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What would it take to have WEBCAM at a MEGA OR GIGA event?


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Webcams are hard to come by. Cachers try to get as many icons in a single day, especially during MEGA or GIGA events. During these events we see special icons, such as discover Signal, reverse cache.

 

What would it take to have an "event webcam" that is active during the event only?

Wouldn't it be exciting to have an "event cam" just for the day?

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Nice idea, but two items from the guidelines come to mind:

 

Long term

  • Hide your cache to have a long life.
  • Temporary caches intended to stay active for fewer than three months will not be published.

 

"When you go to hide a geocache, think of the reason you are bringing people to that spot. If the only reason is for the geocache, then find a better spot."

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And the fact GC are not publishing Web Cam Caches (at the moment)
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2 hours ago, Bear and Ragged said:

Nice idea, but two items from the guidelines come to mind:

But then again Groundspeak wrote the rules, they can rewrite/bend/ignore them if they want (and there's enough demand), these come to mind:

  • Reinvented the Locationless idea to release 2 new Locationless "caches".
  • Reinstated (after a fashion) Virtuals.
  • Reinstated a cache which had been archived for ~6 years after going missing.

They already allow Mega Events to publish Lab caches with more than 5 stages.

 

I think there's a significant demand for Webcam caches to come back in some form but they carry with them problems, not least of which is the availability of the camera being in a 3rd party's hands; perhaps allowing Webcams to be published aligned to Mega/Gigas could be one way to do it.

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I think Webcams are better off staying retired, unless Groundspeak wants to set up a special owned and hosted by themselves or a partner.

 

1. There are a lot of problems with people improperly logging webcams, including the use of selfies.

 

2. There are more people concerned about online privacy now than two decades ago. It's harder to use a stand-in for a Webcam compared to a Virtual.

 

3. Of the new Locationless caches that were introduced, one is specifically tied to Groundspeak (Signal the Frog) and the other probably only happened because of the pandemic as an alternative to CITO events. And the improper logs on both have been numerous.

 

4. Virtuals still have a role in geocaching because there are places where physical caches aren't allowed or simply aren't practical. That said, I wonder how long Virtual Rewards will continue. Adventure Labs seem to make Virtuals, and most Wherigos, obsolescent. I would say roughly a quarter of the Virtual Rewards were also wasted - either placed somewhere that physical caches already existed or not used at all.

 

In contrast, Webcam caches have been obsolescent for years. Their popularity is mostly their rarity. When they were introduced two decades ago there were no smartphones. Webcams were both a form of selfie and required coordinating with someone at a computer. Nowadays the vast majority of us can go to the location, snap an actual selfie with our smartphone, and pull up the webcam on said smartphone where we can see ourselves and save a screenshot.

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11 hours ago, The Flying Dutchmen said:

Webcams are hard to come by. Cachers try to get as many icons in a single day, especially during MEGA or GIGA events. During these events we see special icons, such as discover Signal, reverse cache.

What would it take to have an "event webcam" that is active during the event only?

Wouldn't it be exciting to have an "event cam" just for the day?

No...

Good interpersonal communications skills though.   :)

There were enough people upset that they were missing an icon, that Groundspeak decided to recreate a version of "Locationless" for them.

 - It was nothing like the originals.   But folks got their icon...

Rumors of a cache long gone, brought back just for a smiley (and that icon...), has been around a while now too.

When "special icons" and a game-like structure are made for this outdoor hobby, I feel like any game there are winners and losers.

I realize that this is the age of "everyone gets a trophy".  Guess I'd just hope that "trophies" weren't given too conveniently...

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5 hours ago, JL_HSTRE said:

I think Webcams are better off staying retired, unless Groundspeak wants to set up a special owned and hosted by themselves or a partner.

 

I think it would be neat if the photo booth at HQ's office could become a webcam, with the requirement that you must post a photo of the photo-strip it prints out with your log (or, the back of it if you do not want to include your face.) People are encouraged to "sign" the logbook with their photos, after all! (apologies to k4p12 for stealing their photo.)

 

Then again, HQ already has their special icon... and there are at least two webcams within driving distance of HQ... so maybe not...

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15 hours ago, The Flying Dutchmen said:

Webcams are hard to come by. Cachers try to get as many icons in a single day, especially during MEGA or GIGA events. During these events we see special icons, such as discover Signal, reverse cache.

 

What would it take to have an "event webcam" that is active during the event only?

Wouldn't it be exciting to have an "event cam" just for the day?

You want lots of icons on a single day? Then put some effort into it! If the nearest Webcam to a MEGA is quite far away, plan a long detour. If necessary, leave home at 4 am. Go in a team, so that you can take turns with driving. And if there is really no Webcam, which can be reached, then so be it. Try it at another MEGA/GIGA, which fits better. Getting 13/15/umpteen icons on a single day is a challenge. Why should it be handed to you on a silver platter?

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8 hours ago, JL_HSTRE said:

4. Virtuals still have a role in geocaching because there are places where physical caches aren't allowed or simply aren't practical. That said, I wonder how long Virtual Rewards will continue. Adventure Labs seem to make Virtuals, and most Wherigos, obsolescent. I would say roughly a quarter of the Virtual Rewards were also wasted - either placed somewhere that physical caches already existed or not used at all.

 

I hope there'll be more virtual reward opportunities as ALs are a lot more restrictive. I had a spot in a national park I was going to use for a virtual had I got one, and I considered doing an AL there but it was too difficult, with the need for good mobile data access, a map that doesn't show any of the walking tracks making navigation difficult, the character limits in both the overall and waypoing descriptions and the problem of coming up with unambiguous questions in places with no signage. I received another AL credit a month ago but have yet to find anywhere worthy of using it that doesn't bump up against one or more of the platform's restrictions. The places where there are no physical caches also tend to be places where there's no phone coverage and the AL's map shows just a blank space.

 

Getting back on topic, I think the OP's suggestion has some merit. Having limited-duration webcam caches at megas is something that could be easily set up these days and would likely avoid the problems that led to their grandfathering. In many parts of the world, there are few if any of the old webcams left - Australia has four, one in Victoria and three in South Australia, and New Zealand has just one - so having them at megas would allow many cachers the opportunity to log one without having to travel enormous distances.

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The lure of the webcam is its rarity, a bit like the old virtuals. I still like virtuals, but now they don't have that same plan-a-roadtrip-around-them coolness that they used to have. A webcam at an event would be what, a set up webcam that you pose in front of and get a photo? Sounds a bit like big-game hunting at the zoo to me.

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52 minutes ago, lee737 said:

The lure of the webcam is its rarity, a bit like the old virtuals. I still like virtuals, but now they don't have that same plan-a-roadtrip-around-them coolness that they used to have.

 

For me they do, because there's only been a handful of new ones that didn't involve a roadtrip to get to. So far with the 3.0 release, all the ones published in New South Wales have been south of Sydney Harbour, with most of those being either on the south coast or in the south-west of the state. I'd be looking at an overnight stay if I wanted to do any of those.

 

57 minutes ago, lee737 said:

Sounds a bit like big-game hunting at the zoo to me.

 

Yeah, maybe, but it might still a fun attraction at a mega, particularly when the nearest real webcam cache is thousands of kilometres away (or more).

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6 hours ago, barefootjeff said:

For me they do, because there's only been a handful of new ones that didn't involve a roadtrip to get to. So far with the 3.0 release, all the ones published in New South Wales have been south of Sydney Harbour, with most of those being either on the south coast or in the south-west of the state. I'd be looking at an overnight stay if I wanted to do any of those.


Weekends away to find good caches are our reason to plan holidays. 

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