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On October 17, 2018, Canada legalized the recreational use of Cannabis. 

 

There are currently 11 US States that have retail stores for the legal sale of Cannabis. 

 

Countries that have legalized recreational cannabis are Canada, Georgia, South Africa, and Uruguay.

In addition, eleven states and the District of Columbia in the United States and the Australian Capital Territory in Australia.

 

New Zealand plans a referendum on legalization during next year’s election and Mexico also appears headed that way.

Luxembourg is poised to become the first European country to legalize recreational marijuana.

 

Please limit keep your comments to the merits of this proposal. 

 

Are there other countries that have retail stores for the legal sale of cannabis?

 

Or will this proposal go up in "smoke"?  :D

 

 

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On 4/13/2020 at 5:23 PM, T0SHEA said:

In addition, eleven states and the District of Columbia

 

It's the District of Columbia which worries me. There's sufficient wackiness there now. Mebbe a "shot of pot" may actually help, though. :D I'm willing to hope for anything which might bring some sense and sensibility to the place.

 

I have no use for pot and I know that you don't either, but, given that it has been a fixture in our civilization for decades/centuries and will remain such, pretty much on a par with booze in that respect, I don't feel that it should be treated any differently than booze.

 

You haven't yet actually made a proposal, but I expect I see your intention here.

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5 minutes ago, ScroogieII said:

You haven't yet actually made a proposal, but I expect I see your intention here.

 

Not yet. Waiting for input and an open discussion. 

I have written several proposals and re-written several more.  

Writing the proposal, for me, is the easy part once all the kinks are ironed out. 

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I would vote no on this proposal. Far too prevalent!

My city has more medical dispensaries per capita than the Colorado’s cannabis mecca, Denver, and we only allow it for medical use. They are on every street corner.

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12 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

we only allow it for medical use.

 

I should stress: legalized recreational use of cannabis  (not medical use only) and it must be a permanent location, either a stand alone or store front. NOT every street corner.

 

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So only locations/states/countries that allow legal recreational marijuana use could have waymarks? Big no then. Our stores are legal, permanent storefronts and on every corner.

 

My waymark that mentioned weed was declined because it didn't align with Groundspeak's family friendly policy. And now we're debating a category for weed. I love it. 

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2 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

Groundspeak's family friendly policy.

 

So, I suppose wayfrog needs to respond, before I proceed. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

every corner.

 Every corner? Where do you live? Not the town just state. 

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49 minutes ago, T0SHEA said:

 Every corner? Where do you live? Not the town just state. 

Oklahoma. I agree, way to prevalent. More dispensaries than Subways and McDonald's, combined!  And I don't believe that they will all last for more than a year. Everyone wants to get in on the action, just like vaping about 2 years ago.

 

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On this map, Oklahoma only legalized "medical" marijuana.

 

Still trying to split this hair. These, outlets for legalized "medical" marijuana only, is not the intent of this proposal. 

On the map the states in green legalized both recreational and medical marijuana.

 

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It's legal here in California. Surprisingly I have yet to see a cannabis store in my city or in any surrounding cities. I have seen them, but they are far an in between. When I visited Colorado in 2014, I found a cannabis shop next to an ice cream parlor in downtown Boulder. Got quite the laugh out of me.

 

I would think, as more states are likely to legalize it that stores would become more prevalent. My question is that they could possibly already fit these stores into the "Independent Pharmacy" category since they are technically selling drugs, legally. A stretch, I know, but as of now I think we can already include them on the site if there is a need to do so. Is there a need? I don't think so as I personally don't think there is. As of now, I would vote abstain on the topic. Make me want to visit them and categorize them, and I may change my vote. An interesting idea, nonetheless.

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Technically, in the United States, cannabis is still illegal federally - the Federal Government has just chosen not to enforce those laws.  That could come crashing down at any time if the Federales decide to crack down and no matter what the states decide - this would be a Federal matter.  I would have problems voting yes for a Federal illegal product, even if states have said it's okay. 

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1 hour ago, iconions said:

I would have problems voting yes for a Federal illegal product, even if states have said it's okay. 

 

This proposal is NOT exclusively American.

BTW: How did Prohibition work out in the US? Alcohol is now legal.

