+Rmarlo Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 My TB was released on "Morchel's TB Hotel" (https://coord.info/GC72MA4) on June 04, 2021. Before the 12th of the same month someone took my TB and didn't log it. I've written messages and mails to the users who I think have the TB but they don't answer me. What should I do? I would like the TB to continue its mission. I think one of these users has it: 2ndnextplease 05/06/2021 NextPlease89 05/06/2021 Hanninoah 06/06/2021 Does anyone know them? Thanks for your help. 2 Quote Link to comment
+Max and 99 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Rmarlo said: My TB was released on "Morchel's TB Hotel" (https://coord.info/GC72MA4) on June 04, 2021. Before the 12th of the same month someone took my TB and didn't log it. I've written messages and mails to the users who I think have the TB but they don't answer me. What should I do? I would like the TB to continue its mission. I think one of these users has it: (Snip) Does anyone know them? Thanks for your help. Don't post those names. Everyone wants their TB to continue. I've had several taken before they even got one mile! What exactly did you say to the people who you suspected stole your TB? There's nothing else you can do. Once it leaves your hands you have no control over its movements. 1 Quote Link to comment
+Rmarlo Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Max and 99 said: Don't post those names. Everyone wants their TB to continue. I've had several taken before they even got one mile! What exactly did you say to the people who you suspected stole your TB? There's nothing else you can do. Once it leaves your hands you have no control over its movements I don't think they stole anything, I think they may have forgotten to log the tb. I'm just posting their names in case anyone knows them and can tell them something. If not, bad luck. I hope to have better luck next time. Quote Link to comment
+Max and 99 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 48 minutes ago, Rmarlo said: I don't think they stole anything, I think they may have forgotten to log the tb. My apologies. The TB has been missing for 5 months now, unfortunately. But if those geocachers do not respond to your message there's really nothing else you can do. It's very frustrating when they go missing so early in their life! 1 Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 17 hours ago, Rmarlo said: My TB was released on "Morchel's TB Hotel" (https://coord.info/GC72MA4) on June 04, 2021. Before the 12th of the same month someone took my TB and didn't log it. I've written messages and mails to the users who I think have the TB but they don't answer me. What should I do? I would like the TB to continue its mission. I think one of these users has it: Guess you were there before, and just dropping your trackable off to that "hotel". Didn't see your name logged in anywhere... Curious how you know it's no longer there. You don't explain. Thanks. When we'd drop a trackable in a cache already found, we'd leave a note on the cache page, so there's a chain of events. We've lost all our trackables sent out, yet only mailed one person that emailed, saying it was going to be in another country in two months. - It never went anywhere, and JIC something happened, sent a note... It turned out he was a hoarder who quit the hobby... For some time, we'd get mails from TOs often, and finally just stopped responding after having one accuse us of stealing one. Truth is, you have no idea where that trackable is... 1 Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Kinda surprised a trackable "hotel" with so many FPs that has this Additional Logging Requirement, "If you want to take one of our guests on their way, please replace them with another one. That way the Hotels stays full and we can stay in business!" hasn't been noticed by a Reviewer yet. 1 Quote Link to comment
+Rmarlo Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, cerberus1 said: Guess you were there before, and just dropping your trackable off to that "hotel". Didn't see your name logged in anywhere... Curious how you know it's no longer there. You don't explain. Thanks. Another user dropped it on my name. The TB has to travel from Germany to Spain. I know it is no longer there because some users replied to my messages and told me that they didn't see it there. Quote Link to comment
+Rmarlo Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, cerberus1 said: Kinda surprised a trackable "hotel" with so many FPs that has this Additional Logging Requirement, "If you want to take one of our guests on their way, please replace them with another one. That way the Hotels stays full and we can stay in business!" hasn't been noticed by a Reviewer yet. I didn't know it was not "legal". Quote Link to comment
+TriciaG Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 The TB could have been taken by someone who didn't log the cache, so you don' t know if it was one of those 3 or 4 players or someone else. That's one of the risks of sending out TBs - they often go missing, and it's hard to know who has it. 2 Quote Link to comment
+MtnGoat50 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Rmarlo said: I didn't know it was not "legal". For some background check out these threads: Most Stringent TB Prison Rules I've seen yet TB PRISON 1 Quote Link to comment
