Grab ONLY

[+Cheeriosupmynose69]

I want to put a trackable out into a Geocache but I want it to TRAVEL ONLY.  I do NOT want it to be able to be "Discovered".  I want it to travel from cache to cache.  Is there a way to do this?

[geoawareUSA9]

No.

[+GeoCharmer81]

You may consider adding a note on the trackable's page with your request of no discoveries, travels only. Also consider making a small, laminated tag to attach to the trackable or a card to go in the plastic flip. Even doing that, there is no guarantee everyone will comply with your request.

 

 

[+kunarion]

7 hours ago, Cheeriosupmynose69 said:

I want to put a trackable out into a Geocache but I want it to TRAVEL ONLY.  I do NOT want it to be able to be "Discovered".  I want it to travel from cache to cache.  Is there a way to do this?

 

The default is for Trackable items to travel.  You then track the travel.

 

But if someone sees your Trackable in a cache container, how would you know it's in there if cachers can't log Discover?  Discover logs confirm that a Trackable is still in play.  Unlike a bahzillion blank cache-to-cache Visit logs by one guy, where he could have lost it years ago, and you can't tell.

 

I found one in a cache, took photos with it and my avatar TB, it hadn't been logged at all in a long time, and when I got home to make my Discover log, the Trackable's text said, "No Discover Logs!".  So I posted nothing and moved on.

 

Yeah, maybe attach a tag stating your restrictions.  It would save me time.

 

Edited August 16 by kunarion

[+cerberus1]

On 8/16/2024 at 11:20 AM, Cheeriosupmynose69 said:

I want to put a trackable out into a Geocache but I want it to TRAVEL ONLY.  I do NOT want it to be able to be "Discovered". 

 

That's too bad.  So many errors, my helpful Discover logs tell people what caches their trackable's really in, and what condition it's in.

My helpful Discover log will tell you the name of the cacher that's has your Trackable, with a dozen others, letting people Discover a box of Trackables not theirs at events.

So delete me if you'd like, I don't do it for stats.  But it'd be your loss...

[+Hynz]

On 8/16/2024 at 5:20 PM, Cheeriosupmynose69 said:

I want to put a trackable out into a Geocache but I want it to TRAVEL ONLY.  I do NOT want it to be able to be "Discovered".  I want it to travel from cache to cache.  Is there a way to do this?

No, but I feel you. And the thread title is confusing. It should read "Retrieve/Placed only"

I also consider neither visit nor discovery logs as an overall positive enhancement of the handling of trackables. At least not for me as a TB owner  who is interested only in a concise history (and map view) in which caches my TB actually was placed and accompanied by at least some logs with pictures and stories.

 

Currently I don't have traveling TBs out but what I previously did was mentioning on the TB-page that I will only let visit and discovery logs stand if they contain either pictures or a meaningful log text (so @cerberus1 logs would probably have survived ). But it was a laboriously task to delete and discuss  with icon collectors about the deletion of their discovery logs.

 

On 8/17/2024 at 12:38 AM, kunarion said:

But if someone sees your Trackable in a cache container, how would you know it's in there if cachers can't log Discover? 

You simply wouldn't know, so what? Either someone will soon pick it up and log it or after some time you better let it go and hope for a surprising log in the future.

On 8/17/2024 at 12:38 AM, kunarion said:

Discover logs confirm that a Trackable is still in play. 

Ok, the majority of discover logs might indeed proof their physical existence but rarely disclose *where* they were seen and additionally there are a considerate number of discover logs coming in way after the (probably never actually happened) physical sighting only via lists so even the *when* is dubious.

[+GeoElmo6000]

I've lost interest in moving trackables but will discover them when found.  I don't even read the trackable page, I just capture the trackable code and log it using an app called TBScan.  So if I encountered a "don't discover" trackable I wouldn't even know it.  Just be happy people are discovering your trackables, it gives you a record of when it was last seen.

[+kunarion]

5 hours ago, Hynz said:

You simply wouldn't know, so what? Either someone will soon pick it up and log it or after some time you better let it go and hope for a surprising log in the future.

 

I agree that Discover logs are misused, and typically contain no useful information, or are false (the code found online somewhere), just used as a Stat for the person logging it.

 

But holy cats!  ...You stated in your reply that "pick it up" (which we know includes a Visit log) is a "surprising log", and yet that you "consider neither visit nor discovery logs as an overall positive enhancement of the handling of trackables." Which is it? 

 

Just as cachers will resort to Retrieve/Drop if they can't do a surprising Visit log, many most alleged Geocachers post vapid logs in general.  And there is an out-of-control problem of "I got the number someplace thanks" Discover logs... just like there is with other logs, such as empty "Visit" logs (surprising or not) where the cacher insists he's dragging around a massive sack of other people's Trackables, logs a Visit to every cache he finds, and is very obviously lying and lost them years ago.  Note that when these persons are called out, they double-down and make their crime even worse.  It's not a log availability issue, it's an inconsiderate person issue.

