+John&Jess Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 (edited) ...does anyone feel that posting numbers that are generated on Google Earth is an acceptable means of placing a cache?... TT didn't own a GPSr when he first started caching, and he found who knows how many just with topo maps, etc. There some other cacher out there with thousands of finds who doesn't use a GPSr. But that's FINDING caches. Hiding them should be done using the most accurate method available in my book. Google Earth doesn't seem to be the most accurate method.... Yep, we've found a handful using Google maps/sans-GPSr... That being said, averaging, by hand or GPSr is probably the way to go (the quickest link we could find on the subject)! Just don't do what we did and average over the course of weeks or you'll loose some great spots to others! J&J Edit to add: Contrary to our above recommedation, we did not exactly average the coords for our first hide... We had two different units with us and they did not agree. So we went with the newer GPSr. From the logs on that cache it seems we should have gone wih the trusty old BYE!! Edited August 20, 2005 by John&Jess Quote Link to comment
Parsa Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 I may be wrong, but I believe the Ramona Girls are just that... kids. If that's true, and they have this much interest in the sport, maybe we should all chip in and by them a simple GPS. Then a few of us could show them the ropes of using it. However, I agree that online maps should not be used to place a cache unless it is an offset cache. In that case a calibrated electronic map will get you to a street corner, and descriptions will take you to the cache. For a micro under a lamp skirt it's not a good idea. Parsa Quote Link to comment
+samiaminca Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 ...does anyone feel that posting numbers that are generated on Google Earth is an acceptable means of placing a cache?... TT didn't own a GPSr when he first started caching, and he found who knows how many just with topo maps, etc. There some other cacher out there with thousands of finds who doesn't use a GPSr. But that's FINDING caches. Hiding them should be done using the most accurate method available in my book. Google Earth doesn't seem to be the most accurate method.... Yep, we've found a handful using Google maps/sans-GPSr... That being said, averaging, by hand or GPSr is probably the way to go (the quickest link we could find on the subject)! Just don't do what we did and average over the course of weeks or you'll loose some great spots to others! J&J I don't have that many hides, but the ones I do, I normally visit the site three to four times before I ever publish the numbers. My first numbers are on the scouting run, the 2nd to verify, and the third and sometimes fourth to place before I submit the cache. On a few occasions my numbers have been different on every visit (imagine the nightmare that could be on a multi). If the numbers are off, I attempt to adjust appropriately. However there are places that seem to never get a good reading. Ironically on "Sometimes Here... Sometimes There..." the readings are rarely ever the same, and one finder reported that the numbers were off by a few dozen miles(?). We should strive to be as accurate as possible when we hide our caches. I know we all have our own methods for finding that works for each of us. But I always expect at least a 30ft error. Quote Link to comment
+TrailGators Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 ...does anyone feel that posting numbers that are generated on Google Earth is an acceptable means of placing a cache?... TT didn't own a GPSr when he first started caching, and he found who knows how many just with topo maps, etc. There some other cacher out there with thousands of finds who doesn't use a GPSr. But that's FINDING caches. Hiding them should be done using the most accurate method available in my book. Google Earth doesn't seem to be the most accurate method.... I agree with Tom that we should always try to be as accurate as possible! Inaccurate coords also often lead to needless trampling of vegetation/landscaped areas. Quote Link to comment
+TFTC Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 I may be wrong, but I believe the Ramona Girls are just that... kids. If that's true, and they have this much interest in the sport, maybe we should all chip in and by them a simple GPS. Then a few of us could show them the ropes of using it. Short of that, maybe the first few finders can act as their support team and offer them a good set of coordinates to average. Quote Link to comment
