Guest techtreker Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 I'm in agreement with you Kimbo. I must say however, I have a cache near a creek that I will have to keep my eyes on. When the rainy season starts creeks can overflow their banks quickly. I would rather pick it up and move it or replace it in the spring than let it become cache litter. It would probably have been better had I considered that before placing it there. Oh well, I learn something new everyday. Quote
Guest jeo Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 I agree with you too Kimbo. I do enjoy reading the logs from people that come from out of town and the newbies (and of course the regulars). I do think there may be a few lost to bad weather. Either the contents or the whole thing. This is when we need to keep a closer eye on all the caches. I plan to start keeping inexpensive waterproof containers with me to help any endangered caches. Quote
Guest Rent Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 quote:I plan to start keeping inexpensive waterproof containers with me to help any endangered caches.[/b] I've only been out twice so far, but already I've taken to carrying extra ziplock bags and an extra notebook, just in case I need to help refurbish a cache. One cache (Troll Fields) was scattered across the hillside. We put it back together but the log was gone. Luckily I had an extra notebook with me, so we made a new logbook. Another (American Kids Cache) was soaked to the gills. We removed lots of mildewed paper (luckily the log was okay), but it would have been nice to have had some plastic bags to help keep the rest of the stuff dry. - Rent Quote
Guest jeo Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 Good job Rent. I forgot about extra log books, pencils and ziplocks. I have to get a bigger backpack. Quote
Guest jeo Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 Good job Rent. I forgot about extra log books, pencils and ziplocks. I have to get a bigger backpack. Quote
Guest kimbeattie Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 As I look for cache hiding places I try to be aware of how close a creek, stream (or lake!) might be. I don't want to place a cache in a location that will require rescuing or seasonal archiving. Techtreker: Having said that, I too have at least one cache very near a creek and I'm trying to decide if I should move it or wait and see what happens when the rains come. So sure, moving a cache for seasonal reasons makes sense. My original post was in response to a comment (that I probably misinterpreted) that indicated the cache placer was considering removing a cache simply because it had not been visited in a certain number of days. I only brought the subject up because this is not the first time (or the first person) I have heard this comment. My point was simply that caches should not be removed/archived due to inactivity. [This message has been edited by kimbeattie (edited 11 October 2001).] Quote
Guest MikieP Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 caching community is some thoughts on cache maintenance. I'm sure many of you share my experience of attempting to find a cache that is obviously gone, or has been looted, or has a string of "didn't find it" logs, all with no action of any kind by the hider. In other words, what I call a "toss and run" cache placement - toss it out, run to the next one, and forget about it. What obligation do we have to insure our caches' welfare? How often do we visit it? Is it OK to use e-mail to recent finders to do a health check? And how long is too long to let a cache sit between logs? Share your thoughts, please. Quote
Guest kimbeattie Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 My comment on removing caches led to question (recieved by email) on a different, but related topic: Cache maintenence - how often should the hider visit a cache to check up on it? Is following up via e-mail an acceptable maintenance method? Okay, every cache placer probably has their own answer to this one. I tend to let the comments in the log at Geocaching.com guide my decision. If the comments indicate the log book is getting full, or the condition (or contents) of the cache are in bad shape, I'll make a point of visiting the cache. I haven't yet made regular visits to any of my caches. Some caches are located nearby and would be easy to visit regularly. Other caches (Daisy Hill Mine and Near Leoni for example) would be difficult to visit regularly and I will probably not make the effort to re-visit those caches unless a log entry indicates there is a problem or I happen to be in the area. Take Romans for example. Its location was one that was not conducive to frequent check-ups. But when the log entries indicated the cache was missing, I made a point of going out to check on the cache. Another way I have checked on caches is to e-mail a finder and ask them about the condition of the cache. If anything they say raises a red flag in my mind, I'll make a visit to the cache. So far I haven't placed any caches far, far away (like in another state). For caches that are more than a hour or two (by car) away, some other solution must be found. Most likely a local volunteer will be needed to maintain the cache. There is some discussion elsewhere in these forums about "adopting" abandoned caches. In at least one case, Jeremy has allowed a Geocacher to adopt an apparently abandoned cache. I applaud the efforts of Geocachers who take it upon themselves to carry extra logbooks and other cache materials to effect geocache "repairs" should it be necessary when they go cache hunting. This is an idea I should have thought of myself. I think someone else mentioned the idea before this, but carrying around a Geocache First Aid kit is not a bad idea. Which leads us to the question of what to do when a cache owner does not maintain his own caches and ignores requests to fix, replace or archive the cache? Quote