 

In many cases, Geocaching relies on the Honor System.  Dishonest and/or lazy users mess it up for sure.  That is not a reason to deactivate Discover logs.  I absolutely 110% never log a Trackable code that I saw somewhere and can't even say when.  Those who will do so are big fat losers, and this causes software updates like "Visit Logs" that attempt to mitigate the problems that the losers create. 

 

Look at my Discover logs.  I always say when and where, and I also include a photo and some info.  No way it's an empty log on other people's items.  I also never do the mass of blank robotic Visit logs, but that's another Topic. 

 

Edited August 21 by kunarion

[+schmittfamily]

First bit of advice is to not have the tracking code in a picture on trackable page if you don't want discover logs.   

I believe that picture goes into the trackable gallery and people have bots looking through those images for codes. 

 

There are trackable owners that intentionally include pictures of the code to their trackable to get discovery logs.

We just moved a trackable from an 8th grade geography class that was perfectly fine getting random internet discover messages from around the world and had a giveaway photo on their page.   

I think they had 20+ discovers before it was even placed.    

 

 

 

[+Hynz]

On 8/21/2024 at 11:54 AM, Hynz said:

You simply wouldn't know, so what? Either someone will soon pick it up and log it or after some time you better let it go and hope for a surprising log in the future.

 

20 hours ago, kunarion said:

But holy cats!  ...You stated in your reply that "pick it up" (which we know includes a Visit log) is a "surprising log", and yet that you "consider neither visit nor discovery logs as an overall positive enhancement of the handling of trackables." Which is it? 

Sorry, I have no idea what you want to say here. Maybe my english is not sufficient. Lets try again.

By "Picking up" a TB I meant someone "retrieves it from the cache" so that does not include a visit log but only a "Retrieve log"

What I meant with hoping for a "surprising log" is that scenario that the TB somehow gets lost without any trace so you gave up any hope but suddenly the TB shows up again and was correctly logged (grabbed+placed). Probably in that case even I would be happy about a meaningful(!) discovery log 

20 hours ago, kunarion said:

Look at my Discover logs.

I certainly don't talk about "your" or "cerberus1s" logs which apparently (at least in my experience) are an exeption to the rule. And yes visit logs are usually by far more annoying than discovery logs because of their volume. 

Edited August 22 by Hynz

[+kunarion]

4 hours ago, Hynz said:

By "Picking up" a TB I meant someone "retrieves it from the cache" so that does not include a visit log but only a "Retrieve log"

What I meant with hoping for a "surprising log" is that scenario that the TB somehow gets lost without any trace so you gave up any hope but suddenly the TB shows up again and was correctly logged (grabbed+placed). Probably in that case even I would be happy about a meaningful(!) discovery log 

 

Right.  Maybe instead of eliminating Discover logs (the OP's Grab Only idea), the system could have a selection to not send those emails.  Note that anyone may set up filters to place such email into Trash or to delete it entirely.

 

Edited August 22 by kunarion

[+cerberus1]

On 8/21/2024 at 11:56 AM, schmittfamily said:

First bit of advice is to not have the tracking code in a picture on trackable page if you don't want discover logs.   

I believe that picture goes into the trackable gallery and people have bots looking through those images for codes. 

There are trackable owners that intentionally include pictures of the code to their trackable to get discovery logs.

We just moved a trackable from an 8th grade geography class that was perfectly fine getting random internet discover messages from around the world and had a giveaway photo on their page.   

I think they had 20+ discovers before it was even placed.    

True.  If you don't want your Trackable listed/Discovered "accidently", be aware of photos taken.

 

Having your Trackables Discovered "Virtually" is perfectly fine, as shown in the Help Center on Trackables. 

 1.6 Tracking Code and Reference Number.  

 -  It's up to the Trackable Owner to state if they accept this...

 

Edited August 22 by cerberus1
explainification

[+cerberus1]

On 8/21/2024 at 7:51 AM, GeoElmo6000 said:

I've lost interest in moving trackables but will discover them when found.  I don't even read the trackable page, I just capture the trackable code and log it using an app called TBScan.  So if I encountered a "don't discover" trackable I wouldn't even know it.  Just be happy people are discovering your trackables, it gives you a record of when it was last seen.

Yep.  The first time I was in the hospital, I went online and just started typing stuff (sometimes that's a really weird world...).

Anyway, I started on ebay, notifying Trackable Owners where their long-lost Trackable was. Then typed in the hobby for more.

Most odd/fake "Discovers" came from the TO's own errors.  Go to the Trackable page and it's there front n center on the Trackable's page.