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Just saw the news about the new ABDSP policy. We are presently out of town and not able to retrieve the containers for a few weeks. At least one of them, a puzzle cache near Culp Valley, may already have been confiscated since the ammo box has been reported missing.

 

I went ahead and archived all Team Gecko caches (and those we adopted, such as Dos Hombres) that fall within the Park boundaries. They will all be removed at the earliest opportunity.

 

Sorry for the inconvenience to anyone who was planning a search for one of these hides.

-GD

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Just saw the news about the new ABDSP policy. We are presently out of town and not able to retrieve the containers for a few weeks. At least one of them, a puzzle cache near Culp Valley, may already have been confiscated since the ammo box has been reported missing.

 

I went ahead and archived all Team Gecko caches (and those we adopted, such as Dos Hombres) that fall within the Park boundaries. They will all be removed at the earliest opportunity.

One advantage of archiving caches is that the ADSP people won't be able to get the coordinates for them. Unless they've already run PQs on the whole place, the cache effectively "vanishes" until you have time to run out and pick it up.

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Just saw the news about the new ABDSP policy. We are presently out of town and not able to retrieve the containers for a few weeks. At least one of them, a puzzle cache near Culp Valley, may already have been confiscated since the ammo box has been reported missing.

 

I went ahead and archived all Team Gecko caches (and those we adopted, such as Dos Hombres) that fall within the Park boundaries. They will all be removed at the earliest opportunity.

One advantage of archiving caches is that the ADSP people won't be able to get the coordinates for them. Unless they've already run PQs on the whole place, the cache effectively "vanishes" until you have time to run out and pick it up.

Archiving them should buy some time. I would assume that the rangers would use the maps on the site to locate the active caches still left in the park.

 

Any cache that doesn't meet the current ABDSP guidelines should be archived regardless:

1. Caches must be placed within 50 feet of authorized trail.

2. No caches permitted within 200 feet of an historic or archeological site.

3. No caches permitted in, on or under any building, structure or manmade object.

4. Caches cannot be buried. (*per gc.com policy)

5. No cutting or modification of vegetation.

6. No modifying of geologic features, i.e., no moving rocks, hiding under rocks or creating cairns.

 

From reading the other thread it sounds like we also need something like:

7. No caches permitted within 200 feet of a watering hole (to protect Bighorn sheep).

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One advantage of archiving caches is that the ADSP people won't be able to get the coordinates for them. Unless they've already run PQs on the whole place, the cache effectively "vanishes" until you have time to run out and pick it up.

 

So.... by archiving a cache, it makes it more difficult for the rangers to find and remove. Then if it is still there, physically, then it can be found and logged. If the Archive log mentions that it has yet to be removed, such as, "I will remove it when I get out there", then a cacher would be aware that it can still be found and logged.

 

Am I reading this correctly?

 

Well, my only ABDSP cache has been so archived and noted. I will get it out when I get a chance.

 

Night Hunter

 

Oh hey everybody... long time no see. What's going on? I see my little creation here is still getting good use.

 

NH

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One advantage of archiving caches is that the ADSP people won't be able to get the coordinates for them. Unless they've already run PQs on the whole place, the cache effectively "vanishes" until you have time to run out and pick it up.

 

So.... by archiving a cache, it makes it more difficult for the rangers to find and remove. Then if it is still there, physically, then it can be found and logged. If the Archive log mentions that it has yet to be removed, such as, "I will remove it when I get out there", then a cacher would be aware that it can still be found and logged.

 

Am I reading this correctly?

 

Well, my only ABDSP cache has been so archived and noted. I will get it out when I get a chance.

 

Night Hunter

 

Oh hey everybody... long time no see. What's going on? I see my little creation here is still getting good use.

 

NH

Good to hear from you NH! When the SDRP did this same time ~four years ago they let people pick up their caches at the ranger station. I hope these guys do that. Eventually an approval process was agreed upon and caching was allowed again in SDRP. I hope these guys do that too.

