The San Diego Thread

[+geospyder]

Jodi just reported that Channel 8 is currently in our neighborhood 16:45 and there are hot spots all around, but it looks like all the houses they are panning the camera by (15 of the 25 up there) are still intact. Not sure about the other 10. There is a fire turck at every house. Our flag is still flying. The preserve is still burning.

 

Any update?

[Parsa]

It's based on the new official fire map from SD Emergency.

http://www.sdcountyemergency.com/

[Parsa]

Various reports:

 

Cuyamaca is being evacuated. The city of Julian was already evacuated as well as Wynola and Pine Hills.

 

There's a fire at Mile Marker 16 on Highway 67.

 

A new flare up was reported at the I-15 near West Bernardo Dr.

[+nscaler]

Evacuations now ordered for parts of Julian and Eagle Peak area. Problem is that most of the phone lines are down so reverse 911 will not work. They are trying to get the news out through the media.

[+nscaler]

Spring valley and Chula Vista had NO houses destroyed. Good news.

Edited October 24, 2007 by nscaler

[+Team Adelos]

Hey J&J,

 

The news just showed one of your neighbors not wanting to leave because he had over 40,000 mice in their house! Hope those don't get loose. Good news is that they said each house and an engine while the hill side below burns out.

 

TA

[Parsa]

There's a CHP report of a start-up fire on Mt San Miguel:

 

Incident: 1090 Type: Structure or Grass Fire Location: SAN MIGUEL MOUNTAIN info as of: 10/23/2007 7:35:47 PM

 

ADDITIONAL DETAILS

7:35PM STARTED BACK UP SMALL SPOT LEFT OF TOWER

[+jahoadi and john]

Hey J&J,

 

The news just showed one of your neighbors not wanting to leave because he had over 40,000 mice in their house! Hope those don't get loose. Good news is that they said each house and an engine while the hill side below burns out.

 

TA

 

There is a reason for that. Yes, they raise mice. He also has dozens of snakes (and other types of animals.) He sells to Zoos and other places (we have "interesting" neighbors!) We hope it has now burned out in the area and will have to see how much brush burned all around our house. Thanks everyone for the private E mails and calls. We hope everyone is safe... Has anyone heard from Trailgators or Miragee?

 

Jahoadi and John

[+duganrm]

Wohoo, water is coming back on.

 

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The county's Office of Emergency Service has issued a boil water order for residents in Ramona. Any residents remaining in the city are asked use boiled water or bottled water for drinking and cooking until further notice. Tap water pressure is to be restored at 1 a.m.

[+TFTC]

Just got home from work in Encinitas and there is a mandatory evaction from Olivehain, so hope TFTC place is going to be ok. The fire is just west of the Bridges country club.

 

Forget our house! Let's just hope they can protect our caches!

 

 

We're ok - keeping our fingers crossed for our house! We evac'd to a house in La Costa where we we were living when we had to evac from the fires there a few years back. Seems like a ritual price we have to pay for all the great things we enjoy by living here.

 

We're back home - phew.

[+FlagMan]

Back home in Scripps, and it's very quiet here...

 

Anyone know how to do one of those polygon routes to match the burn zone so we can identify caches potentially affected by the fires?

[+The Dillon Gang]

Hope everyone is safe and well. With any luck we will all have our home still to go home to. our thoughts and prayers go out to those evacuated.

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

Back home in Scripps, and it's very quiet here...

 

Anyone know how to do one of those polygon routes to match the burn zone so we can identify caches potentially affected by the fires?

I just grabbed the Witch Creek polygon in the KML file (from KPBS) and massaged it to generate the following coordinates:

 

33.122601,-116.711884

33.069099,-116.689217

32.992531,-116.69265

32.95797,-116.732483

32.905529,-116.775047

32.906101,-116.787407

32.945869,-116.806641

32.977558,-116.80526

33.0173,-116.847832

33.035721,-116.842339

33.05241,-116.860191

33.032261,-116.94809

33.007511,-117.000267

33.005779,-117.00988

33.012112,-117.01606

33.01931,-117.026711

33.0196,-117.066872

33.02507,-117.092621

33.0242,-117.11837

33.018742,-117.147987

33.015701,-117.162491

33.013302,-117.172447

33.012691,-117.177422

33.011398,-117.180946

33.01255,-117.192192

33.013988,-117.193733

33.033421,-117.188408

33.050255,-117.175545

33.055866,-117.176399

33.06414,-117.171417

33.073132,-117.169876

33.092834,-117.168846

33.087799,-117.12455

33.095558,-117.111511

33.09269,-117.088852

33.088661,-117.051079

33.107639,-117.041473

33.124031,-117.04628

33.138699,-117.035294

33.128922,-116.985161

33.129501,-116.93573

33.128922,-116.89109

33.142151,-116.869118

33.138119,-116.80938

33.149052,-116.774361

33.138699,-116.756508

33.122601,-116.711884

 

Just cut and paste into GSAK.

