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What logs make you suspicious they might not have signed the log

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This was one log I saw today, "Tftc. Beautiful spot"

This is a terrain five cache. It's on an island in the middle of a lake. If I had found such a cache, I would have given an account of the journey. Getting the boat to the water, inflating it, the paddle to the island, the walk to GZ, etc. Or as a group of us discovered during the drought, the lake (which is a dam) water low and the rare event of being able to walk to the island  :antenna:. That was a story too. But now, when the dam is full again, instead this person writes, "Tftc. Beautiful spot", which they could have written standing on the shore.

Those are the islands in the photograph; only the dam is full now and the water is higher at present. (Of interest, we were surprised to find a lava outcrop on one of the small islands.)

 

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Some people just function solely in 'terse mode'.  I've had plenty of that sort of log on caches where one might expect something broader.  Wouldn't think anything of it until I had a chance to visit to do the comparison.

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8 minutes ago, ecanderson said:

Some people just function solely in 'terse mode'.  I've had plenty of that sort of log on caches where one might expect something broader.  Wouldn't think anything of it until I had a chance to visit to do the comparison.

That can sometimes be true, but mainly it's for easy to get to caches, not hard to get to caches like this one. I have also seen short logs on my easy to get to caches, where they didn't sign the log. Getting more and more of those lately. Such as "Found it 🙂", which I saw recently,  with no signature on one of my caches.

The island example above, I read the logs, and people, as expected,  have been writing longer logs to describe getting there. The suspicious example log I showed is an exception, but that is not my cache, and what happens is up to the CO.

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This log is on The Goat House Cave (GC5KCMB) on Lord Howe Island:

 

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The cache is a tough T4 climb from sea level to an impressive two-level cave 420 metres up Mt Lidgbird with postcard views of the island far below.

 

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They don't even have the excuse that they were logging on their phone as there's no phone coverage anywhere on the island. Some people just don't know any better, I suppose.

 

I got a fair few one word or less logs on some of my T2.5+ hides during the PM muggles with apps blitz following last year's lockdown, but they were all app-only cachers who'd never visited the website and probably didn't even know it existed. It's just the way the game is played these days.

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3 hours ago, Goldenwattle said:

This was one log I saw today, "Tftc. Beautiful spot"

This is a terrain five cache. It's on an island in the middle of a lake. If I had found such a cache, I would have given an account of the journey.

Getting the boat to the water, inflating it, the paddle to the island, the walk to GZ, etc.

Or as a group of us discovered during the drought, the lake (which is a dam) water low and the rare event of being able to walk to the island  :antenna:. That was a story too. But now, when the dam is full again, instead this person writes, "Tftc. Beautiful spot", which they could have written standing on the shore.

 

We see that often enough it doesn't mean anything anymore.    

I don't feel "Tftc.  Beautiful spot" is much different than any other "minimum the system will take" log.   :)

One we haven't seen in a while said "twas nice" on every cache found. 

 - It didn't matter if it was a roadside pill bottle, or an over night hike, ammo can, and a grand view.

I write similar to you (the other 2/3rds not so much), and used to be some thought I was too wordy... until word-length became a stat.  :D

 

But your question was "What logs make you suspicious they might not have signed the log".

 

Our huge rural mailbox up high off a tree branch gets "wow, that's too high for me" or similar sometimes, and "no boat this time" on an all-day paddle-to will get notice..

Mostly newbs, it's a real pain-in-the can to go climb it, or paddle for a few hours just to check those Found Its immediately. 

I saw one hiking once to one of the stages of the paddle-to multi while driving by.

They must have headed home in the dark (and long days in Summer), so we know it can be done...

I'm supposed to be "around 80%", so unless I have a relapse, I'll be checking those logs this Spring as part of  OM.     

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It depends on the cache, but for unusual caches, there are a few typical logs that make me suspicious.

 

I mean custom caches, gadget caches and well as many high T caches, and high D that are not solve-at-home-mysteries, caches that are intended to give a unique experience of some kind. Simple caches, a plain petling in some dull place or a lock-and-lock under a pile of branches, for those anything goes, but if an unusual cache gets:

  • TFTC
  • Easy find (imagine that on a 4-stage D4T4 multi with field puzzles or similar)
  • "We logged 200 caches today and this was one of them"
  • LOOONG copy-pastes without a single word about the cache
  • or anything else that just treats my special cache as dirt, as just-another-boring-cache

then I get suspicios. I call them "half an NM", if nothing else I should check the log, if it has been signed. I know that many beginners log TFTC on everything, they havn't realized what the log is for yet, but experienced cachers are not expected to log TFTC on a custom cache. (Some do, yes.)

 

And often it hasn't been logged. Sometimes it is just the same old "saw it but couldn't reach it". There could be a throwdown, or the cache may be broken. I have had one cache with a lock where the lock was forced, destroyed. Another was quite weird‚ a T4 at about 7 meters up in a tree where there is a fake cache at the ground with a clear message that this is not the cache. Someone climbed up, brought the log down and put it in the fake! (Straight up sabotage, just not as destrucive as the broken lock.) Of course I got suspicious logs after that.

 

So, my answer to the question is simply, if the log just doesn't match the cache, then I get suspicious.

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1 hour ago, Ragnemalm said:

I call them "half an NM"

A great way to put it. I have a cache where logs like that mean I need to go check if the container is where it should be. Not that concerned about fake finds.

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Thrdr are spectacular  spots.    Where i used to live, we used to say "Interesting spot for a cache" to nicely say this place is a dump and the cache should be archived..

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18 hours ago, Wacka said:

Thrdr are spectacular  spots.    Where i used to live, we used to say "Interesting spot for a cache" to nicely say this place is a dump and the cache should be archived..

 

Nice or in other ways spectacular places, like a dump, in both cases I hope visitors will react on it.

 

Some places are nice except for litter. CITO time!

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