 

P.S. This thread is the #1 thread in the West and Southwest! :)

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P.S. This thread is the #1 thread in the West and Southwest! :mad:

Approaching 13,000 replies (Trailgators is responsible for "almost half" of that number!) and still going strong!

:) James you are 5th on the list. :D C'mon pick up the pace! :)

I figure that I'm not doing too bad considering that Numbers 1-4 had two years head start... :mad:

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P.S. This thread is the #1 thread in the West and Southwest! :mad:

Approaching 13,000 replies (Trailgators is responsible for "almost half" of that number!) and still going strong!

:D James you are 5th on the list. :P C'mon pick up the pace! :)

I figure that I'm not doing too bad considering that Numbers 1-4 had two years head start... :mad:

Good point. You now can have 952 posts, which puts you in second. :) You can also double your finds even though it was almost impossible to find 10 caches in a single day 5 years ago. :) I just noticed that 3 of us recently hit the 5 year barrier and RM is about to cross the 7 year barrier in May! :D Edited by TrailGators
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Just saw the news about the new ABDSP policy. We are presently out of town and not able to retrieve the containers for a few weeks. At least one of them, a puzzle cache near Culp Valley, may already have been confiscated since the ammo box has been reported missing.

 

I went ahead and archived all Team Gecko caches (and those we adopted, such as Dos Hombres) that fall within the Park boundaries. They will all be removed at the earliest opportunity.

One advantage of archiving caches is that the ADSP people won't be able to get the coordinates for them. Unless they've already run PQs on the whole place, the cache effectively "vanishes" until you have time to run out and pick it up.

 

My thought is this that if you pick up a cache don't archive it and let it drive the rangers nuts looking all over the desert for it. They probably have lists already because I talked to one of the rangers I know who told me some time ago that Jorgenson had been sending them out to get caches. This isn't something new and I told someone about it at the last campout. You won't be able to change his mind either as he is a naturelist and hates caching with a vengence. I've known this for some time as I heard it from people at Cuyamaca. If you write to complain, send your letters to the higher ups in Sacramento.

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QUOTE(Chuck B @ Dec 30 2007, 10:35 PM) 3229057[/snapback]
Just saw the news about the new ABDSP policy. We are presently out of town and not able to retrieve the containers for a few weeks. At least one of them, a puzzle cache near Culp Valley, may already have been confiscated since the ammo box has been reported missing.

 

I went ahead and archived all Team Gecko caches (and those we adopted, such as Dos Hombres) that fall within the Park boundaries. They will all be removed at the earliest opportunity.

One advantage of archiving caches is that the ADSP people won't be able to get the coordinates for them. Unless they've already run PQs on the whole place, the cache effectively "vanishes" until you have time to run out and pick it up.

My thought is this that if you pick up a cache don't archive it and let it drive the rangers nuts looking all over the desert for it. They probably have lists already because I talked to one of the rangers I know who told me some time ago that Jorgenson had been sending them out to get caches. This isn't something new and I told someone about it at the last campout. You won't be able to change his mind either as he is a naturelist and hates caching with a vengence. I've known this for some time as I heard it from people at Cuyamaca. If you write to complain, send your letters to the higher ups in Sacramento.
Chuck, how long has this guy been around? If they have been picking up caches since October why haven't we heard anything about it until recently? It's funny how we can pick up two truckloads of trash off the same two mile stretch of highway every six months and yet we are the problem... :anibad:
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One advantage of archiving caches is that the ADSP people won't be able to get the coordinates for them. Unless they've already run PQs on the whole place, the cache effectively "vanishes" until you have time to run out and pick it up.

 

So.... by archiving a cache, it makes it more difficult for the rangers to find and remove. Then if it is still there, physically, then it can be found and logged. If the Archive log mentions that it has yet to be removed, such as, "I will remove it when I get out there", then a cacher would be aware that it can still be found and logged.

 

Am I reading this correctly?

