Pancake and crepe restaurants

June 19, 2022

In the Netherlands they are everywhere: Pancake restaurants aiming for the family lunch or diner. I was curious if this is a worldwide restaurant type and to my surprise it is! I found an article on https://adoc.pub/profiel-van-de-pannenkoekenrestaurant-markt.html . It says thate there are several pancake brands worldwide:

-www.ihop.com IHOP IHOP is a major American franchise chain with locations in the Americas, Canada, Mexico, Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico of pancake restaurants, with a total of 1,461 locations. The chain was founded in 1958.

-Quick crepes Quick crepes is a catering company for pancakes at festivals and events in Great Britain. The chain was founded in 1989. The pancakes are served from mobile catering trucks.

www.dedutch.com www.thecrepecafe.com De Dutch De Dutch is a Canadian franchise chain with approximately 20 pancake restaurants. During breakfast, brunch and lunch, typical Dutch pancakes are sold in 50 variations, but also Dutch toast or French toast. The first branch was opened in 1975 by a Dutch emigrant.

-The Crêpe Café The Crêpe Café is a fast-service concept with locations in Australia, New Zealand, the Middle East, East and North Africa and in the United States. The cafes sell crepes, pancakes and waffles. The chain was founded in 2001 in Australia and quickly became one of the fastest growing franchise concepts.

-Crazy Crepes Crazy crêpes is a fast service franchise chain that mainly has branches in Asia. In total, there are more than 100 outlets in shopping centers in Japan, Philippines, Taiwan, China, Australia and America that sell pancakes. Two to three locations are added every month.

-Slappy Cake in Portland, Oregon, America is a new concept. It is a breakfast and lunch concept with the option of baking and composing a pancake yourself at the table. www.slappycakes.com - Pancake House Founded in 1952, Pancake House is a chain of pancake restaurants in the United States with more than 100 locations.

-Roule Galette The first fast service creperie in France, Paris. Roule Galette currently has three branches. The chain has given France's most classic dish a trendy look. Prices range from € 3.50 to € 5.90. The concept focuses on take-away, but the crêpes can also be enjoyed in the restaurant area.

Because the pancake is made from neutral ingredients, it can be used in many ways. Every country worldwide has its own 'pancake'. A few examples:

-Blini (Russia) A chic pancake often served with a savory filling, such as caviar.

-Palatschinken (Austria) Pancakes filled with raisins, jam, chocolate sauce or hazelnuts.

-Mee Chian Kuih (Chinese) A pancake-like snack filled with ground peanuts, sweetened coconut or red bean paste.

-Palacsinta (Hungary) Pancake filled with meat and onions and sold on the street as a snack.

-Dosa (India) Spicy pancakes made from lentils and filled with a vegetable curry. A variant is the Pooda which is sweet or salty.

-Injera (Ethiopia) Made from water and teff, a local grain, it has a sour taste and is served with a mixture of spicy herbs.

-Kue serabi (Indonesia) A pancake made from rice flour and coconut milk

-Roti (Suriname) An unsweetened bread pancake that originally comes from the Hindu community. They are often flat and unleavened breads with fillings such as meat and potatoes.

I don't have any idea yet what direction this category should take; independent pancake restaurants or pancakes: regional chains but I still wanted to post the idea here.

June 19, 2022

I do not know what you are proposing here. But in this area of Pennsylvania, in USA, there are still a few IHOPS and my favorite Waffle Houses. Both seem to be loosing facilities though.

11.9k · June 19, 2022

I Hop is a category. Same with Waffle House.

Edited June 19, 2022 by Max and 99

9.3k · June 19, 2022

8 hours ago, Becktracker said:

-Quick crepes Quick crepes is a catering company for pancakes at festivals and events in Great Britain.

Crepes and Waffles are slowly catching on in the UK. (as a permanent establishment)

Anything 'at festivals' is only going to be available for 2 to 4 days a year... You Waymark it, no one can Visit it until next year - if the company do the festival again!

If this is a category, having the variable Chain/Independent is probably the way to go.

1.1k · June 22, 2022

There are pancakes and waffles shops in Austria too, and although they are vanishing again already, I would like to mention the Bubble Waffle shops, that used to be popular for a while (like the Bubble Tea shops). But there are definitely more permanent shops that I know of. Unfortunately, our favorite pancake shop in Vienna closed a few years ago (before the Pandemic). However, I think it will be difficult to create that category, for it is a commercial one. But aside from that, I'm for it.