 

Countries that have legalized recreational cannabis are Canada, Georgia, South Africa, and Uruguay and Australian Capital Territory in Australia. There most likely will be other countries legalize recreational cannabis.

 

 

9 hours ago, Max and 99 said:

Groundspeak's family friendly policy.

 

 

These categories are not necessarily "family friendly".

Breweries
Brewpubs
Casinos
Comedy Clubs
Dance Clubs
Hard Rock Cafe
Hooters Restaurants
Independent Cigar Shops
Jazz Clubs
Karaoke Bars
Nude Beaches

Pubs and Inns
Wineries

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Sure stirred the "pot" on this proposal.  :D 

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11 hours ago, Max and 99 said:

 

My waymark that mentioned weed was declined because it didn't align with Groundspeak's family friendly policy.

 

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15 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

My waymark that mentioned weed was declined because it didn't align with Groundspeak's family friendly policy.

When was this and what category?

Just did a search "waymarks" using the word marijuana and cannabis, though did not actually count them there are close to a hundred. Even one dated back to 2006.

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35 minutes ago, T0SHEA said:

When was this and what category?

Just did a search "waymarks" using the word marijuana and cannabis, though did not actually count them there are close to a hundred. Even one dated back to 2006.

I am well aware.

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On 4/14/2020 at 4:01 AM, Max and 99 said:

... with Groundspeak's family friendly policy. ... 

 

On 4/14/2020 at 4:07 AM, T0SHEA said:

 

So, I suppose wayfrog needs to respond, before I proceed. 

 

We will discuss it. I'll let you know the result.

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On 4/14/2020 at 12:12 AM, T0SHEA said:

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On this map, Oklahoma only legalized "medical" marijuana.

 

Still trying to split this hair. These, outlets for legalized "medical" marijuana only, is not the intent of this proposal. 

On the map the states in green legalized both recreational and medical marijuana.

 

so, in the green colored states -- how does the reviewer know if they are recreational or medical dispensaries?? Some could be only for medical.

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6 hours ago, wayfrog said:

We will discuss it. I'll let you know the result.

 

We are cool with letting the community decide, it's what peer review was designed for.

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52 minutes ago, wayfrog said:

We are cool with letting the community decide, it's what peer review was designed for.

 

Thank you for your follow up. :)

Barb

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On 4/13/2020 at 7:23 PM, T0SHEA said:

Please limit keep your comments to the merits of this proposal. 

Or will this proposal go up in "smoke"?  :D

 

Mrs. QDV and I once made our physician's jaw drop when we gave him funny looks as a response to "When you tried pot for the first time."   Hasn't happened, isn't going to happen.  As you know, she's a coffee nut, and I've got nice fermented beverages made of barley and wheat to enjoy with no foul smoke (although I used to enjoy a good cigar, with its incredibly foul smoke).  With that said, 1) Please tell me that if you go ahead with this category, one of the officer titles will be "Alice Bowie", and 2) Aren't you concerned about the commercial element here?  Personally, I don't have any kind of serious objection, but if your idea goes to a vote, I expect a lot of "nay" votes from people who are in the habit of creating waymarks in already-existing commercial categories, or padding their numbers with "TFTW" types of visits.

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On 4/13/2020 at 5:23 PM, T0SHEA said:

Please limit keep your comments to the merits of this proposal. 

 

Thanks for the reminder,  QuarrellaDeVil

 

it got lost.

 

 

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QDV reminds us that this would be a commercial category.  I wasn't much interested in the proposal before his reminder.  Being one of those twisted waymarkers that actually enjoys commercial categories, I will support this one.

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2 hours ago, elyob said:

Being one of those twisted waymarkers that actually enjoys commercial categories, I will support this one.

 

:) Thanks for your support. 

 

Just curious, what did you think this proposal was about? :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, T0SHEA said:

 

:) Thanks for your support. 

 

Just curious, what did you think this proposal was about? :rolleyes:

 

I understood the category and I know that we should have waymarkable locations in Ontario.  It just hadn't occurred to me that this was a chance to support a commercial category until it was articulated by QDV.  It's been a very long time since a commercial category passed peer review.  Perhaps we should be downplaying that aspect.  If you could, would you place it in Business, Stores/Retail?

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9 minutes ago, elyob said:

It's been a very long time since a commercial category passed peer review

The last one that I am aware was in 2016.