+Cornerstone4 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 QUOTE (Parsa @ Aug 19 2005, 08:15 PM) I may be wrong, but I believe the Ramona Girls are just that... kids. If that's true, and they have this much interest in the sport, maybe we should all chip in and by them a simple GPS. Then a few of us could show them the ropes of using it. Short of that, maybe the first few finders can act as their support team and offer them a good set of coordinates to average. Actually, I started this topic for personal knowledge, I thought maybe there was something I didn't know about. As far as the ages of the Ramona Girls, there pic does show 3 girls, but all of their "Homer" series caches are dedicated to her "dear hubby" that works at Home Depot. So, there is a parent involved. At any rate, I found #9 in their waterfall series tonight, and it was spot on! Other caches of theirs have been right on as well, it was just a handful that were way off! It may be that they were trying something new, and now know it wasn't working too well. C4 Quote Link to comment
+samiaminca Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 As far as the ages of the Ramona Girls, there pic does show 3 girls, Profiles can be deceiving. Quote Link to comment
+pqcachers Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Hey, here's another idea, blindfold Geocaching. When you get close you have to put on a blindfold to finish the hunt. Harmon Fun until you stub your toe on a toilet sitting in a field Quote Link to comment
+smilinglady13 Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Have a fun time at the Pizza event guys, sorry I couldn't be there to eat, drink and be merry with you all. We're off down to Baja for a couple of days of R&R. Talking of events, I know there are at least 3 of us (me, zatyko and devhead) who like to take part in the various running events that go on around town, and I was wondering if there'd be much interest in making one of them into an event cache? It usually costs $20-30 to enter, though some also take donations/pledges from your family and friends. You can often enter as a team, which would make it more fun, and they're usually in the sort of place where you can have a picnic afterwards, so non-runners could still join in the fun. Here's a good local running calendar - I would suggest a few possibilities: 10/02/05 Balboa Park, 5K walk and 10K run benefitting AIDS charities in SD county. 10/08/05 Pacific Beach, 8K run as part of Pacific Beachfest 10/09/05 Downtown to Coronado, 8K over the bridge 11/06/05 Balboa Park, 5K Susan Komen Race for the Cure Any takers? This would be great. I am training for a marthon so anytime I can get an amble with a group the better. Quote Link to comment
+FlagMan Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 (edited) Hey, here's another idea, blindfold Geocaching. When you get close you have to put on a blindfold to finish the hunt.... Everyone should do the Gridlocked series that way -- but the WHOLE way! Edited August 20, 2005 by FlagMan Quote Link to comment
+Miragee Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 . . . Hey, here's another idea, blindfold Geocaching. When you get close you have to put on a blindfold to finish the hunt. Harmon Uhhhh. Then don't go after one of the stages of one of Flagman's puzzle cache. These nice ladies were everywhere. Quote Link to comment
+SD Rowdies Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Hey, here's another idea, blindfold Geocaching. When you get close you have to put on a blindfold to finish the hunt. Harmon Fun until you stub your toe on a toilet sitting in a field Toilet? Whaddaya mean toilet? You talkin' about a cowboy cache girl? We could always ask Passing Wind to sit on the toilet so's finders could home in on it with their nose. Glad to see so much positive response to this idea. It's nice to know that Geocachers have such highly developed powers of visualization. Quote Link to comment
+Dan-oh Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 <snip> Hiding them should be done using the most accurate method available in my book. Google Earth doesn't seem to be the most accurate method.... I think getting "accurate" coordinates can be one of the biggest problems for new cachers on their first hides. I know that I've had problems with bad coords on some of my earlier caches but hopefully I'm past that now. Parsa taught me an averaging method that seems to work. I let the unit settle in then record coordinates every 30 seconds for 2-8 minutes. I throw out the extreme high and extreme low and average. When I go back to actually place the container a day of two later, I make sure to get within 10 ft of ground zero, the accepted GPSr accuracy. Its a real drag to get incorrect coords when I make permanent WP tags on a multi. You be sure Parsa and I worked on the numbers for Snake & Ladders for a while. There's more than 2 way points on that one! Quote Link to comment