June 22, 2022

Sounds like a category that could fill a niche. There are also some (but not that many as in the last decade) of the pancake shops / houses in Germany. Most of them are independent restaurants that serve mainly pancakes and are opened around noon and in the evening - so they won't fit into the "Independent breakfast spots" category. I'd suggest that the category should accept these independent restaurants and also some regional / small chains (with a variable as Bear and Ragged suggested), IHOP restaurants should be explicitly excluded.

5 hours ago, PISA-caching said:

However, I think it will be difficult to create that category, for it is a commercial one.

Um ... all the entries in the "Business" department are considered commercial. So I see less difficulties in creating the category. I see more difficulties in creating the description so that it would be accepted from the majority of the other waymarkers - there are many things to consider and I'd suggest to post the description here and discuss the controversial topics before giving the category to peer review.

June 23, 2022

14 hours ago, FamilieFrohne said:

Sounds like a category that could fill a niche. There are also some (but not that many as in the last decade) of the pancake shops / houses in Germany. Most of them are independent restaurants that serve mainly pancakes and are opened around noon and in the evening - so they won't fit into the "Independent breakfast spots" category. I'd suggest that the category should accept these independent restaurants and also some regional / small chains (with a variable as Bear and Ragged suggested), IHOP restaurants should be explicitly excluded.

Um ... all the entries in the "Business" department are considered commercial. So I see less difficulties in creating the category. I see more difficulties in creating the description so that it would be accepted from the majority of the other waymarkers - there are many things to consider and I'd suggest to post the description here and discuss the controversial topics before giving the category to peer review.

My thoughts exactly. Every time I picture such a restaurant I'm forced to post it in the independent diners category because the pancake restaurant doesn't exist yet and they aren't open for breakfast.

1.3k · June 24, 2022

Whoaaaa! Here's a "Blast From the Past":

Long ago, in another life and another place I, and a crew with whom I then worked, would begin each and every workday with a breakfast stop at the nearest Phil’s Pancake House, a chain now known simply as Phil’s Restaurants. Every morning, without fail, I would order ham, eggs and buttermilk pancakes. With a dab of unmelted, whipped butter atop each bite they were just HEAVENLY. Couldn't get enough of them.

That particular outlet still stands at the same location, today probably serving its twelve trillionth pancake.

Even longer ago and in yet another place:

There was once a Smitty's Pancakes in Banff, though it seems it's now gone. An old school friend got a job as a cook in the kitchen of said Smitty's so, once 3 or four of us stopped in to have breakfast when he was at work. Apparently he had seen us enter, as what followed couldn't have been anything but intentional. To date it remains the only time I have been insulted via my food by the cook who prepared it. ROTFLMAO

Myself and, if I recall correctly, at least one other of the group ordered "French" pancakes, crepes topped with strawberries and whipped cream. When they arrived the waitress told us to "Read between the lines.", or something similar. We soon found ourselves ROTFLMAOing at what he'd done. With the whipped cream he had written A** HOLE on each order!!!

All that aside I, too, would not be offended if such a category were to find its way into the master category list!

Keith

Edited June 25, 2022 by ScroogieII

August 21, 2022

The Pancake Lovers group has been created. Feel free to join in!

August 21, 2022

4 hours ago, Becktracker said:

The Pancake Lovers group has been created. Feel free to join in!

Joined.

1.3k · August 21, 2022

Scroogie joined, too.

Or is that ScroogieII joined?

Either way, the result is the same.

Edited August 21, 2022 by ScroogieII

August 22, 2022

The category is for restaurants which specialise in pancakes and crepes (offer a menu with 50% or more pancakes or crepes, not some pancakes at the side). This requirement eliminates restaurant chains like burger king. IHOP restaurants will be rejected as these already have a separate category.

You state that these restaurants fall under the independant diner category, but it is likewise for many existing categories: independent pizza restaurants, independent fish houses, buffet restaurants to name a few. Should these categories be removed?

We all have memories of special pancake restaurants which we visited as a child or where our kids had such a great time. That's why I believe this category is a good addition.

1.4k · August 23, 2022

23 hours ago, T0SHEA said:

Hopefully we have learned something in the last 15 years, when most of these categories were created.

We did, indeed.