 

When I ran this against my finds list, I have found 150 caches inside this polygon. But there are a bunch of caches north, south and east of Ramona that I haven't found yet that are inside this perimeter.

Edited October 24, 2007 by Let's Look Over Thayer

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

Here are the coords for the Harris Fire polygon:

 

32.579788,-116.609573

32.597149,-116.617119

32.61277,-116.588966

32.622021,-116.609573

32.619129,-116.636353

32.633011,-116.656258

32.644569,-116.68029

32.65382,-116.713249

32.656719,-116.738663

32.658451,-116.740723

32.667122,-116.750328

32.675209,-116.764748

32.69775,-116.82518

32.70295,-116.879417

32.705841,-116.897957

32.705261,-116.91375

32.70266,-116.932121

32.702518,-116.936928

32.70425,-116.942757

32.705841,-116.946198

32.705551,-116.950493

32.70454,-116.954262

32.703239,-116.96096

32.699478,-116.962334

32.695148,-116.960442

32.698761,-116.959587

32.69746,-116.960098

32.692841,-116.960793

32.691109,-116.959587

32.688938,-116.9589

32.686481,-116.956841

32.682442,-116.951691

32.67926,-116.94603

32.673481,-116.942589

32.667122,-116.940529

32.662498,-116.938469

32.663071,-116.942589

32.653542,-116.934013

32.63995,-116.920624

32.637642,-116.880791

32.634171,-116.843712

32.620869,-116.834099

32.609879,-116.862251

32.593102,-116.847832

32.59137,-116.779861

32.568218,-116.740723

32.579788,-116.609573

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

And now for the "If you give a man a program, he'll be frustrated for a day. If you teach him to program, he'll be frustrated for a lifetime" part...

 

This is the quick and dirty, brute force method. There is probably a more elegant but it's late, I'm tired and this worked...

1. Save the polygon as a .KML file.

2. Open up the .KML file in a text editor and strip out all the XML goo (in other words, just leave the list of coordinates)

3. Search and replace to convert "0 -11" to 0<cr>-11" (this puts everything into comma delimited columns. <cr> means "carriage return")

4. Save this as a .CSV file.

5. Open up the .CSV file in Excel

6. Delete the altitude column (third column that is all 0s)

7. Swap the longitude and latitude columns

8. Save as a comma delimited file (.CSV), but use a .TXT file extension.

9. Either load this file into the GSAK polygon filter or open it and cut and paste into the GSAK polygon filter.

Edited October 24, 2007 by Let's Look Over Thayer

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

One other thing: These coordinates were for the estimated fire perimeter at 1:00pm on Oct 23. Obviously, the perimeters have gotten bigger since that time...(and they may also change as we get better information from the field about what really burned...

Edited October 24, 2007 by Let's Look Over Thayer

[+jahoadi and john]

Wohoo, water is coming back on.

 

----------------------------------------------------------

The county's Office of Emergency Service has issued a boil water order for residents in Ramona. Any residents remaining in the city are asked use boiled water or bottled water for drinking and cooking until further notice. Tap water pressure is to be restored at 1 a.m.

 

Time for your weekly shower now Richard......

[+jahoadi and john]

Jodi just reported that Channel 8 is currently in our neighborhood 16:45 and there are hot spots all around, but it looks like all the houses they are panning the camera by (15 of the 25 up there) are still intact. Not sure about the other 10. There is a fire turck at every house. Our flag is still flying. The preserve is still burning.

 

Any update?

 

Quiet night in our area Spyder. I don't know when Jodi will be able to get in to see the area. Lots of others have gone back home, but some still can't get home yet.

[+drat19]

Just a "thoughts and prayers" post to everyone in SoCal re the fires, from a Katrina survivor in South Mississippi who appreciated the same from the caching community when we had our disaster in '05.