 

Well, my only ABDSP cache has been so archived and noted. I will get it out when I get a chance.

 

Night Hunter

 

Oh hey everybody... long time no see. What's going on? I see my little creation here is still getting good use.

 

NH

Good to hear from you NH! When the SDRP did this same time ~four years ago they let people pick up their caches at the ranger station. I hope these guys do that. Eventually an approval process was agreed upon and caching was allowed again in SDRP. I hope these guys do that too.

 

P.S. This thread is the #1 thread in the West and Southwest! :anibad:

 

Yeah, Pretty obvious when you look through the last few months worth of posts and it goes like this:

 

TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else, TrailGators, someone else,

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:o--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Chuck B @ Dec 30 2007, 10:35 PM) 3229057[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->

Just saw the news about the new ABDSP policy. We are presently out of town and not able to retrieve the containers for a few weeks. At least one of them, a puzzle cache near Culp Valley, may already have been confiscated since the ammo box has been reported missing.

 

I went ahead and archived all Team Gecko caches (and those we adopted, such as Dos Hombres) that fall within the Park boundaries. They will all be removed at the earliest opportunity.

One advantage of archiving caches is that the ADSP people won't be able to get the coordinates for them. Unless they've already run PQs on the whole place, the cache effectively "vanishes" until you have time to run out and pick it up.

My thought is this that if you pick up a cache don't archive it and let it drive the rangers nuts looking all over the desert for it. They probably have lists already because I talked to one of the rangers I know who told me some time ago that Jorgenson had been sending them out to get caches. This isn't something new and I told someone about it at the last campout. You won't be able to change his mind either as he is a naturelist and hates caching with a vengence. I've known this for some time as I heard it from people at Cuyamaca. If you write to complain, send your letters to the higher ups in Sacramento.
Chuck, how long has this guy been around? If they have been picking up caches since October why haven't we heard anything about it until recently? It's funny how we can pick up two truckloads of trash off the same two mile stretch of highway every six months and yet we are the problem... :anibad:

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B)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Chuck B @ Dec 30 2007, 10:35 PM) 3229057[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->

Just saw the news about the new ABDSP policy. We are presently out of town and not able to retrieve the containers for a few weeks. At least one of them, a puzzle cache near Culp Valley, may already have been confiscated since the ammo box has been reported missing.

 

I went ahead and archived all Team Gecko caches (and those we adopted, such as Dos Hombres) that fall within the Park boundaries. They will all be removed at the earliest opportunity.

One advantage of archiving caches is that the ADSP people won't be able to get the coordinates for them. Unless they've already run PQs on the whole place, the cache effectively "vanishes" until you have time to run out and pick it up.

My thought is this that if you pick up a cache don't archive it and let it drive the rangers nuts looking all over the desert for it. They probably have lists already because I talked to one of the rangers I know who told me some time ago that Jorgenson had been sending them out to get caches. This isn't something new and I told someone about it at the last campout. You won't be able to change his mind either as he is a naturelist and hates caching with a vengence. I've known this for some time as I heard it from people at Cuyamaca. If you write to complain, send your letters to the higher ups in Sacramento.
Chuck, how long has this guy been around? If they have been picking up caches since October why haven't we heard anything about it until recently? It's funny how we can pick up two truckloads of trash off the same two mile stretch of highway every six months and yet we are the problem... :blink:

 

I agree with the last part of what you said. Maybe we should move our CITO to a place out of the park and let Jorgensen know why we did that. He has been superindendent of Borrego for at least two or three years. He has been employed there for a number of years though. I think mainly as a nature specialist. Also I forgot to mention that the new superintendent at Cuyamaca was the superintendent at the Off Road Park at Ocotillo Wells. She is favorable to geocaching and evidently has been in her part of the desert. So,

cachers who have caches hidden in the off road part probably do not need to remove those caches.