But we have to face it. There is a new generation of waymarkers around, and they did not have the chance to experience in what total disaster commercial categories usually end up. Maybe we were too good preventing those mistakes for quite some years.

Of course, I will vote against this category. And I hope I will be in good company. But for the first time in the last twelve years, I am prepared to lose. They just don't know better now, but in a few years they will regret it, that I know as well.

August 24, 2022

I can advocate that these restaurants are unique and that it is why this category should be created, but no, a specific restaurant is indeed going to be postable in another category.

The overlap with independent breakfast spots isn't as great as you think, as most of the pancake restaurants I know are only open for lunch or diner.

Serioisly, what is wrong with cross-posting. I used to be against it myself, until fi himself pointed out that a waymarker can find out things about a place that other waymarkers didn't notice. So now I limit myself to 3 waymarks per object instead of 1 per object.

And, as I am of the new generation of waymarkers, please enlighten me about the mistakes I can expect. Maybe we can somehow prevent them here.

11.9k · August 24, 2022

20 minutes ago, Becktracker said:

most of the pancake restaurants I know are only open for lunch or diner.

That's interesting!

August 24, 2022

6 hours ago, T0SHEA said:

I lost count how many categories you have already purposed, only one was succesfull

Actually two, ww1 sites was also my idea.

If you look at this statistics ,https://wm.familie-frohne.net/list_misc2.php?sort=0 you see that the number of new categories has stalled enourmously since 2012. Iets remedy this. We all want the thrill of finding a new thing or furfilling a new daunting Waymarking category.

I simply like to think outside the box and create new things/challenges. I can remember you were thrilled about my puzzles idea or the latest, flag idea.

Back on-topic though. What can we do to improve on this category idea?

1.3k · August 25, 2022

I'm afraid that, while I was away, both T0SHEA and fi67 have made too many good negative points regarding the proposed category.

I, for one, can't think of a single pancake place I've been to that can't be Waymarked in an already existing category or three.

With that, I must side with the detractors and now give this category a 👎.

Sorry, Becktracker, but I can no longer support the proposal.

Keith

August 26, 2022

A, that looks bad for this category, the only one willing to serve as an officer backs down. I guess this is one which is not going to happen. To maybe change the tides: These are the restaurants I had in mind when proposing the categories (may be different from the typical American breakfast pancake restaurant which I think the contenders have in mind): https://www.bloem-ede.nl/ https://pannenkoekenhuismiddenoptlandt.nl/

1.4k · August 27, 2022

On 8/26/2022 at 4:55 PM, Becktracker said:

[...]To maybe change the tides: These are the restaurants I had in mind when proposing the categories (may be different from the typical American breakfast pancake restaurant which I think the contenders have in mind): https://www.bloem-ede.nl/ https://pannenkoekenhuismiddenoptlandt.nl/

I can only speak for myself, but I do not really have an idea about typical American breakfast pancake restaurants and the pancake spots in my area are probably quite similar to the ones you know. In fact, my favorite pancake (well, also pancakes, but more crepes, omelettes and galettes) in my area was Dutch owned. It stopped being my favorite when he retired and handed the place over to an unfriendly French lady.

I am not against those restaurant in real life, I love them. But this does not make it a good category.

September 5, 2022

On 8/22/2022 at 2:12 PM, T0SHEA said:

Independent Diners: "This Category is for Privately Owned and Operated Diners and Cafes"

That should eliminate "a category for independent pancake and crepe restaurants..."

There are several categories for chain restaurants that serve pancakes and/or crepes.

Such as: Applebee's Restaurants, Burger King Restaurants (Pancake Platter), Cracker Barrel, Denny's Restaurants,

Howard Johnson's, IHOP Restaurants, TGI Friday's Restaurants, and probably more.

So explain again what will be included, if you eliminate ALL independent Restaurants and the chains that are a category?

Wellin this case, that also work for Sushi restaurants. Which (often) are independant but have their own category

November 6, 2022

I have got some help in this category and I have prepared a draft. I am interested in your comments. Please only contructive critisism though:

This category lists restaurants which serve the best pancake and crepe menus in the world. The restaurants specialise in pancakes and/or crepes

Expanded Description:

A pancake (or hot-cake, griddlecake, or flapjack) is a flat cake, often thin and round, prepared from a starch-based batter that may contain eggs, milk and butter and cooked on a hot surface such as a griddle or frying pan, often frying with oil or butter. It is a type of batter bread. Archaeological evidence suggests that pancakes were probably eaten in prehistoric societies.

