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Earthcaches seem to still be allowed on public lands (national parks, state parks, etc) with admission fees.

 

What about an Earthcache that is outdoors, but requires admission to a site operated by a non-profit organization? Examples: botanical garden or the grounds of a museum. Would that be a violation of commercial guidelines?

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4 minutes ago, JL_HSTRE said:

Earthcaches seem to still be allowed on public lands (national parks, state parks, etc) with admission fees.

 

What about an Earthcache that is outdoors, but requires admission to a site operated by a non-profit organization? Examples: botanical garden or the grounds of a museum. Would that be a violation of commercial guidelines?

If it's really a non-profit organization like a botanical garden or a museum, then how is that commercial?

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15 hours ago, niraD said:

If it's really a non-profit organization like a botanical garden or a museum, then how is that commercial?

 

The Guidelines don't make a clear distinction between for profit, not profit, and not-free public.

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3 hours ago, JL_HSTRE said:

The Guidelines don't make a clear distinction between for profit, not profit, and not-free public.

Perhaps, but caches in parks and open spaces that charge entrance/parking fees have always been allowed, as long as it isn't being run as a for-profit business (e.g., commercial campgrounds, amusement parks).

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On 9/22/2020 at 4:08 PM, JL_HSTRE said:

Earthcaches seem to still be allowed on public lands (national parks, state parks, etc) with admission fees.

 

What about an Earthcache that is outdoors, but requires admission to a site operated by a non-profit organization? Examples: botanical garden or the grounds of a museum. Would that be a violation of commercial guidelines?

 

During the review process, we look at two things when a fee is involved. First, is it a commercial fee or not? Second, is it a reasonable fee?

 

For the first part, it can't be a for-profit entity - if it is, Groundspeak would have to allow it. But national/state/county/municipal park fees are allowed, and so are non-profit entities such as the Nature Conservancy, botanic gardens, and museums.

 

For the second part, reviewers have discretion as to what might be a "reasonable" fee in their area.

 

Since you're in Florida, unless you're planning or discussing a cache outside of your normal commute, I'm your local geoaware. I'm happy to discuss specifics if we're talking about an existing or potential earthcache in the SE USA. Or we can talk it here, up to you.

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Be aware that a non-profit is not a guarantee that it is not commercial. If you mention it too much how great they are, they sell T-shirts, or push the company too much you can roll into the commercial aspect. 

A large non-profit in my area runs a Garden, a museum that sells a ton of stuff, has a few stores, various art and gardening studios that you can take classes in.  Your write up could push it over the commercial edge.edge.  

 

Every case and write up is different, touch bases with your reviewer, write up a skeleton page, and submit it with a question. 

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2 minutes ago, BlueRajah said:

Be aware that a non-profit is not a guarantee that it is not commercial. If you mention it too much how great they are, they sell T-shirts, or push the company too much you can roll into the commercial aspect. 

Well, sure. Just because the admission/parking fee is okay doesn't mean there aren't other ways for the CO to violate the guidelines prohibiting agendas or commercial caches.

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