[Parsa]

Sorry to say this, but parts of Encinitas and Carlsbad are now under voluntary evacuation.

 

The I-5 and Amtrak are closed since one of the Pendleton fires is at the freeway now.

A CHP fire report is for Harbor Drive at the I-5, but I think it's north of Las Pulgas...?

 

De Luz is being evacuated from one of the fires.

 

Bonsall, San Luis Rey Heights and Winterwarm on the north side of Highway 76 are being evacuated.

 

Fallbrook was re-evacuated around midnight.

 

Birch Hill, the area near the store on Palomar, is being evacuated.

 

The Poomacha fire is straddling state Route 76 just south of Palomar Mountain.

The road is closed in both directions. The flames were about a mile away from the Witch fire and fire officials expect the two fires may have already converged.

 

From the UT:

"Citing dangerous weather conditions and poor air quality, San Diego City Attorney Michael Aguirre this week advocated a voluntary evacuation of the nation's eighth-largest city. In separate interviews with The San Diego Union-Tribune yesterday, the police chief, fire chief and mayor's office said Aguirre urged them to consider such an exodus after the wildfires began Sunday. A spokesman for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said the administration also was aware of the request. Everybody agreed it was a bad idea."

He's a real smart guy, isn't he?

 

Parsa

[Parsa]

There's a new perimeter map on the SD County emergency site. 5:40 am.

 

http://www.sdcountyemergency.com/

 

It's good as it show the actual burning areas where they are fighting fires.

Edited October 24, 2007 by Parsa

[+duganrm]

Time for your weekly shower now Richard......

Water pressure is fairly low so I don't know if I would want to do that quite yet. I found out from some neighbors last night that someone had physically gone door to door and turned the water main off at each house and then water mains to the areas. We turned our main back on at about 10 last night and got enough water pressure for necessities.

 

We wandered through the ghost town of Ramona last night and found that there were quite a few people that did not evacuate. We found Stater Brothers open for groceries. We found Stars, Circle K, and Daniels all open for gas. We found the Cheers, Subway, and the Turkey Inn open for food and drink. And we noticed at least one feed store open for food for the animals. We were actually suprised and thankful this many places had enough employees still in the area so that they could stay open.

[+TFTC]

Sorry to say this, but parts of Encinitas and Carlsbad are now under voluntary evacuation.

No sign of this on the Encinitas web site!

[+Team Adelos]

And now for the "If you give a man a program, he'll be frustrated for a day. If you teach him to program, he'll be frustrated for a lifetime" part...

 

This is the quick and dirty, brute force method. There is probably a more elegant but it's late, I'm tired and this worked...

1. Save the polygon as a .KML file.

2. Open up the .KML file in a text editor and strip out all the XML goo (in other words, just leave the list of coordinates)

3. Search and replace to convert "0 -11" to 0<cr>-11" (this puts everything into comma delimited columns. <cr> means "carriage return")

4. Save this as a .CSV file.

5. Open up the .CSV file in Excel

6. Delete the altitude column (third column that is all 0s)

7. Swap the longitude and latitude columns

8. Save as a comma delimited file (.CSV), but use a .TXT file extension.

9. Either load this file into the GSAK polygon filter or open it and cut and paste into the GSAK polygon filter.

 

Very cool how you can do that.. thanks for the walk though. It is amazing how big this fire has gotten.

 

TA

[+Toby's Gang]

Time for your weekly shower now Richard......

Water pressure is fairly low so I don't know if I would want to do that quite yet. I found out from some neighbors last night that someone had physically gone door to door and turned the water main off at each house and then water mains to the areas. We turned our main back on at about 10 last night and got enough water pressure for necessities.

 

We wandered through the ghost town of Ramona last night and found that there were quite a few people that did not evacuate. We found Stater Brothers open for groceries. We found Stars, Circle K, and Daniels all open for gas. We found the Cheers, Subway, and the Turkey Inn open for food and drink. And we noticed at least one feed store open for food for the animals. We were actually suprised and thankful this many places had enough employees still in the area so that they could stay open.

 

 

You didn't happen to go near my house did you? I was no where near the burn area but what I'm concerned about is looters. I saw the sheriffs arrested some people caught looting.