The pancake's shape and structure varies worldwide. In the United Kingdom, pancakes are often unleavened and resemble a crêpe. In North America, a leavening agent is used (typically baking powder) creating a thick fluffy pancake. A crêpe is a thin Breton pancake of French origin cooked on one or both sides in a special pan or crepe maker to achieve a lacelike network of fine bubbles. A well-known variation originating from southeast Europe is a palacinke, a thin moist pancake fried on both sides and filled with jam, cream cheese, chocolate, or ground walnuts, but many other fillings—sweet or savoury—can also be used.

Pancakes may be served at any time of the day or year with a variety of toppings or fillings, but they have developed associations with particular times and toppings in different regions. In North America, they are typically considered a breakfast food and serve a similar function to waffles. In the Netherlands pannenkoeken are served for the lunch and dinner in family restaruants and they are used quite big. In France, crepes are considered entrees or desserts. There are many other pancake types and restaurants worldwide

In this category, we seek the finest pancake and crepe restaurants worldwide. Places where you can have the best pancake experience and where the whole family is enjoying their meals.

Instructions for Posting a Pancake and crepe restaurants Waymark:

1. Enter Name as follows: Name of Restaurant - City, State or Country.
Example: Pannenboekenboerderij Midden op 't Land - Polsbroek, the Netherlands
or: Pancake Pantry - Nashville, TN

2. The restaurant needs to have a pancake or crepe signature dish. There needs to be plenty of choice in the pancake menu. NO restaurants allowed where the pancake is just a side dish.

3. No national fast food chains allowed (IHOP, Cracker barrel)

4. Only restaurants in permanent buildings may be listed- no temporary stands or food trucks.

5. Include at least two pictures of the restaurant. Ideally, this will mean at least one photo of the building and a close-up of the restaurant's sign.

Instructions for Visiting a Waymark in this Category:

Make a picture of the restaurant. We want to know what your favourite pancake or crepe dish of the restaurant is.

11.9k · November 6, 2022

40 minutes ago, Becktracker said:

and they are used quite big

I'm not sure what this means.

41 minutes ago, Becktracker said:

The restaurant needs to have a pancake or crepe signature dish

I'm not sure the reasoning for excluding a restaurant that doesn't have a signature dish. I will have to see if the crepe restaurant I want to waymark has one.

42 minutes ago, Becktracker said:

Make a picture of the restaurant

Take a photo?

So do I understand correctly that if you want to visit the waymark you must eat there?

44 minutes ago, Becktracker said:

There needs to be plenty of choice in the pancake menu.

Why?

November 6, 2022

The phrase needs to be 'and they are usually quite big'.

I suggest the 'signature dish' and 'plenty of choice' because previously there were lot's of comments that we need to be selective. I think that these are good selecting criteria, but what do you suggest instead?

I will change 'make a picture' to 'take a photo', thanks!

Eating at the restaurant is not neccessary, I was just following other restaurant categories. It would be good to know which dish to pick and which dish to avoid. Maybe "If you've eaten at the restaurant, can you tell us what you had and if you liked it?" instead?

November 6, 2022

In France it is rare to have a signature crepe in our creperies, perhaps a photo of the outside menu would be desirable as proof of the multitude of crepes.

2 hours ago, Becktracker said:

Maybe "If you've eaten at the restaurant, can you tell us what you had and if you liked it?

This is interesting

1.5k · November 6, 2022

Pancakes and crepes but not waffles, correct?

1.5k · November 6, 2022

If the pancake house has 95 locations in the nation, is it a national fast food chain?

1.5k · November 7, 2022

Many of you will be familiar the annual celebration known as Mardi Gras. In my universe, the celebration is Pancake Day. It would be an understatement to say that I am a pancake freak. We left the land of Phil's and Smitty's in the early '90s. As high school sweethearts, mrselyob and I worked together in Smitty's.

Living now in the wrong region of Canada, it has been more than 20 years since I could visit a pancake house on pancake day. I have been forced to use diners for my pancake fix. All this to say, in my part of the world, there is no more pancake house and if there was, it would definitely be open for breakfast.

I'm sorry that I am so late to the debate. I have been...away.