+TrailGators Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 <snip> Hiding them should be done using the most accurate method available in my book. Google Earth doesn't seem to be the most accurate method.... I think getting "accurate" coordinates can be one of the biggest problems for new cachers on their first hides. I know that I've had problems with bad coords on some of my earlier caches but hopefully I'm past that now. Parsa taught me an averaging method that seems to work. I let the unit settle in then record coordinates every 30 seconds for 2-8 minutes. I throw out the extreme high and extreme low and average. When I go back to actually place the container a day of two later, I make sure to get within 10 ft of ground zero, the accepted GPSr accuracy. Its a real drag to get incorrect coords when I make permanent WP tags on a multi. You be sure Parsa and I worked on the numbers for Snake & Ladders for a while. There's more than 2 way points on that one! Many GPSs come with a averaging feature! Rocket Man showed me this handy feature on the 60CS. So for the past few caches I've placed I've taken an average of 50 points. Also whenever, we've found a cache off the mark, we've posted coords using this method. However, my Cougar Ridge cache was under tree cover so I also had to back out away from the trees and approach the coordinates several times from each direction until I was convinced I had the right coords. But it's still possible they could be off so I also added a hint with a photo of the view from the correct spot. Quote Link to comment
+FlagMan Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 . . . Hey, here's another idea, blindfold Geocaching. When you get close you have to put on a blindfold to finish the hunt. Harmon Uhhhh. Then don't go after one of the stages of one of Flagman's puzzle cache. These nice ladies were everywhere. Which of my caches was that? Quote Link to comment
+Miragee Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Larabee's communication center for Zis Is KAOS, Ve Don’t Bush-vaak Here! Those nice "ladies" were everywhere along there! By now those egg sacks have probably matured. Imagine how many spiders there are now!! :lol: Quote Link to comment
+FlagMan Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Larabee's communication center for Zis Is KAOS, Ve Don’t Bush-vaak Here! Those nice "ladies" were everywhere along there! By now those egg sacks have probably matured. Imagine how many spiders there are now!! :lol: Yikes! Do you think it is still safe to communicate with the chief? Quote Link to comment
+devhead Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Have a fun time at the Pizza event guys, sorry I couldn't be there to eat, drink and be merry with you all. We're off down to Baja for a couple of days of R&R. Talking of events, I know there are at least 3 of us (me, zatyko and devhead) who like to take part in the various running events that go on around town, and I was wondering if there'd be much interest in making one of them into an event cache? It usually costs $20-30 to enter, though some also take donations/pledges from your family and friends. You can often enter as a team, which would make it more fun, and they're usually in the sort of place where you can have a picnic afterwards, so non-runners could still join in the fun. Here's a good local running calendar - I would suggest a few possibilities: 10/02/05 Balboa Park, 5K walk and 10K run benefitting AIDS charities in SD county. 10/08/05 Pacific Beach, 8K run as part of Pacific Beachfest 10/09/05 Downtown to Coronado, 8K over the bridge 11/06/05 Balboa Park, 5K Susan Komen Race for the Cure Any takers? This would be great. I am training for a marthon so anytime I can get an amble with a group the better. Well Dr. B. Since you brought it up....I've been waiting for the right moment to mention this fund raiser . Not exactly a run, but hey, bike riding is healthy too. Dan-oh are you going to be ghost riding again this year? last year was fun, every year is fun. Lets see how many GCers we can get on two wheels and do a few night caches while raising money for a good cause, oh and getting some exercise too! Quote Link to comment
+Miragee Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 (edited) Larabee's communication center for Zis Is KAOS, Ve Don’t Bush-vaak Here! Those nice "ladies" were everywhere along there! By now those egg sacks have probably matured. Imagine how many spiders there are now!! :lol: Yikes! Do you think it is still safe to communicate with the chief? Yes. Just use your best "Get Smart" spy techniques and you can avoid the dreaded Black Widows and their sticky, very sticky, traps. However, I don't recommend reaching for the communication gear wearing a blindfold. Edit to add appropriate quote . . . must remember to refresh before replying, must remember to refresh before replying, must remember to refesh before replying . . . Edited August 21, 2005 by Miragee Quote Link to comment
+Pioneer 'n' Tiff Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 . . . Hey, here's another idea, blindfold Geocaching. When you get close you have to put on a blindfold to finish the hunt. Harmon Uhhhh. Then don't go after one of the stages of one of Flagman's puzzle cache. These nice ladies were everywhere. Just to clarify....whats ort of spider is that? I ask cause if the red "hour glass" insignia that is on it's belly, were in fact on it's back, it would be one of the most nastiest garden variety spiders were I use to live. Red Back Spider Quote Link to comment