Any cachers putting caches at Cuyamaca still need them okayed by the park. Maybe Borrego should set up something like that or like SDRP. If you plan on putting caches at Cuyamaca, make sure they're okayed by the park staff before putting them there. There are currently three that are okayed there.

In Borrego, since I heard from a source in the desert, they have been directed to pick up caches for about a year and a half to two years. I was told that one of the ones was at one of the palm groves located between S22 and Highway 78, another was in Culp Valley.

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I just uploaded the little videos from "Heart Attack Hill" in case anyone wants to see the descent of that very scary hill as accomplished by
and
. :D

 

Thanks :D:D

 

 

 

:) Awesome videos Karen!!! Wow, didn't we have FUN!! :D

 

So, who's ready for the next run??? :) Anyone? Anyone??

 

Coming soon..................... :D

 

The Splashes :P:D

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I just uploaded the little videos from "Heart Attack Hill" in case anyone wants to see the descent of that very scary hill as accomplished by
and
. :D

 

Thanks B):D

 

:D Awesome videos Karen!!! Wow, didn't we have FUN!! :D

 

So, who's ready for the next run??? :) Anyone? Anyone??

 

Coming soon..................... :D

 

The Splashes :D:D

Those are awesome! Did Marko have to change his pants after that first tip? :P It reminds me of when Barb almost tipped her Xterra over on the Lawson trail. But Barb was much closer to tipping over...I'll never forget how big the BRAs eyes got a for that second! :)
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I just uploaded the little videos from "Heart Attack Hill" in case anyone wants to see the descent of that very scary hill as accomplished by
and
. B)

 

Thanks B)B)

 

 

 

:D Awesome videos Karen!!! Wow, didn't we have FUN!! :D

 

So, who's ready for the next run??? :) Anyone? Anyone??

 

Coming soon..................... :D

 

The Splashes :PB)

 

 

:D I WISH I WAS NOT SICK LAST WEEKEN!!! :D

THATS SOME GREAT VIDEO I WILL BE AT THE NEXT EVENT :D

 

 

:) FATTBOY :D

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I just uploaded the little videos from "Heart Attack Hill" in case anyone wants to see the descent of that very scary hill as accomplished by
and
. :D

 

Thanks :DB)

 

:D Awesome videos Karen!!! Wow, didn't we have FUN!! :D

 

So, who's ready for the next run??? :) Anyone? Anyone??

 

Coming soon..................... :D

 

The Splashes :DB)

Those are awesome! Did Marko have to change his pants after that first tip? :P It reminds me of when Barb almost tipped her Xterra over on the Lawson trail. But Barb was much closer to tipping over...I'll never forget how big the BRAs eyes got a for that second! :)

 

Those are great! I wish I was able to be there... next time. :D I was standed in Wisconsin.

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I just uploaded the little videos from "Heart Attack Hill" in case anyone wants to see the descent of that very scary hill as accomplished by
and
. :D

 

Thanks :D:D

 

Wow, scary stuff :P:)

 

BTW, why do so many people video sideways. I always see that when I am surfing viral videos. What is up with that? :)

Sorry about that . . . I've never used that camera to take a movie before and didn't realize I was holding it the wrong way. :D But, it can't be too hard to turn your monitor sideways . . . can it? :D

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I just uploaded the little videos from "Heart Attack Hill" in case anyone wants to see the descent of that very scary hill as accomplished by
and
. :D

 

Thanks :D:D

 

Wow, scary stuff :P:)

 

BTW, why do so many people video sideways. I always see that when I am surfing viral videos. What is up with that? :)

Sorry about that . . . I've never used that camera to take a movie before and didn't realize I was holding it the wrong way. :D But, it can't be too hard to turn your monitor sideways . . . can it? :D

 

Miragee.

 

My screen saver is a picture of me coming down Heartattack with the right rear tire in the air and you standing taking the video of me. Sent me your e-mail address and I will sent it to you.