November 7, 2022

Waffles are made between two cast iron forms and not in a pan, right? I wouldn't consider a waffle restaurant for this category. They are delicious but made in another way.

I had it always on my mind that if a restaurant chain was pretty local or small that it could be included in the category. Certainly if the individual restaurants have their own pancake dishes or specialisations. 95 restaurants (for the whole of Canada?) doesn't sound too big to me. On the other hand, I needed to include the national chains point because IHOP is an existent category and the focus is more on independent operating restaurants. I guess your case would be an officer vote.

On the comments so far I think I will remove the 'signature dish' from the description. It was also a variable, but I will make it optional.

November 7, 2022

Here is my pancake batter recipe that my parents passed on to me a long time ago:
0.400kg of flour
10g salt
80g of sugar
10 whole eggs
1l of milk
12.5 cl of oil
5cl old rum
Leave to stand for 1 hour, and you can make between 30 and 40 pancakes depending on the size of the pan. Enjoy your meal

Phil

November 8, 2022

I've amended the category description to this:

Description:: This category lists restaurants which serve the best pancake and crepe menus in the world. The restaurants specialise in pancakes and/or crepes

Expanded Description:

A pancake (or hot-cake, griddlecake, or flapjack) is a flat cake, often thin and round, prepared from a starch-based batter that may contain eggs, milk and butter and cooked on a hot surface such as a griddle or frying pan, often frying with oil or butter. It is a type of batter bread. Archaeological evidence suggests that pancakes were probably eaten in prehistoric societies.

The pancake's shape and structure varies worldwide. In the United Kingdom, pancakes are often unleavened and resemble a crêpe. In North America, a leavening agent is used (typically baking powder) creating a thick fluffy pancake. A crêpe is a thin Breton pancake of French origin cooked on one or both sides in a special pan or crepe maker to achieve a lacelike network of fine bubbles. A well-known variation originating from southeast Europe is a palacinke, a thin moist pancake fried on both sides and filled with jam, cream cheese, chocolate, or ground walnuts, but many other fillings—sweet or savoury—can also be used.

Pancakes may be served at any time of the day or year with a variety of toppings or fillings, but they have developed associations with particular times and toppings in different regions. In North America, they are typically considered a breakfast food and serve a similar function to waffles. In the Netherlands pannenkoeken are served for the lunch and dinner in family restaruants and they are usually quite big. In France, crêpes are considered entrees or desserts. There are many other pancake types and restaurants worldwide

In this category, we seek the finest pancake and crêpe restaurants worldwide. Places where you can have the best pancake experience and where the whole family is enjoying their meals. Sorry for your waffle lovers, but as waffles are made in another way than pancakes, this category is not for waffle houses.

Instructions for Posting a Pancake and crepe restaurants Waymark:

1. Enter Name as follows: Name of Restaurant - City, State or Country.
Example: Pannenboekenboerderij Midden op 't Land - Polsbroek, the Netherlands
or: Pancake Pantry - Nashville, TN

2. NO restaurants allowed where the pancake is just a side dish. There needs to be plenty of choice in the pancake or crêpe menu.

3. No national fast food chains allowed (IHOP, Cracker barrel)

4. Only restaurants in permanent buildings may be listed- no temporary stands or food trucks.

5. Include at least two pictures of the restaurant. Ideally, this will mean at least one photo of the building and a close-up of the restaurant's sign.

Instructions for Visiting a Waymark in this Category:

Take a photo of the restaurant. If you've eaten at the restaurant, can you tell us what you had and if the pancake or crêpe was delicious?

1.5k · November 8, 2022

When you send the category to peer review, I will vote for the category. However, expect my vote to be one of only three or four. It does not matter how good your concept or your write-up. The Waymarking community does not want any more commercial categories.

Many of us who still play this game have been through the negative experience you are about to go through.

Edited November 8, 2022 by elyob

November 9, 2022

On 11/8/2022 at 12:49 PM, elyob said:

When you send the category to peer review, I will vote for the category.

With that description I'll also vote for the category.

November 10, 2022

Sorry, but it seems you are the only naysayer at the moment. Other food categories also got approved in the past, just as this one will. It's also not constructive critisism as you don 't give any directions on how to improve it.

November 10, 2022

The category description is as follows. I m curious if this is allright. Please only give constructive criticism:

Description:: This category lists restaurants which serve the best pancake and crepe menus in the world. The restaurants specialise in pancakes and/or crepes