+SD Rowdies Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 (edited) However, I don't recommend reaching for the communication gear wearing a blindfold. C'mon, use your imagination, blindfolded with boxing gloves should do it. To be truly safe wear one of those "Fruit of the Loom" trademark outfits, go as the grape guy. Heck, I'd pay t' see that. Edited August 21, 2005 by SD Rowdies Quote Link to comment
+FlagMan Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 . . . Hey, here's another idea, blindfold Geocaching. When you get close you have to put on a blindfold to finish the hunt. Harmon Uhhhh. Then don't go after one of the stages of one of Flagman's puzzle cache. These nice ladies were everywhere. Just to clarify....whats ort of spider is that? I ask cause if the red "hour glass" insignia that is on it's belly, were in fact on it's back, it would be one of the most nastiest garden variety spiders were I use to live. Red Back Spider Not much doubt in my mind - seems to be a Black Widow. Click Here For Identification. The "Red Back Spider" is the Australian equivalent, apparently... Quote Link to comment
+HelBob Duo Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Don't forget the pizza party tonight. Quote Link to comment
Parsa Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Yes, It's an American Black Widow spider. They are poisonous, but not as bad as the Red Back in Australia. Also, definitely nowhere near as bad as the Funnelweb! The Widow can give you a bad injury and sickness, and possibly cause death, especially in children and the elderly. I saw a public broadcasting special on poisonous animals in Australia, and I'm sure the tourism board would not want you watching that one! Man, there are a lot of things that can kill you in minutes over there! We're pretty lucky in the States. We have animals with toxins, but none are nearly as bad as those in other parts of the world. Parsa Quote Link to comment
Parsa Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Are there any new caches in Clairmont Mesa today? I absolutely cannot get the server to show me maps or lists of caches. Thank goodness I did my Pocket Queries ahead of time. Parsa Quote Link to comment
+FlagMan Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 (edited) Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... Edited August 21, 2005 by FlagMan Quote Link to comment
+TrailGators Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... Congrats D-Jollymon on 1 ! Quote Link to comment
+PassingWind Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... Way to go bro!! Congrats on the 1000 milestone and representing. Quote Link to comment
+D-Jollymon Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... Congrats D-Jollymon on 1 ! Thanks guys!!! I'll see ya at the party!!!! Quote Link to comment
+D-Jollymon Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... Way to go bro!! Congrats on the 1000 milestone and representing. I've GOTTA get me one of these!!! Quote Link to comment
+John&Jess Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... SUH-WEET!! BIG Congrats!! J&J Quote Link to comment
+Pioneer 'n' Tiff Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 A heart round of applause for Princess Toadstool on a great evening of people, cache, goodies and good times. Quote Link to comment
+pqcachers Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... Way to go, Dave!!!! Quote Link to comment
+Miragee Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... Congrat to D-Jollymon on 1000! Good job!! ---------------------------- I also want to thank Princess Toadstool for all her hard work to make the Pizza Event such a success! I'm really looking forward to the next event. Quote Link to comment
+smilinglady13 Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... Great job D-Jollymon on your 1000!!! Princess Toadstool you did a super awesome job of putting the pizza party together!!!! Thank you a whole bunch. Quote Link to comment
+Cornerstone4 Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 QUOTE (FlagMan @ Aug 21 2005, 03:10 PM) Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... Way to go Dave! You betcha! (That was the phrase I was looking for last night! C4 Quote Link to comment
+TrailGators Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Way to go Dave! You betcha! (That was the phrase I was looking for last night! C4 Is that a "Fargo" reference? Quote Link to comment
+Cornerstone4 Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 QUOTE (Cornerstone4 @ Aug 22 2005, 02:31 PM) Way to go Dave! You betcha! (That was the phrase I was looking for last night! C4 Is that a "Fargo" reference? Now that you mention it, they did say that in the movie didn't they? Actually, in my searching for coins for my collection, I came across a thread where they were discussing making a Minnesota coin. Someone suggested putting the phrase "You betcha" on the coin, since they loved hearing a Minnesotan say that. When I found out Dave was from MN, I was trying to remember what the phrase was so he could say it for me! I never did remember, so I never got to hear it first hand. Quote Link to comment