 

10 minutes ago, elyob said:

If you could, would you place it in Business, Stores/Retail?

Yes, that is where it will have to go. 

 

11 minutes ago, elyob said:

Perhaps we should be downplaying that aspect.

 

Do you have any suggestions? 

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Legal Cannabis Retailers

 

1 hour ago, T0SHEA said:

 

Just curious, what did you think this proposal was about?

I thought it was going to be about retailers that sell legal cannabis. But it's not. It's about retailers that sell cannabis to be used for legal recreation use.

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I have not started a group yet.  

 

Though I am working on the actual category description. 

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Does anyone have a copy of the guidelines for peer review? Please post them here.

It will be a good reminder.

 

There is information at Waymarking FAQ but it does not show the actual peer review criteria. 

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On 4/15/2020 at 8:25 AM, wayfrog said:

 

We are cool with letting the community decide, it's what peer review was designed for.

 

I, too, Thank You, Wayfroggie.

 

At present I live less than a mile (< 2 km) north of the country which expended a zillion and a half dollars it its War Against Drugs, while incarcerating tens of thousands of its otherwise honest, taxpaying (until they were incarcerated) citizens.

 

As mentioned above, I have no use for pot and DEFINITELY no use for harder drugs. I don't believe that pot will ultimately be exposed to be nearly as harmless as many now believe, but, by the same token, we now know that booze isn't nearly as harmless as we've often been led to believe, either. Over the long term, one may turn out to be as deleterious to society as a whole as does the other, yet, in the face of that, an inestimably large portion of the population appears to have a need for one or the other, or both.

 

This I consider to be a salient comment on the psychological well-being of society as a whole. I perceive that a psychologically healthy population would have little use for artificial stimulants, instead finding its endeavours, activities and relationships sufficiently stimulating and satisfying, with little to no need for alternative realities, whether they be chemically, electronically or otherwise induced.

 

That said, given the present situation vis a vis pot, and presently disregarding the much greater harm to be occasioned by harder drugs,  I see no reason that this should be a topic/category requiring extensive discussion. [Who snipped here? Was that you, Wayfroggie?!?!?! :)] Though many may consider it a short-sighted and narrowly considered assessment (which it, indeed, may well be) I feel that should so many choose to embrace it, it should be acceptable as a Waymarking category, along side pizza joints (a sincerely unhealthy, yet psychologically satisfying, food choice, of which I have partaken on a great many occasions :)) and burger stands (again, equally unhealthy, equally satisfying, yet, mea culpa, a zillion times over :)).

 

One caveat I would add now is Peter's, in Calgary. Once (possibly more often) cited as the best burgers in Canada, I would happily die with a Peter's Burger in my mouth, one stuck in my throat and yet another in each hand. They are sooooo good that the original location, opened in 1962, remains at the same location, at 219 - 16th Avenue NE in Calgary, serving the same outrageously GREAT BURGERS as then.!!!

 

Guess I need to tack this on to the other "What Ya Gonna Do After This?" thread...

Keith

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On 4/15/2020 at 8:52 AM, Max and 99 said:
2 hours ago, Max and 99 said:

Legal Cannabis Retailers

 

I thought it was going to be about retailers that sell legal cannabis. But it's not. It's about retailers that sell cannabis to be used for legal recreation use.

Is this an important (however picayune) point in OK? Just wondering...

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2 hours ago, T0SHEA said:

 

Do you have any suggestions? 

 

My suggestion is that I will not comment further on that aspect until after peer review.

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6 minutes ago, elyob said:

 

My suggestion is that I will not comment further on that aspect until after peer review.

 

More of a cop out than a suggestion, but, what the heck?!?! :) :D

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On 4/15/2020 at 8:52 AM, Max and 99 said:

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I guess that pretty much sez it all!! Fer now, at least...:drama:

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On 4/13/2020 at 5:23 PM, T0SHEA said:

Please limit keep your comments to the merits of this proposal. 

 

 

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This proposal/new category IS CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD. 

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8 hours ago, T0SHEA said:

Enrollment is open. 

 

Don't forget:  "Alice Bowie".  "Sergeant Stadanko" might be another good idea.

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The view count continues to increase. 

 

Join the conversation. Waiting for peer review is not the time to speak up. 

 

As with a few proposals that went to peer without being discussed on the forum were criticized for this oversight. 