Guest kimbeattie Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 Is there any interest in a Greater Sacramento area Geocacher Fall/Winter get together? Maybe somewhere in the South Sacramento area this time? This is something I would be interested in. I didn't get to talk to enough attendees of our last picnic. We have so much to talk about. Especially if we can get Jose to show up . . . Just running this idea up the flag pole to see if anyone salutes it. Quote
Guest Ron Streeter Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 Everything that has been said about pulling caches, maintaining caches makes sense. Kim's last question is bound to generate some conversation: Kim said: "Which leads us to the question of what to do when a cache owner does not maintain his own caches and ignores requests to fix, replace or archive the cache?" My response: This game is based on a lot of trust. We trust people to put them back the way they found them. We trust people to take one item, leave one item. We trust people not to take the cache away ! We also trust them to maintain (in whatever manner) their caches. For the most part this happens, but there is bound to be some instance of a cache getting a lot of frowns and no response from the hider. This could happen because the person is just plain not participating anymore, or maybe some other reasons. Maybe we don't do anything when this happens. A series of frowns and no response from the cache hider would make ME shy away from going after it. It (the page and the cache) could just sit there. I don't think we have a right to pull the physical cache(or its remnants). All we can do is email the hider and hope for the best. I doubt Jeremy would archive a cache on the word of people who didn't find it, though he might if it sat idle for "x" months, but what would be the point. Anyone seeing all the frowns and no recent activity would (I think) just stay away. Too bad the page is cluttering up the landscape, but I don't know what else could be done. An irresponsible citizen is an irresponsible citizen. my two cents....Ron All times are PT (US) Quote
Guest jeo Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 We would love (C.McNabb5 and I) to go to a get together. I'm not sure how much help we would in setting one up in the south area but let us know. Quote
Guest jeo Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 I just noticed a get together near Santa Cruz Nov.4. Is that to far away? Maybe we could join them.? http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=8476 Quote
Guest The 19th Posted October 12, 2001 Posted October 12, 2001 d some represenation there. If we do have one locally, can we not have it on that same weekend? As far as maintaining your own caches, it doesn't have to be too often... every other month or so sounds good for the average cache. Like I mentioned before, everyone should check up on their caches after the rains start, just to see how they survive out there. Regarding retiring caches... I don't have a response to this right now. It's not late night! ------------------ Lawrence Rillera Elk Grove, CA Quote
Guest The 19th Posted October 12, 2001 Posted October 12, 2001 d some represenation there. If we do have one locally, can we not have it on that same weekend? As far as maintaining your own caches, it doesn't have to be too often... every other month or so sounds good for the average cache. Like I mentioned before, everyone should check up on their caches after the rains start, just to see how they survive out there. Regarding retiring caches... I don't have a response to this right now. It's not late night! ------------------ Lawrence Rillera Elk Grove, CA Quote
Guest McIrish Posted October 12, 2001 Posted October 12, 2001 I would attend another geocaching get together....so I guess I am saluting too. As far as retiring caches....Hey, its your cache. If you have a reason you want to retire it...ok. I am sure that people who are diligent about taking care of their caches and the land around them will certainly come up with another good idea to replant at a later date. So, I guess that means I have no opinion about why someone would retire a cache. Quote