+TrailGators Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 QUOTE (Cornerstone4 @ Aug 22 2005, 02:31 PM) Way to go Dave! You betcha! (That was the phrase I was looking for last night! C4 Is that a "Fargo" reference? Now that you mention it, they did say that in the movie didn't they? Actually, in my searching for coins for my collection, I came across a thread where they were discussing making a Minnesota coin. Someone suggested putting the phrase "You betcha" on the coin, since they loved hearing a Minnesotan say that. When I found out Dave was from MN, I was trying to remember what the phrase was so he could say it for me! I never did remember, so I never got to hear it first hand. Marge Gunderson: Say Lou, didya hear the one about the guy who couldn't afford personalized plate so he went and changed his name to J3L2404? Lou: Yah, that's a good one. Quote Link to comment
+GRNZOOM Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... SUH-WEET!! BIG Congrats!! J&J .....and take some more CONGRATS.... Way to go! TeamGrnZoom Nick & Sharon Quote Link to comment
+nscaler Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) Got new alaska coin. TANJ! (There ain't no justice) Wish I had it during the Event! The picture doesn't do it justice. Edited August 23, 2005 by nscaler Quote Link to comment
+TrailGators Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Got new alaska coin. TANJ! (There ain't no justice) Wish I had it during the Event!The picture doesn't do it justice. That's a really nice coin! Quote Link to comment
+HelBob Duo Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Someone at the food fest had an Alaskan coin & it was really nice! Both sides. Congrats, DJ. It must be that rocket you ride that lets you zip around & get so many. Quote Link to comment
+Team Reid Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Just wondering if anyone would be interested in caching around/attending the Big Bear event on October 1st? Just might happen to have that day off of work! The event starts at 4:00p.m., so the shuttle could leave around 6:00a.m. Not definite, but just sending out feelers. Robyn Quote Link to comment
Parsa Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 I might be interested in the Big Bear thing, but I would definitely want to carpool because of gas prices. I love driving my Xterra, but the cost of driving that far alone is crazy. Parsa Quote Link to comment
+TrailGators Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 I might be interested in the Big Bear thing, but I would definitely want to carpool because of gas prices. I love driving my Xterra, but the cost of driving that far alone is crazy. Parsa It's still a lot less than a round of golf! Hi Robyn, I'd go but October is already pretty booked for me. Quote Link to comment
+blonds run amuck Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Just wondering if anyone would be interested in caching around/attending the Big Bear event on October 1st? Just might happen to have that day off of work! The event starts at 4:00p.m., so the shuttle could leave around 6:00a.m. Not definite, but just sending out feelers. Robyn B.R.A. is planning on attending the Big Bear event...we have a cache or two up there. Quote Link to comment
+Chuy! Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 How 'bout the Midnight Madness bicycle ride next Sat night?? 20 easy miles starting at midnight....seems like last year I did see some cachers there....I think they took 1st prize for the best costume......Any takers? I did the Midnight ride last year but I may miss it this year due to a beach campout [in Carlsbad] with the neighbors. Actually, my family will stay in hotel, my neighbors at the beach. I will go caching in the surrounding area with GD Ginger if anyone is interested. My 9yr old is interested in riding it; we'll see. I will be riding in the Rosarito to Ensenada bike ride on September 24th. Lostguy51 said he will join me again. Yes, he is in his 50's and can ride circles around me! Then the week after, I may ride in the Tour de Poway with my 9yr old on an old tandem. Quote Link to comment
+Team PodCacher Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) Question: Are any of you locals planning on going to this event? http://www.socalgeocachers.com/modules.php?name=geofest Edited August 23, 2005 by iTrax and FoxTail Quote Link to comment
+Chuy! Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Congrat to D-Jollymon on his KILO! Here's the log entry... Congrats Dave! So, when you going to make an honest cacher of your girl? You know, the one the finds the FTFs for you . Quote Link to comment
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