 

If you have not posted yet and are following this thread, I encourage you to join the discussion.

 

description/mission statement:
Cannabis more commonly known as Marijuana is legal in Canada and other parts of the world.    

The mission of this category is to locate and waymark permanent retail locations that offer LEGALIZED RECREATIONAL USE CANNABIS ONLY! This category WILL NOT accept any location where cannabis is NOT LEGALIZED or medical cannabis ONLY.

 

There will be two links required

1. Website for the business

2. An official government website that clearly states that RECREATIONAL USE CANNABIS is legal.

This includes either country, province, state, region. More to come with other suggestions that will be considered. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, T0SHEA said:

The view count continues to increase. 

 

Join the conversation. Waiting for peer review is not the time to speak up. 

 

As with a few proposals that went to peer without being discussed on the forum were criticized for this oversight. 

 

If you have not posted yet and are following this thread, I encourage you to join the discussion.

 

description/mission statement:
Cannabis more commonly known as Marijuana is legal in Canada and other parts of the world.    

The mission of this category is to locate and waymark permanent retail locations that offer LEGALIZED RECREATIONAL USE CANNABIS ONLY! This category WILL NOT accept any location where cannabis is NOT LEGALIZED or medical cannabis ONLY.

 

There will be two links required

1. Website for the business

2. An official government website that clearly states that RECREATIONAL USE CANNABIS is legal.

This includes either country, province, state, region. More to come with other suggestions that will be considered. 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure exactly where you are from T0SHEA - I want to make sure that you are crystal clear about the laws here in the United States. 
The states that have "'legalized" cannabis here are basically trying to thumb their noses at the Federal Government in Washington D.C.  One can still be charged with a Federal crime here in the United States - in ANY state - no matter if the state has legalized cannabis or not.  The Federal Government just happens not to enforce the law AT THIS TIME.  This doesn't mean that at some point, with a new President, that the cannabis laws won't get enforced.
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/federal-marijuana-laws.html

 

"If you live in a state that legalized medical or recreational marijuana use, it may come as an unpleasant surprise to learn that you are still committing a federal crime by possessing, buying, or selling marijuana. The problem is, despite the liberalization of state laws across the country, federal law still treats marijuana as a controlled substance, just like cocaine or heroin.

This conflict between state and federal law creates a situation where you can be charged with a federal crime for activities that are allowed by your home state, although federal agencies mostly have been reluctant to do so. There are also several ways that federal marijuana laws can affect everyday life decisions, from where you bank to where you live."

 

What this means is that, if you are serious about your second point, no waymarks can be listed in the United States at this time as Federal US law ALWAYS trumps state law.  

Just to be clear, if there isn't a strong prohibition to US waymarks in the writeup for this category, I will have to be one of the strongest voices against this as I do not believe in breaking laws. 

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4 minutes ago, iconions said:

I'm not sure exactly where you are from T0SHEA - I want to make sure that you are crystal clear about the laws here in the United States. 
The states that have "'legalized" cannabis here are basically trying to thumb their noses at the Federal Government in Washington D.C.  One can still be charged with a Federal crime here in the United States - in ANY state - no matter if the state has legalized cannabis or not.  The Federal Government just happens not to enforce the law AT THIS TIME.  This doesn't mean that at some point, with a new President, that the cannabis laws won't get enforced.
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/federal-marijuana-laws.html

 

"If you live in a state that legalized medical or recreational marijuana use, it may come as an unpleasant surprise to learn that you are still committing a federal crime by possessing, buying, or selling marijuana. The problem is, despite the liberalization of state laws across the country, federal law still treats marijuana as a controlled substance, just like cocaine or heroin.

This conflict between state and federal law creates a situation where you can be charged with a federal crime for activities that are allowed by your home state, although federal agencies mostly have been reluctant to do so. There are also several ways that federal marijuana laws can affect everyday life decisions, from where you bank to where you live."

 

What this means is that, if you are serious about your second point, no waymarks can be listed in the United States at this time as Federal US law ALWAYS trumps state law.  
 

This is why almost all retailers, at least in my state, accept cash only. Federal banking laws conflict with the state law allowing the sale of medical marijuana. It's a cash only business, in every respect you can imagine. 

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Posted Tuesday at 03:21 AM

What part of the above post was not understood? 