[+kawikaturn]

I just spoke to Pat Trailgators - They are fine. They evacuated the San Pasqual area Sunday at 2am. He is anxious to get back home and post some replies on the forum I am sure!

Edited October 24, 2007 by kawikaturn

[+The Senior Sleuths]

At the risk of sounding morbid, insensitive and uncaring, here is a link to a Google Earth map, that will show both the fire areas, and the caches in them (assuming you automatically load your caches kml too. Click on the KPBS link and "open in Google Earth".

Interestingly, the "San Miguel Ranch Evacuation" is linked to an rural airstrip 40 miles east of Las Vegas, New Mexico! (This fire is much more widespread than I thought! )

 

Been thinking about all those caches around Blue Sky, Lake Poway, Woodson, Lake Hodges etc.) Assuming that they survived, maybe it'll be easier to get to Mont Saint Michel and Old Glory now...

 

Speaking of Lake Hodges caches, anyone heard from Senior Sleuths?

 

Senior Sleuths checking in. We returned last night from being back east. We hear our home is still there, but it was a very close call. We hear it burned to our property line, but the winds were blowing west and we were east. As for most of my caches, I think they are toast. Our house is just below "A Piece of Cake". We will be at our daughters in Clairemont until they let us come into the area.

[+Team PodCacher]

Not sure if this has already been posted, but here is a map that was sent to us:

 

http://tinyurl.com/3yspk4

[+duganrm]

You didn't happen to go near my house did you? I was no where near the burn area but what I'm concerned about is looters. I saw the sheriffs arrested some people caught looting.

I didn't make it south of main street there. We are about to head out and see if we can find a couple of my coworkers that we haven't heard from. We can stop by your place on our way out. I'll try to give you a call when we are over there.

[+Cornerstone4]

Time for your weekly shower now Richard......

Water pressure is fairly low so I don't know if I would want to do that quite yet. I found out from some neighbors last night that someone had physically gone door to door and turned the water main off at each house and then water mains to the areas. We turned our main back on at about 10 last night and got enough water pressure for necessities.

 

We wandered through the ghost town of Ramona last night and found that there were quite a few people that did not evacuate. We found Stater Brothers open for groceries. We found Stars, Circle K, and Daniels all open for gas. We found the Cheers, Subway, and the Turkey Inn open for food and drink. And we noticed at least one feed store open for food for the animals. We were actually suprised and thankful this many places had enough employees still in the area so that they could stay open.

 

 

You didn't happen to go near my house did you? I was no where near the burn area but what I'm concerned about is looters. I saw the sheriffs arrested some people caught looting.

 

Give me your street, or the area where you live. One of my best friends is a Sheriff Deputy up there. I can get him on his cell and ask him if he can check on it for you.

 

Dave

[+Cornerstone4]

Time for your weekly shower now Richard......

Water pressure is fairly low so I don't know if I would want to do that quite yet. I found out from some neighbors last night that someone had physically gone door to door and turned the water main off at each house and then water mains to the areas. We turned our main back on at about 10 last night and got enough water pressure for necessities.

 

We wandered through the ghost town of Ramona last night and found that there were quite a few people that did not evacuate. We found Stater Brothers open for groceries. We found Stars, Circle K, and Daniels all open for gas. We found the Cheers, Subway, and the Turkey Inn open for food and drink. And we noticed at least one feed store open for food for the animals. We were actually suprised and thankful this many places had enough employees still in the area so that they could stay open.

 

 

You didn't happen to go near my house did you? I was no where near the burn area but what I'm concerned about is looters. I saw the sheriffs arrested some people caught looting.

 

Give me your street, or the area where you live. One of my best friends is a Sheriff Deputy up there. I can get him on his cell and ask him if he can check on it for you.

 

Dave

 

I just called him. He said there are a lot of people "looking" around out there, but they are chasing them off. He said if you send me your addy, he will do a drive by and make sure everything is ok. Send it to my email address.

 

Dave

[Parsa]

Sorry if the news on Encinitas and Carlsbad was a false alarm, but they did announce it on the news early this morning, perhaps due to Rancho Santa Fe fires. All that area seems to be under control now I think.

 

They arrested several illegals at Qualcomm just now. They admitted they were being paid to go into Qualcomm over the last couple days and take free stuff out, stuff that was for use at Qualcomm, not off site. Someone in Mira Mesa was paying them to steal the stuff.

