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I recently made my first hide after being tutored by another geocacher.  After my hide was published, this nice person and some of their friends remotely sign as first to find but the log has not been signed.  It has definitely burst my bubble and I haven’t completed another hide.  I would really appreciate help on how you would deal with this.  Thank you 

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4 hours ago, sharoncomstock said:

I recently made my first hide after being tutored by another geocacher.  After my hide was published, this nice person and some of their friends remotely sign as first to find but the log has not been signed.  It has definitely burst my bubble and I haven’t completed another hide.  I would really appreciate help on how you would deal with this.  Thank you 

Did you ask them about it? I would not hesitate to delete that log.

 

It looks like maybe you already deleted the logs as your latest hide has no finds yet?

A little confused as you have three hides and you said you recently hid your first one. Any chance there's two containers there? I would have contacted them to ask.

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Looks (to me) that it's the same group at your first two hides.  We heard of people not signing nanos, but never came across it ourselves.

As GeoawareUSA9 said, if it bugs you and you checked that there are no sigs, delete it.  Realize for me a nano "sig" would be C1...

We had a member false log FTF on caches once.  Finally got nailed when I was met by the CO just as I solved the field puzzle for the virgin log.

Turns out he was giving himself extra time, thinking FTF hounds wouldn't rush out if they knew it was "signed"... 

He quit the hobby, embarrassed (that he got caught).   :laughing:

 

 

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1 hour ago, Max and 99 said:

Did you ask them about it? I would not hesitate to delete that log.

 

It looks like maybe you already deleted the logs as your latest hide has no finds yet?

A little confused as you have three hides and you said you recently hid your first one. Any chance there's two containers there? I would have contacted them to ask.

I did 3 hides…it took over a week to get 2 of them oked. The third took 2 emails to headquarters.  No one has found the third one.  I am so ambivalent because the person who did the signing is the one who taught me how to do a hide. I Wasn’t sure how to do waypoints.

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32 minutes ago, sharoncomstock said:

I did 3 hides…it took over a week to get 2 of them oked. The third took 2 emails to headquarters.  No one has found the third one.  I am so ambivalent because the person who did the signing is the one who taught me how to do a hide. I Wasn’t sure how to do waypoints.

I really think you should ask him/them. That's very odd, in my opinion. 

Their names weren't on either of the logs for the two caches? Just out of curiosity, what made you go check the physical log?

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Like C1 mentioned, were both entire logs blank? Did you turn the log over to check? Maybe they signed in a different place than you expected? That's quite surprising. I think I would take a picture of the log and tell him you don't see their name on it. 

 

There are so many possible explanations based on my experience! So many! I once was going to be third to find for a difficult cache, and found the log completely blank. Turns out first and second to find had signed on the swag instead of the official log. 

 

I suspect your finders signed the log. Let us know what comes of this!

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The people involved actually logged the cache from home but a couple of weeks later they went to the actual cache to sign it.  Unfortunately, my first “hide” experiences were off putting and I have not hid any more…I am trying to put the experience behind me and start hiding again.  It took several weeks and several emails to headquarters to get my first 3 approved….then the sofa signs.  ☹️☹️☹️☹️

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1 hour ago, sharoncomstock said:

The people involved actually logged the cache from home but a couple of weeks later they went to the actual cache to sign it.  Unfortunately, my first “hide” experiences were off putting and I have not hid any more…I am trying to put the experience behind me and start hiding again.  It took several weeks and several emails to headquarters to get my first 3 approved….then the sofa signs.  ☹️☹️☹️☹️

I hear you. None of what you have experienced is commonplace in my area. 

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1 hour ago, TOW Vehicle said:

Please stipulate in the cache description (ON THE INTERNET) that the log-in sheet has to be signed, or the find will not count.

Or just include a link at the bottom of the cache description page (ON THE INTERNET) to the Help Center, which includes multiple copies of the instruction to "sign the logbook" (before the instruction to log online). For example:
Intro to geocaching

Log a geocache

Geocaching etiquette

 

Not to mention references like the one in the article Additional logging requirements (ALR).

 

Oh wait, there is already a link to the Help Center at the bottom of every cache description page.

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1 hour ago, TOW Vehicle said:

Please stipulate in the cache description (ON THE INTERNET) that the log-in sheet has to be signed, or the find will not count.

 

Visiting the location and signing the log is a fundamental tenet of the game, you shouldn't have to spell that out in the description of every cache. Anyway, the official app discourages people from ever looking at the description, with its small button buried down below the much bigger NAVIGATE, LOG CACHE and HINT buttons. Your're pretty much wasting your breath writing anything in a traditional's description.

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When I have someone log one of my caches and there is no signature on the log, I send them a email or message as follows: 

 

"I noticed you logged my cache GC------ Cache name -------- but am unable to find your name on the log in the cache.  Maybe you logged with a group name or some other way? If so please let me know how you signed." 

 

I then wait 10 or so days and if no response I delete their log.

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I support captnemo's policy above.   About half the caches I place are multis with 5-8 stages and it's not unusual for a folks to claim a find after they locate the first stage.   Generally their log comments give this away.  I tpically ask them if the found all the stages, or to describe the final some way.   If they respond that they only found the first stage, I explain what a multi is, encourage them to complete the cache and change their "find" to a "note"; if they don't respond in any way, I delete their log and tell them why.   It's fine by me that folks "play for different reasons" but "playng by different rules", not so much.  

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16 minutes ago, edexter said:

About half the caches I place are multis with 5-8 stages and it's not unusual for a folks to claim a find after they locate the first stage. 

 

The official app doesn't really work well with multis. The two big buttons on the cache page are NAVIGATE and LOG, with NAVIGATE just taking you to the listed coordinates. You then have to have a good understanding of how multis work and delve deeper to add a waypoint for the next stage. With most newbies now starting with premium membership before they've even found their first cache, and exclusively using the app without having ever visited the website, the app's treatment of multis as "advanced" caches is no barrier to them.

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Yup, I remember the days of primative gps .  You'd have to know how to manually enter a coordinate, then another in the field to find a multi, no maps.    Everything has a learning curve, so I try to be helpful in explaining the process.  It always helps to read the cache page to learn the game, though.

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