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I just uploaded the little videos from "Heart Attack Hill" in case anyone wants to see the descent of that very scary hill as accomplished by
and
. :D

 

Thanks ;)B)

 

:( Awesome videos Karen!!! Wow, didn't we have FUN!! ;)

 

So, who's ready for the next run??? :huh: Anyone? Anyone??

 

Coming soon..................... :)

 

The Splashes ;):D

Those are awesome! Did Marko have to change his pants after that first tip? B) It reminds me of when Barb almost tipped her Xterra over on the Lawson trail. But Barb was much closer to tipping over...I'll never forget how big the BRAs eyes got a for that second! B)

 

Those are great! I wish I was able to be there... next time. :D I was standed in Wisconsin.

 

No, that wasn't hard at all, but now you all are writing down the screen instead of across it. B)

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Well, Nighhunter, it's about time! It's great to hear...........er........read your voice once again~ B)

So, now will we get to follow your footprints again to caches and give you a hard time about not dating the log, etc?? ;) We haven't had anyone to harrass for awhile, so we'd really be glad if you got out on the trails again...............just think about how many caches are close by now!

Sorry we missed the kettle corn this year, but we did think about you. That is some gooooooddd stuff!

Keep in touch............really.............keep in touch!

 

The Splashes B):huh:

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Well, Nighhunter, it's about time! It's great to hear...........er........read your voice once again~ ;)

So, now will we get to follow your footprints again to caches and give you a hard time about not dating the log, etc?? :( We haven't had anyone to harrass for awhile, so we'd really be glad if you got out on the trails again...............just think about how many caches are close by now!

Sorry we missed the kettle corn this year, but we did think about you. That is some gooooooddd stuff!

Keep in touch............really.............keep in touch!

 

The Splashes B)B)

 

Yep, I hope to get out there. New Years Resolution to get more excercise, and why go to the gym if I can go caching right?

 

No kidding about there being so many new close ones. I feel like I am just starting. Seriously. I have more unfound caches in my 5 mile radius than I did back in 2002. Probally more in that radius than there was in San Diego back in 2002. ;)

 

Watch for my boot prints, and don't forget to sign the log, or it doesn't count as a find. :huh:

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Hi all,

 

Has anyone heard of some decision by SD County that all geocaches will be removed from SD county parks? I just got an e-mail from Rock Jumper D, don't know who he is or where he got info but apparently he picked up some of my caches and whats me to arrange to pick them up. I e-mailed him back and asked where all this came from and also e-mailed Tom to see if he knew. If anyone gets any info on this other than the Anza Borrego thing let me know.

 

Brian (finkbr)

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Tobys Gang, you have won the lottery and have not yet responded to our email. :huh:

 

 

Please note that at the end of 30 days, all unclaimed prizes will be either given to another finder chosen at random, or greedily kept by the organizers of the event. Please email us your chosen delivery address. :lol:

 

 

How cool is that! Sorry about not responding. I didn't see your email come through with all the fan mail I get.(yeah right)

I sent you an email.

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Hi all,

 

Has anyone heard of some decision by SD County that all geocaches will be removed from SD county parks? I just got an e-mail from Rock Jumper D, don't know who he is or where he got info but apparently he picked up some of my caches and whats me to arrange to pick them up. I e-mailed him back and asked where all this came from and also e-mailed Tom to see if he knew. If anyone gets any info on this other than the Anza Borrego thing let me know.

 

Brian (finkbr)

This is news to me... The ABDSP, of course, is on everyone's mind, but I haven't heard anything about any other parks...

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Hi all,

 

Has anyone heard of some decision by SD County that all geocaches will be removed from SD county parks? I just got an e-mail from Rock Jumper D, don't know who he is or where he got info but apparently he picked up some of my caches and whats me to arrange to pick them up. I e-mailed him back and asked where all this came from and also e-mailed Tom to see if he knew. If anyone gets any info on this other than the Anza Borrego thing let me know.

 

Brian (finkbr)

This is news to me... The ABDSP, of course, is on everyone's mind, but I haven't heard anything about any other parks...