Guest Rent Posted October 12, 2001 Posted October 12, 2001 First a salute to the get-together. If I'm free for the day and time it's happening, I'll be there and I'll try to get my other geocaching friends (Geeba, MAP) to attend as well. I don't think caches should be retired unless they go missing. If a cache is abandoned or isn't being maintained, I fully support the idea of adoption, and would in fact adopt a cache or two if they are in my area of operations. My reasoning? Here's a scenario: A geocacher in, let's say France, prints a cache page prior to her trip to California, fully expecting it to be there for the next two or three weeks. If somebody pulls it in the meantime, it's a bummer (admittedly a minor one, but still a bummer) for her vacation. As for near-water caches and other hazards, I'm planning to let my cache near the American River have a go at it. I use 2 gallon plastic paint buckets for my caches. They should float just fine (as long as the last person there sealed it), so I'm going to go out there and anchor it with a line. Once the flood recedes, the cache should still be there . - Rent Quote
Guest Snow Rider Posted October 12, 2001 Posted October 12, 2001 I'll salute the get-together! I missed the first one and am abnoxious to meet everyone. About the retire-a-cache thing. I too tried placing my few caches so that they could weather the winter. I don't know how many will hunt in the cold months, but who knows. Cache hunters brave 100+ degree heat, snakes, bugs, etc. so why not cold, wet weather. I'm for leaving caches in place as long as possible. Who knows, maybe we will need to establish the record for the longest time between finds for a cache! Maybe the owner could visit the cache if it has been what he/she thinks is a long time based on the characteristics of the cache. They could post or not, but at least that would help the cache hunter population from hunting caches that are gone (which basically sucks). I had my first MIA cache reported to me today by someone who found the container and went to the website. It was Submarine Cache at Lake Natoma. I plan to follow the actions of one of my cache mentors and not abandon the site. I think I will make the coords the first location of a multi on the water cache. I posted the page with a warning that the cache is "out of order" until further notice. Quote
Guest MikieP Posted October 12, 2001 Posted October 12, 2001 Snow Rider ... I've met you, and you didn't seem THAT obnoxious to me .... Mrs. P and I would gladly attend another gathering of the group. Quote
Guest jeo Posted October 12, 2001 Posted October 12, 2001 MikeP I forgot to mention I liked your rhyme on "Birds Eye view" (another shameless plug) LOL http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=8680 http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=8655 Quote
Guest Iron Chef Posted October 13, 2001 Posted October 13, 2001 I'll salute a Fall/Winter get-together in the Sacremento area and I'll be there, if it happens before Dec 10th at least. :~) Just not on the same weekend as the one in Santa Cruz (for obvious reasons *grins*). ------------------ -Iron Chef _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ agefive.com/geocache/ ~ Fe-26 Lets Drive Fast and Eat Cheese! [This message has been edited by Iron Chef (edited 13 October 2001).] Quote
Guest glenn95630 Posted October 13, 2001 Posted October 13, 2001 Hey Kimbo, I noticed you visited the Lover's Leap cache along I80. As a 'bookend cache' you could try the Lover's Leap cache along Hwy 50 (the cache is called 'NR4A'). I haven't visited either yet, but it would be an interesting comparison. Glenn95630 Quote
Guest apollo56 Posted October 14, 2001 Posted October 14, 2001 Hi all,I`ve been put on the injured reserve list because I got a rash and swelling on 1 foot, dusty wouldn`t let me come out and play.Poker 5 will be planted soon. Dusty and I are going to the coast for a few days and we will be planting a series of caches there. Hope you like the mendocino coast.See you all soon. APOLLO Quote
Guest kimbeattie Posted October 14, 2001 Posted October 14, 2001 Get better soon Apollo! We need you out there leading the way! Quote
Guest kimbeattie Posted October 14, 2001 Posted October 14, 2001 Okay, here's another new cache: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=8793 Have fun! Quote
Guest Ron Streeter Posted October 14, 2001 Posted October 14, 2001 That'll keep the Sac cachers busy for a while ! Going back to a cache you've already been to shows real dedication on the cache hunter's part ! [This message has been edited by Ron Streeter (edited 14 October 2001).] Quote
Guest glenn95630 Posted October 14, 2001 Posted October 14, 2001 Another Travel Bug has been 'spotted' in the Sacramento area. Last seen in Character Cache by Rocklin Doc. It's not the weakest link but there is some thing going on... Glenn95630 Quote
Guest The 19th Posted October 14, 2001 Posted October 14, 2001 Woohoo! Now this one looks like fun. Not only does revisiting caches show persistence, but 6 partial coordinates that have to be put into order! I'm no statistician, but that's a lot of coordinates! ------------------ Lawrence Rillera Elk Grove, CA Quote