 

Parsa

Edited October 24, 2007 by Parsa

[+Snake & Rooster]

Sorry if the news on Encinitas and Carlsbad was a false alarm, but they did announce it on the news early this morning, perhaps due to Rancho Santa Fe fires. All that area seems to be under control now I think.

 

They arrested several illegals at Qualcomm just now. They admitted they were being paid to go into Qualcomm over the last couple days and take free stuff out, stuff that was for use at Qualcomm, not off site. Someone in Mira Mesa was paying them to steal the stuff.

 

Parsa

 

 

Ah, free enterprise at its finest!

[+geospyder]

Spotted this quote in an article about the fires. Interesting concept if you have an answering machine in the house - presuming the phone lines are still alive in the area.

 

"I called my home and my answering machine still works, so that's how I know we're OK," said Rancho Bernardo resident Fuli Du, who packed his belongings Wednesday preparing to leave Qualcomm.

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

I just spoke to Pat Trailgators...He is anxious to get back home and post some replies on the forum I am sure!

Anxious? That probably doesn't even come close... The man hasn't been able to post a message in two and a half days. I expect that he's about ready to pop!

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

Spotted this quote in an article about the fires. Interesting concept if you have an answering machine in the house - presuming the phone lines are still alive in the area.

"I called my home and my answering machine still works, so that's how I know we're OK," said Rancho Bernardo resident Fuli Du, who packed his belongings Wednesday preparing to leave Qualcomm.

Having lived my entire life in New Mexico, Colorado, and California, this is a technique that my friends and family have been using for years.

 

I always imagine, though, the following scene. The place is barren wasteland. Nothing but rubble, chimneys, jumbles of plumbing, and melted appliances covered in ash. And in the center of it all is an charred telephone table with an unscathed answering machine: "I am sorry. We are unable to come to phone right now. Please leave your message at the sound of the beep..."

[+TFTC]

Spotted this quote in an article about the fires. Interesting concept if you have an answering machine in the house - presuming the phone lines are still alive in the area.

 

"I called my home and my answering machine still works, so that's how I know we're OK," said Rancho Bernardo resident Fuli Du, who packed his belongings Wednesday preparing to leave Qualcomm.

That's what we did - called our answering machine every few hours! Good thing we didn't go with voice mail!

[WashoeZephyr]

I always imagine, though, the following scene. The place is barren wasteland. Nothing but rubble, chimneys, jumbles of plumbing, and melted appliances covered in ash. And in the center of it all is an charred telephone table with an unscathed answering machine: "I am sorry. We are unable to come to phone right now. Please leave your message at the sound of the beep..."

[+jahoadi and john]

I always imagine, though, the following scene. The place is barren wasteland. Nothing but rubble, chimneys, jumbles of plumbing, and melted appliances covered in ash. And in the center of it all is an charred telephone table with an unscathed answering machine: "I am sorry. We are unable to come to phone right now. Please leave your message at the sound of the beep..."

 

 

We also have tried calling our answering machine....... It has been a busy tone for two days. So it can give a false indiction of something worse then it is. A neighbor who bullied his way back into our area to his house is currently going over to ours to put out a couple of "smoldering" areas... The fire trucks aren't there right now....

[+"lostguy"]

I always imagine, though, the following scene. The place is barren wasteland. Nothing but rubble, chimneys, jumbles of plumbing, and melted appliances covered in ash. And in the center of it all is an charred telephone table with an unscathed answering machine: "I am sorry. We are unable to come to phone right now. Please leave your message at the sound of the beep..."

 

 

We also have tried calling our answering machine....... It has been a busy tone for two days. So it can give a false indiction of something worse then it is. A neighbor who bullied his way back into our area to his house is currently going over to ours to put out a couple of "smoldering" areas... The fire trucks aren't there right now....

Once you guys find out that your house is alright then I just bought a bunch of rolls of Black electric tape so we can rehide out Sweetwater area caches.

[+LeoGeo]

Confirm or deny? I was told that Channel 10 had reported, around noon or 1:00 pm, that there was a new fire in Rancho Bernardo.

 

I had been listening to KPBS and KOGO and had heard nothing about this, nor can I find it on any TV station's website, and, in fact, I've been hearing that people are being allowed back into RB, Penasquitos, etc., which presumably wouldn't be happening if there was a new fire there.

 

Did anyone else hear any such report?