Or is it Repeat and Repeat Repeater rehashing what was written several times already?

Everyone "gets It!"

 

6 hours ago, T0SHEA said:

The view count continues to increase. 

 

Join the conversation. Waiting for peer review is not the time to speak up. 

 

As with a few proposals that went to peer without being discussed on the forum were criticized for this oversight. 

 

If you have not posted yet and are following this thread, I encourage you to join the discussion.

 

description/mission statement:
Cannabis more commonly known as Marijuana is legal in Canada and other parts of the world.    

The mission of this category is to locate and waymark permanent retail locations that offer LEGALIZED RECREATIONAL USE CANNABIS ONLY! This category WILL NOT accept any location where cannabis is NOT LEGALIZED or medical cannabis ONLY.

 

There will be two links required

1. Website for the business

2. An official government website that clearly states that RECREATIONAL USE CANNABIS is legal.

This includes either country, province, state, region. More to come with other suggestions that will be considered. 

 

 

Let me be "crystal clear ", in the above quoted post there is NO mention of the US, USA, United States, United States of America,  America or US of A. or mention of Oklahoma or Kansas or any  other state for that matter. 

 

BTW: there are other countries that use "state" designations. 

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3 hours ago, T0SHEA said:

Posted Tuesday at 03:21 AM

What part of the above post was not understood? 

Or is it Repeat and Repeat Repeater rehashing what was written several times already?

Everyone "gets It!"

 

 

Let me be "crystal clear ", in the above quoted post there is NO mention of the US, USA, United States, United States of America,  America or US of A. or mention of Oklahoma or Kansas or any  other state for that matter. 

 

BTW: there are other countries that use "state" designations. 

Let's start over.

 

1st - You aren't very diplomatic, are you?  You do realize people are trying to help you with your category and you are getting seriously defensive.  You might as well have "OK, Boomer"ed me with what you said in that first section. 
People do not go back and read the entire thread - they tend to see something and react.  So, yes, things are going to be rehashed, especially when specific concerns are not met or addressed.  Get used to it until you address specific concerns.

2nd - the very fact that you HAVEN'T addressed the US is EXACTLY my point.  US State Law and US Federal Law are in conflict and some waymarkers are just going to see that dispensaries are legal in the specific state and waymark it.  Instead of being smug, all you had to say was that the US was going to be excluded and that would have been the end of my concern - instead, you decided to come back with a swarmy, demeaning reply.  
So let's make this REALLY "crystal clear" - if you accept submissions for ANY US  dispensaries, you and the Submitter have violated the terms of use for Groundspeak:.
Section D Restrictions Section V -  "Upload, post, transmit, or otherwise distribute (including by emailing us) any content or act in a way that targets others on the basis of a legal protected status; is unlawful,"

Now, is THAT enough to make myself and my concerns about approving US dispensaries on your radar?  You need to state EXACTLY what you plan to do with the US as you have not explicitly done so, my guess is that you haven't as you do not want to lose US waymarker support.  Every waymark someone uploads, they state they will follow the Terms of Use.  

3rd - yea, I am more than aware of more than one Federal system in the world - we have one north and one south of us, among others.   

 

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3 hours ago, T0SHEA said:

Posted Tuesday at 03:21 AM

What part of the above post was not understood? 

Or is it Repeat and Repeat Repeater rehashing what was written several times already?

Everyone "gets It!"

 

 

Let me be "crystal clear ", in the above quoted post there is NO mention of the US, USA, United States, United States of America,  America or US of A. or mention of Oklahoma or Kansas or any  other state for that matter. 

 

BTW: there are other countries that use "state" designations. 

I think what he is trying to convey is that you say marijuana is legal in some of the United States, and that your category would accept them. But, according to US Federal law, they are NOT legal. So, how do you differentiate on "Legal"?

And I still have a worry on how you are going to tell if they are Medical or recreational sales?

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19 minutes ago, vulture1957 said:

I think what he is trying to convey is that you say marijuana is legal in some of the United States, and that your category would accept them. But, according to US Federal law, they are NOT legal. So, how do you differentiate on "Legal"?

And I still have a worry on how you are going to tell if they are Medical or recreational sales?

I had to go back and redo my thoughts.  Thanks for the backup!  :)

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For the present, there would be no USA waymarks in this category?

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