Guest GeoRockers Posted October 15, 2001 Posted October 15, 2001 quote:Originally posted by apollo56: I`ve been put on the injured reserve list Get well soon! quote:Originally posted by kimbeattie: I guess what I'm trying to say is that unless you are concerned about abuse of the area around the Geocache, leave the cache out there, even if it hasn't been visited in six months! We agree. quote:Originally posted by kimbeattie: I applaud the efforts of Geocachers who take it upon themselves to carry extra logbooks and other cache materials to effect geocache "repairs" should it be necessary when they go cache hunting. We feel fortunate to be caching in the Sacramento area. The spirit of cooperation runs high in our caching community.[ ] quote:Originally posted by kimbeattie: Just running this idea up the flag pole to see if anyone salutes it. We salute! quote:Originally posted by The 19th: I was actually planning on attending this one because I wanted to meet some of the 'cachers from the Bay Area. We'll met you there! quote:Originally posted by Snow Rider: Cache hunters brave 100+ degree heat, snakes, bugs, etc. so why not cold, wet weather. Our mountain cache is in a freezer container, planted in a location that should survive a deep snow pack - this was in response to another thread about geocaching in the snow, although, the thought of digging through a few feet of snow, with 50 foot accuracy, is too challenging for us. [ ] These hardy cachers did attempt it at the "Naked Truth" cache in March. Their detailed entry, with photos in snow and out of snow, can be read at http://www.itup.tv/naked.html . Unfortunately, we did not plan well enough for the "Scuba Scooby-Doo" cache, which is now missing. [ ] We planted two easy caches this weekend: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=8848 http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=8851 Quote
Guest GeoRockers Posted October 15, 2001 Posted October 15, 2001 quote:Originally posted by apollo56: I`ve been put on the injured reserve list Get well soon! quote:Originally posted by kimbeattie: I guess what I'm trying to say is that unless you are concerned about abuse of the area around the Geocache, leave the cache out there, even if it hasn't been visited in six months! We agree. quote:Originally posted by kimbeattie: I applaud the efforts of Geocachers who take it upon themselves to carry extra logbooks and other cache materials to effect geocache "repairs" should it be necessary when they go cache hunting. We feel fortunate to be caching in the Sacramento area. The spirit of cooperation runs high in our caching community.[ ] quote:Originally posted by kimbeattie: Just running this idea up the flag pole to see if anyone salutes it. We salute! quote:Originally posted by The 19th: I was actually planning on attending this one because I wanted to meet some of the 'cachers from the Bay Area. We'll met you there! quote:Originally posted by Snow Rider: Cache hunters brave 100+ degree heat, snakes, bugs, etc. so why not cold, wet weather. Our mountain cache is in a freezer container, planted in a location that should survive a deep snow pack - this was in response to another thread about geocaching in the snow, although, the thought of digging through a few feet of snow, with 50 foot accuracy, is too challenging for us. [ ] These hardy cachers did attempt it at the "Naked Truth" cache in March. Their detailed entry, with photos in snow and out of snow, can be read at http://www.itup.tv/naked.html . Unfortunately, we did not plan well enough for the "Scuba Scooby-Doo" cache, which is now missing. [ ] We planted two easy caches this weekend: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=8848 http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=8851 Quote
Guest The 19th Posted October 15, 2001 Posted October 15, 2001 Woohoo! I can do what kimbo does and go for them on my lunch break. They're both quite close to work Wait a minute... I already had lunch... ------------------ Lawrence Rillera Elk Grove, CA Quote
Guest The 19th Posted October 15, 2001 Posted October 15, 2001 Woohoo! I can do what kimbo does and go for them on my lunch break. They're both quite close to work Wait a minute... I already had lunch... ------------------ Lawrence Rillera Elk Grove, CA Quote
Guest Rent Posted October 15, 2001 Posted October 15, 2001 quote:Originally posted by apollo56:Dusty and I are going to the coast for a few days and we will be planting a series of caches there. Hope you like the mendocino coast.See you all soon. APOLLO Just got back from there! Left 2 caches behind... Check out Mendo Madness 1 and Mendo Madness 2. - Rent Quote
Guest GeoCrickets Posted October 16, 2001 Posted October 16, 2001 quote:Originally posted by The 19th:Woohoo! Now this one looks like fun. Not only does revisiting caches show persistence, but 6 partial coordinates that have to be put into order! I'm no statistician, but that's a lot of coordinates! Hay Lawrence, this is Richard. If you go for this one on a Sunday let me know. This one sounds like fun also. I just jot back from the I-80 Summit cache and one in Reno that was a very nice road trip... GeoCrickets Quote
Guest GeoCrickets Posted October 16, 2001 Posted October 16, 2001 in the South Sacramento area this time? This is something I would be interested in. I didn't get to talk to enough attendees of our last picnic. We have so much to talk about. Especially if we can get Jose to show up . . . Just running this idea up the flag pole to see if anyone salutes it. GeoCrickets (Dawn and Myself) would love to meet other GeoCachers in the area. We missed the last one because we did not know of Geocacheing at the time. However we love Geocaching now. We are planning to go the the Santa Cruz one in Nov. GoeCrickets Quote