 

I got the same email about my DA-IRY cache. Why does it feel like Geocaching is suddenly the enemy?

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Hi all,

 

Has anyone heard of some decision by SD County that all geocaches will be removed from SD county parks? I just got an e-mail from Rock Jumper D, don't know who he is or where he got info but apparently he picked up some of my caches and whats me to arrange to pick them up. I e-mailed him back and asked where all this came from and also e-mailed Tom to see if he knew. If anyone gets any info on this other than the Anza Borrego thing let me know.

 

Brian (finkbr)

This is news to me... The ABDSP, of course, is on everyone's mind, but I haven't heard anything about any other parks...

 

I got the same email about my DA-IRY cache. Why does it feel like Geocaching is suddenly the enemy?

 

this guy didn't even tell me what he took or where he got his info. He also has not responded to my e-mail. :huh:

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Hi all,

 

Has anyone heard of some decision by SD County that all geocaches will be removed from SD county parks? I just got an e-mail from Rock Jumper D, don't know who he is or where he got info but apparently he picked up some of my caches and whats me to arrange to pick them up. I e-mailed him back and asked where all this came from and also e-mailed Tom to see if he knew. If anyone gets any info on this other than the Anza Borrego thing let me know.

 

Brian (finkbr)

This is news to me... The ABDSP, of course, is on everyone's mind, but I haven't heard anything about any other parks...

 

I got the same email about my DA-IRY cache. Why does it feel like Geocaching is suddenly the enemy?

 

this guy didn't even tell me what he took or where he got his info. He also has not responded to my e-mail. :huh:

 

If this is true then I'm glad so many of my caches are puzzle caches!!! :lol:

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Another thought on the Anza Borrego Desert State Park situation - all visitors should be aware of long standing rules regarding pets in the park. I have noticed recent cache logs to some of our desert caches citing hiking/climbing achievements of their dogs. These adventures are strictly prohibited, both for your animal's sake and in consideration of the native fauna.

 

Following are the published rules for Anza Borrego followed by the more general guidelines for the California State Park system.

 

Whether or not we ever get the cache placement privilege back, we should still all be good stewards and abide by these rules and regulations. You can find more complete information at the following link.

-GD

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Anza Borrego Rules, Regulations, Precautions

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This visitor is are responsible for knowing park rules and regulations that protect Anza-Borrego Desert State Park! By following these rules you can help preserve its unique beauty. You make the difference.

 

Pets

 

* The desert can be a dangerous place for your pet, and it is recommended that you leave it at home, if possible.

* Pets must be under control at all times. They must be on a leash of no more than six feet during the day and confined in a vehicle or tent at night.

* Dogs are not allowed in the back-country, on foot trails, or in the Visitor Center.

 

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California State Parks guidelines

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Visiting Parks with Your Dog

 

California State Parks has many wonderful places for you and your dog to enjoy. We understand the benefits of visiting a state park with your dog - exercise is good for the body and spirit for both you and your furry companion. In general, dogs are permitted in most state parks but must be on a leash not exceeding six feet in length at all times. It’s always a good idea to call ahead to see if dogs are allowed in the state park you wish to visit. However, please pay special attention to the following when taking your pet to a state park:

 

* During the day, keep your dog on a leash that is no longer than six feet in length. If you leave your dog in a vehicle, remember that it may get too hot, even with the windows open.

* Please do not take your dog (unless it is a service animal) into buildings or trails, unless it’s designated.

* For sanitary reasons, dogs are not permitted on most beaches, except as listed below. Always check with a park ranger for any rules specific to the park you are visiting.

* Please keep your dog calm and quiet. Vicious or unusually noisy dogs will not be allowed in the park.

* At night, please keep your dog in your tent or vehicle to prevent conflicts between your dog and other dogs or passing campers.

* Please understand that Park Superintendents have the discretion to further restrict areas open to pets (i.e., trails, buildings, etc.).

* A rabies certificate or dog license may be required to bring a dog into a State Park.