[+Team Adelos]

Sorry if the news on Encinitas and Carlsbad was a false alarm, but they did announce it on the news early this morning, perhaps due to Rancho Santa Fe fires. All that area seems to be under control now I think.

 

They arrested several illegals at Qualcomm just now. They admitted they were being paid to go into Qualcomm over the last couple days and take free stuff out, stuff that was for use at Qualcomm, not off site. Someone in Mira Mesa was paying them to steal the stuff.

 

Parsa

 

 

Ah, free enterprise at its finest!

 

Incredible!

[+"lostguy"]

Confirm or deny? I was told that Channel 10 had reported, around noon or 1:00 pm, that there was a new fire in Rancho Bernardo.

 

I had been listening to KPBS and KOGO and had heard nothing about this, nor can I find it on any TV station's website, and, in fact, I've been hearing that people are being allowed back into RB, Penasquitos, etc., which presumably wouldn't be happening if there was a new fire there.

 

Did anyone else hear any such report?

The nursing home where I work took in some residents from a Rancho Bernardo nursing home and we are sending them back to the Remington Club of Rancho Bernardo so I am assuming that the area is safe.

Edited October 24, 2007 by "lostguy"

[+"lostguy"]

Has anyone heard from Miragee. I see that she hasn't logged onto the website since 10/21. Hopefully all is well.

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

We also have tried calling our answering machine....... It has been a busy tone for two days. So it can give a false indiction of something worse then it is.

All too true. During the 2000 Cerro Grande fire (Los Alamos, NM), we had been calling the house of a friend of ours. This house was on a canyon surrounded by ponderosa and would have been the first in that part of town to go. Just about the time that we figured that the fire was going to get there, the answering machine stopped responding and we figured the house was gone. Fortunately, it was just that the power had gone out.

[Parsa]

Our electricity has been going on and off. We are not running the AC, but I noticed it in the guest bathroom that has no windows. The person from San Onofre NGS said that ash from the fire was hitting the insulators on the main distribution lines near the Marine Base, and that they had shut down some lines and had fluctuating behavior on the remainder. She said they might have to shut down the final line and that San Diego would have to rely on our few fossil fuel generators for power.

[+Snake & Rooster]

Confirm or deny? I was told that Channel 10 had reported, around noon or 1:00 pm, that there was a new fire in Rancho Bernardo.

 

I had been listening to KPBS and KOGO and had heard nothing about this, nor can I find it on any TV station's website, and, in fact, I've been hearing that people are being allowed back into RB, Penasquitos, etc., which presumably wouldn't be happening if there was a new fire there.

 

Did anyone else hear any such report?

The nursing home where I work took in some residents from a Rancho Bernardo nursing home and we are sending them back to the Remington Club of Rancho Bernardo so I am assuming that the area is safe.

 

 

According to this source, a major part of RB is open again.

[+Snake & Rooster]

I always imagine, though, the following scene. The place is barren wasteland. Nothing but rubble, chimneys, jumbles of plumbing, and melted appliances covered in ash. And in the center of it all is an charred telephone table with an unscathed answering machine: "I am sorry. We are unable to come to phone right now. Please leave your message at the sound of the beep..."

 

 

We also have tried calling our answering machine....... It has been a busy tone for two days. So it can give a false indiction of something worse then it is. A neighbor who bullied his way back into our area to his house is currently going over to ours to put out a couple of "smoldering" areas... The fire trucks aren't there right now....

Once you guys find out that your house is alright then I just bought a bunch of rolls of Black electric tape so we can rehide out Sweetwater area caches.

 

 

Personally, I think that any cache that burned should be archived, not replaced. Then, put a new one out for us to find.

 

It will also help keep that pinko commie rat, Marko busy.

[+Marko Ramius]

...

 

It will also help keep that pinko commie rat, Marko busy.

Why I oughta! Do rats have long memories? If you had ever actually seen me (which I am quite certain that none of you have), you would know that I much more resemble the elephant than the rat...

[+Let's Look Over Thayer]

It will also help keep that pinko commie rat, Marko busy.

Why I oughta! Do rats have long memories? If you had ever actually seen me (which I am quite certain that none of you have), you would know that I much more resemble the elephant than the rat...

Ah hah! Marko is a commie pinko elephant!

 

That explains this photo of some cachers trying to get their caches approved...