Guest Snow Rider Posted October 16, 2001 Posted October 16, 2001 quote:Originally posted by glenn95630:Hey Kimbo, I noticed you visited the Lover's Leap cache along I80. As a 'bookend cache' you could try the Lover's Leap cache along Hwy 50 (the cache is called 'NR4A'). I haven't visited either yet, but it would be an interesting comparison. Glenn95630 I visited the area on 10/14/01. NR4A was not to be found. There are 2 other caches in the imediate area that are intact. One is Pete and Tracy's Dangle which is very near where NR4A was supposed to be and the other is Lew's Folly. This should give you a clue as to the easiest approach. Here is a new one to bolster your numbers on the way up the hill: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=8935 P.S. Get well Apollo [This message has been edited by Snow Rider (edited 16 October 2001).] [This message has been edited by Snow Rider (edited 16 October 2001).] Quote
Guest Ron Streeter Posted October 17, 2001 Posted October 17, 2001 Hi Sacramento... Just a note to let you know I have placed 7 or so caches in the last couple of weeks so that a trip to the Stockton/Lodi/Modesto/Angels Camp area is now a little more cache full. ********** Also, anyone interested in the search for caches "before" they are approved may want to read this thread which has several comments posted on Oct. 16-17 regarding "incrementing by one". This was one of the topics of "discussion" in the SAC thread #2. http://forums.Groundspeak.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000042.html Ron Quote
Guest glenn95630 Posted October 18, 2001 Posted October 18, 2001 That Chain Cache of Kimbo's is pointing me toward N32 W117 so I'm going to be traveling down to San Diego on Oct 24. So, if anybody has a hitchhiker or traveler that wants to go to the beach, let me know and we'll coordinate a drop off & retrieval cache. FYI - Some travelers may have rules about no planes, or no prearranged drop offs. This cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=6893 looks interesting, but I don't think I'll be able to search for it given other constraints. Glenn95630 Quote
Guest Iron Chef Posted October 18, 2001 Posted October 18, 2001 quote:Originally posted by glenn95630:This cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=6893 looks interesting, but I don't think I'll be able to search for it given other constraints. Glenn95630 It's really not as bad as it sounds ;~) I promise. If "The Warsaw" had things the way that he wanted it to be, then the cache would be very difficult, but as it is right now it is a quickie. ------------------ -Iron Chef _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ agefive.com/geocache/ ~ Fe-26 Lets Drive Fast and Eat Cheese! [This message has been edited by Iron Chef (edited 18 October 2001).] Quote
Guest McIrish Posted October 19, 2001 Posted October 19, 2001 Fry's is at it again. Little Yellow Etrex on sale for $89.95. Just thought you might want to know. Price is good from the 19th of Oct. to the 23rd.... I love mine. Quote
Guest glenn95630 Posted October 19, 2001 Posted October 19, 2001 Why do I get the feeling that MikieP will be hiding another cache soon? http://forums.Groundspeak.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/000003.html Quote
Guest techtreker Posted October 19, 2001 Posted October 19, 2001 Hey McIrish, are you sure that little yellow Etrex is really yours? Quote
Guest techtreker Posted October 19, 2001 Posted October 19, 2001 Hey McIrish, are you sure that little yellow Etrex is really yours? Quote
Guest MikieP Posted October 19, 2001 Posted October 19, 2001 "Why do I get the feeling that MikieP will be hiding another cache soon?" He did - two in fact, but you gotta be dedicated to search them out. Look for Recycle 1 and NoWhere, although neither has a Travel Bug. That one is still to come. Now, if I was slick like the rest of you I could have quoted Glenn and given you the Web address of those two caches, but I don't know how to do that. Anyone want to enlighten me? Quote
Guest MikieP Posted October 19, 2001 Posted October 19, 2001 BTW, slick in the above context is meant to be a good thing! Quote
Guest glenn95630 Posted October 19, 2001 Posted October 19, 2001 re is a better way but I do it this way. 1. Click in address box to highlight web site address you want to copy. 2. Use Ctrl + C to copy. 3. Place cursor where you want to paste the web address. 4. Use Ctrl + V to paste. Quote
Guest McIrish Posted October 20, 2001 Posted October 20, 2001 quote:Originally posted by techtreker:Hey McIrish, are you sure that little yellow Etrex is really yours? Lemme go check the batteries in my little yellow....... Hey! Quote
Guest McIrish Posted October 20, 2001 Posted October 20, 2001 quote:Originally posted by techtreker:Hey McIrish, are you sure that little yellow Etrex is really yours? Lemme go check the batteries in my little yellow....... Hey! Quote
Guest Snow Rider Posted October 20, 2001 Posted October 20, 2001 Here is a fresh one for Sunday morning!http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=9110 Let me know what you think! [This message has been edited by Snow Rider (edited 20 October 2001).] Quote
Guest sjdavis Posted October 20, 2001 Posted October 20, 2001 Anyone looking for a travel bug. There is one at the Shasta Lake/I-5 cache(96003). And it is waiting to travel. Quote
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