 

Please remember that violations of these rules may lead to a costly citation. Remember too that you are financially responsible for injuries or damage caused by your dog. To ensure everyone’s visit to California State Parks is pleasant, please do not leave your pet unattended, and remember to clean up after them.

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Whether or not we ever get the cache placement privilege back, we should still all be good stewards and abide by these rules and regulations. You can find more complete information at the following link.

-GD

 

I am going to sound a little bitter, but what causes more damage to the park, people or dogs? I try to follow the rules wherever I go and I haven't been out to ABDSP but give me a break. My dog has never dumped garbage(specifically beers cans and bottles), never carved his name in anything, never purposely tried to run over an animal on the road, taken his vehicle offroading(don't think this bad but using it as an example), never stolen from or damaged archaeological sites, never dug up an archaelogical site(legally or not), etc. All these do more damage than anything my dog could do, but dogs are banned? Give me a break. And yes I do carry out my dogs feces whenever possible, which is more than most backcountry backpackers do.

 

Just me spouting. No need for a response.

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Whether or not we ever get the cache placement privilege back, we should still all be good stewards and abide by these rules and regulations. You can find more complete information at the following link.

-GD

 

I am going to sound a little bitter, but what causes more damage to the park, people or dogs? I try to follow the rules wherever I go and I haven't been out to ABDSP but give me a break. My dog has never dumped garbage(specifically beers cans and bottles), never carved his name in anything, never purposely tried to run over an animal on the road, taken his vehicle offroading(don't think this bad but using it as an example), never stolen from or damaged archaeological sites, never dug up an archaelogical site(legally or not), etc. All these do more damage than anything my dog could do, but dogs are banned? Give me a break. And yes I do carry out my dogs feces whenever possible, which is more than most backcountry backpackers do.

 

Just me spouting. No need for a response.

Agree, there has always been a balancing act between use and preservation. Those tradeoffs are reflected in the historically different approaches of the National Park Service and the National Forest Service and the BLM as well as the State Parks.

 

We're definitely not anti-dog. The majority of owners we know are very responsible regard to canine and human etiquette. Just pointing out the rules that apply to ABDSP to some who may not be aware of them. The recent logs that triggered the forum post specifically mentioned opportunities to chase animals. Whether or not the posts were done tongue in cheek (or jowl), it is not the kind of activity we want to promote in conjunction with geocaching.

 

Thanks for listening.

-GD

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Whether or not we ever get the cache placement privilege back, we should still all be good stewards and abide by these rules and regulations. You can find more complete information at the following link.

-GD

 

I am going to sound a little bitter, but what causes more damage to the park, people or dogs? I try to follow the rules wherever I go and I haven't been out to ABDSP but give me a break. My dog has never dumped garbage(specifically beers cans and bottles), never carved his name in anything, never purposely tried to run over an animal on the road, taken his vehicle offroading(don't think this bad but using it as an example), never stolen from or damaged archaeological sites, never dug up an archaelogical site(legally or not), etc. All these do more damage than anything my dog could do, but dogs are banned? Give me a break. And yes I do carry out my dogs feces whenever possible, which is more than most backcountry backpackers do.

 

Just me spouting. No need for a response.

Agree, there has always been a balancing act between use and preservation. Those tradeoffs are reflected in the historically different approaches of the National Park Service and the National Forest Service and the BLM as well as the State Parks.

 

We're definitely not anti-dog. The majority of owners we know are very responsible regard to canine and human etiquette. Just pointing out the rules that apply to ABDSP to some who may not be aware of them. The recent logs that triggered the forum post specifically mentioned opportunities to chase animals. Whether or not the posts were done tongue in cheek (or jowl), it is not the kind of activity we want to promote in conjunction with geocaching.

 

Thanks for listening.