+Mausebiber Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 15 hours ago, cerberus1 said: Kinda surprised a trackable "hotel" with so many FPs that has this Additional Logging Requirement, "If you want to take one of our guests on their way, please replace them with another one. That way the Hotels stays full and we can stay in business!" hasn't been noticed by a Reviewer yet. I cannot see any additional logging requirements. You can log this cache if you take non or all TBs, trackable are not part of, and are not controlled by Groundspeak. Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 6 hours ago, Mausebiber said: I cannot see any additional logging requirements. You can log this cache if you take non or all TBs, trackable are not part of, and are not controlled by Groundspeak. The "take one, leave one" messaging hasn't been allowed for some time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
+Mausebiber Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) I think, this discussion started 2006 already when a CO wrote: Quote IF YOU TAKE A TB AND DON’T LEAVE ONE IN ITS STEAD, WE WILL DELETE YOUR LOG!" This of course was never authorized and Keystone wrote: Quote As a practical matter, the difference today versus the "rules" when this thread was started many years ago was the prohibition of "Additional Logging Requirements." With the threat of deleting your log on the TB Prison cache being removed, all the controlling cache owner can do is bluster and sputter. If that blustering rises to the level of a website TOU violation, then further action may be warranted. If your valid "found it" log is deleted, write to Groundspeak and they will restore it. Volunteer cache reviewers now can point to the "ALR" prohibition when new caches are submitted and they contain restrictions about trackable items in the cache. What I see is, that the CO above just asked to trade one for one, no requirement, just a request. Edited November 28, 2021 by Mausebiber 1 Quote Link to comment
+kunarion Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) On 11/27/2021 at 3:20 AM, Rmarlo said: I don't think they stole anything, I think they may have forgotten to log the tb. Your TB may be sitting in some cache just fine, and it's awaiting someone to properly log it. I've seen unlogged TBs in caches many times. Cachers, new or veteran, seem to have a lot of trouble figuring out how TBs work. Evidently, the process confuses people. If they don't log the retrieval, and then they place it into a cache and don't log that (which they can't, because it was not in their Inventory), the next cacher who takes it has some research and extra paperwork and to do. And if the first taker logged it into his inventory, it's even more confusing (are they planning to make a log? Did they forget?). AND many cachers seem to not react to communication. "Messages" and "Email" are also confusing, I guess. Sure, remember that if they reply to your Geocaching.com "email", it may be delivered to "No-Reply", or "email" may not be functional at that moment. Some TBs are kind of scrambled, and if you take the TB, you've inherited a mess. Usually it's about "the TB Code not working no matter what I try". I tend to suggest to cachers who ask, that if they cannot figure out what to do, that they place the TB into a cache and type some text in any log that they can do. This means that the best case scenario, is a wayward TB will be next found in a cache by somebody. If we're lucky, it's someone who has the time and gumption to unscramble TB logs. I would also suggest that if one was ever "not able to log a TB" or "can't find a cache big enough for a TB" or got very confused by this process, don't remove a TB from a cache. Instead make a decent Discovery log on both the cache and the TB page. And never publish the Tracking Code. Edited November 28, 2021 by kunarion 1 Quote Link to comment
+kunarion Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 11/27/2021 at 11:38 AM, cerberus1 said: Kinda surprised a trackable "hotel" with so many FPs that has this Additional Logging Requirement, "If you want to take one of our guests on their way, please replace them with another one. That way the Hotels stays full and we can stay in business!" hasn't been noticed by a Reviewer yet. I don't place any TB into a TB hotel. I also tend to not take any, because those are hot potatoes -- logs are scrambled, coveted coins were switched to "laminated picture of a coin" at some point, attachments are missing, and the TB Owner has been fuming over the TB mismanagement. Anger now directed at the next Taker. If I can figure out which TB is which, I'll just do a Discover instead, thank you very much. TB Hotels are where TBs go to die. And "Events"? ...don't get me started. 1 Quote Link to comment
+colleda Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 On 11/29/2021 at 5:34 AM, kunarion said: I don't place any TB into a TB hotel. I also tend to not take any, because those are hot potatoes -- logs are scrambled, coveted coins were switched to "laminated picture of a coin" at some point, attachments are missing, and the TB Owner has been fuming over the TB mismanagement. Anger now directed at the next Taker. If I can figure out which TB is which, I'll just do a Discover instead, thank you very much. TB Hotels are where TBs go to die. And "Events"? ...don't get me started. Heartbreak Hotels? Cue The King. 1 Quote Link to comment
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