we combine the two lists with those that are not verified having "*Not verified" after the name. That way you get loads more targets and we can have found/not found just like real caching...wadayafink Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
+page28 Posted May 17, 2002 Author Share Posted May 17, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Chris n Maria: We can't get more than 200 verified points due to only having 6 figure references for the rest, (6 figures is 100meters square). How about we combine the two lists with those that are not verified having "*Not verified" after the name. That way you get loads more targets and we can have found/not found just like real caching...wadayafink http://www.scubaboard.com/images/smilies/526.gif Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net I would go with the 200 initially but there is more enjoyment factor in going out to verify if one of the old survey network is still there....and then catalogue it with photo. I believe that the current one's have a photo and/or sketch Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Chris n Maria: We can't get more than 200 verified points due to only having 6 figure references for the rest, (6 figures is 100meters square). How about we combine the two lists with those that are not verified having "*Not verified" after the name. That way you get loads more targets and we can have found/not found just like real caching...wadayafink Sorry that makes things a little unclear - let me try again: we have 200 locations which are out there, you can get to them and we have exact co-ords for (we have another 400 with only 6 fig references). The other 6000 we have exact WGS84 co-ords for, only it's not been established wether they are still there or not and if it's possible to get to them or not. So aiming for these ones makes it a similar kinda game to Geodashing. Is that clearer? Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
+Rocky Balboa Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 Sorry but i am totally lost what are these points etc you are all talking about used for i am quite intrigued now?!? Dan Wilson (Team Dan and Pid) Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Geo Badger: Sorry but i am totally lost what are these points etc you are all talking about used for i am quite intrigued now?!? Dan Wilson (Team Dan and Pid) Love the new name by the way A trig point is a mark that the ordnance survey use to triangulate from to create maps (though this has all been replaced by GPS based mapping). They are a concrete lump with a three pointed brass thing embeded in the top. There is one on the top of Combe hill in front of the monument. You might have seen it through the snow when you were up there Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted May 17, 2002 Share Posted May 17, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Irish:Add lat/lon to that spreadsheet and I'll add them in there. Somehow... Jeremy Jeremy Irish Groundspeak - The Language of Location Just sent the file (GEN-020517.28917 ) to you to see if you can do something with it. Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 I've recieved an Email from Jeremy that he has recieved the file & working on integrating it. Team tate have recieved a reply from Ordnance Survey and they are very keen to help us & will soon be sending us a file of the Pasive GPS Network Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
+mdshamilton Posted May 20, 2002 Share Posted May 20, 2002 Well done everyone! What incredible teamwork. Will this be called "UK Bench Marking" when it's published or something else? Mark, Matthew & Christopher We'll get there eventually.... Quote Link to comment
Two Bears Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 Believe it or not there are other crazy people (non-geocachers) out there looking for these things. This site has some handy info, and details the ones they've found so far, with details of whether they still exist and whether they are accessible or not. http://nmc-ramblers.org.uk/cgi-bin/trig/register.php Maybe if we get in touch with them we could share info. Might even convert a few more to the geocaching cause. Quote Link to comment
+Chris n Maria Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Two Bears: Believe it or not there are other crazy people (non-geocachers) out there looking for these things. This site has some handy info, and details the ones they've found so far, with details of whether they still exist and whether they are accessible or not. http://nmc-ramblers.org.uk/cgi-bin/trig/register.php Maybe if we get in touch with them we could share info. Might even convert a few more to the geocaching cause. Thanks, I'll mail them - see if we can help each other. Chris "We're not lost - we just don't know where we are" London & UK Geocaching Resources: http://www.sheps.clara.net Quote Link to comment
JasonW Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 Don't forget that any that are in Scotland are automatically accessible (unless on restricted Military land) as there's a right to roam there - how civilised. ----8<--------8<---CUT-HERE---8<--------8<---- Quote Link to comment
+jeremyp Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 quote:Originally posted by JasonW: Don't forget that any that are in Scotland are automatically accessible (unless on restricted Military land) as there's a right to roam there - how civilised. There are other factors to take into account than the legal right of way. I think a grouse moor after 12th August would be an unhealthy place to be. ------- jeremyp The second ten million caches were the worst too. Quote Link to comment
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