-GD

 

Being a volunteer at Rancho Cuyamaca State Park gives me an insight to what Gecko Dad is saying. In that park dogs are only allowed in the campgrounds and on any paved road or path. They are not allowed on trails or in any wilderness area. Why? There are a variety of wild animals in the parks. When dogs mark their territory by peeing this upsets them and their natural habits. Dogs also chase wild animals at times, bark and do a variety of things that upset the natural animals. Also, we have cougars roaming the parks, yes, they're in Borrego and Cuyamaca both. If a dog is wandering the park or even on a leash, which they have to be at all times, they can still be attacked and eaten. We meet people on the trails who are letting their dogs run free. This can result in a costly ticket to an owner if the rangers so decide. I know how Warmouse feels as I had a dog who I liked to take hiking. But, please observe the park rules. Flaunting them can only make it that much harder for we geocachers to be accepted in the parks. CB

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On a lighter note ...

 

I just uploaded the little videos from "Heart Attack Hill" in case anyone wants to see the

 

descent of that very scary hill as accomplished by

 

and

 

. :(

Great clips, Karen. Here are five short clips from an April 2006 outing through The Squeeze

 

and down the Pinyon Dropoff with Ruscal, SlabyFam, and friends. Slow and steady with

 

spotters is definitely the way to go.

-GD

 

SlabyFam Cherokee passing

 

Inside Nelly Belle through

 

Our caravan passing

 

SlabyFam Cherokee on

(aka Heart Attack Hill) viewed from below

 

Mike's Cherokee on

viewed from above
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it was almost impossible to find 10 caches in a single day 5 years ago. :grin: I just noticed that 3 of us recently hit the 5 year barrier and RM is about to cross the 7 year barrier in May! :)

 

No you just had to work at it

I think it was Labor day weekend of 01 my then 7 year old Gson and I did 17 in one day in the OC

 

And 7 years in Feb

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it was almost impossible to find 10 caches in a single day 5 years ago. B) I just noticed that 3 of us recently hit the 5 year barrier and RM is about to cross the 7 year barrier in May! :)

 

No you just had to work at it

I think it was Labor day weekend of 01 my then 7 year old Gson and I did 17 in one day in the OC

 

And 7 years in Feb

I found ~30 caches in my first 3 months, and I cached one day on every weekend. Now people find 30 in 3 hours. :grin:

 

Congrats on 7 years Vagabond! If you read the old logs, you'll notice that there aren't too many people still around that were caching 7 years ago. Even Tuna has faded away.

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it was almost impossible to find 10 caches in a single day 5 years ago. B) I just noticed that 3 of us recently hit the 5 year barrier and RM is about to cross the 7 year barrier in May! :)

 

No you just had to work at it

I think it was Labor day weekend of 01 my then 7 year old Gson and I did 17 in one day in the OC

 

And 7 years in Feb

I found ~30 caches in my first 3 months, and I cached one day on every weekend. Now people find 30 in 3 hours. :grin:

 

Congrats on 7 years Vagabond! If you read the old logs, you'll notice that there aren't too many people still around that were caching 7 years ago. Even Tuna has faded away.

 

My first caches where in 2001. Does that make me an old timer, even though it was only about a dozen in that year and didn't log anything until 2003?

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it was almost impossible to find 10 caches in a single day 5 years ago. B) I just noticed that 3 of us recently hit the 5 year barrier and RM is about to cross the 7 year barrier in May! :)

 

No you just had to work at it

I think it was Labor day weekend of 01 my then 7 year old Gson and I did 17 in one day in the OC

 

And 7 years in Feb

I found ~30 caches in my first 3 months, and I cached one day on every weekend. Now people find 30 in 3 hours. :grin:

 

Congrats on 7 years Vagabond! If you read the old logs, you'll notice that there aren't too many people still around that were caching 7 years ago. Even Tuna has faded away.

 

My first caches where in 2001. Does that make me an old timer, even though it was only about a dozen in that year and didn't log anything until 2003?

Sure it makes you an old timer. Why don't those 12 show up? Either you didn't log them or maybe you created a new account in 2003....
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