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Looking at it from a COs perspective - What is the point of Ad Labs ?

 

As a CO -

* You do not get notifications that someone has completed your Ad Lab

* You can not see who has logged the Ad Lab (if you have more than 10 completions the name of any further cacher who completes is not known - that is unless they complete the 'log', which only 10% of those that have done my Lab have done so) 

* You can not delete spurious logs 

* The only facility to be able to see who has partially or fully completed the Labs has been removed (the facility to download player statistics has been removed) 

* With answers and codes being published on facebook of several Adventure labs around the world all of which are being logged remotely - as a CO we can do nothing about it 

 

These issues have not been addressed and yet more new ones are being pumped out 
I am aware of COs of current Labs getting very despondent at the lack of CO capability and the lack of ability to maintain them that they are considering or have removed their Lab from the system 

These have been out for some time now - why has there been little progress with these sorts of issues 

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1 hour ago, Deepdiggingmole said:

Looking at it from a COs perspective - What is the point of Ad Labs ?

 

As a CO -

* You do not get notifications that someone has completed your Ad Lab

* You can not see who has logged the Ad Lab (if you have more than 10 completions the name of any further cacher who completes is not known - that is unless they complete the 'log', which only 10% of those that have done my Lab have done so) 

* You can not delete spurious logs 

* The only facility to be able to see who has partially or fully completed the Labs has been removed (the facility to download player statistics has been removed) 

* With answers and codes being published on facebook of several Adventure labs around the world all of which are being logged remotely - as a CO we can do nothing about it 

 

These issues have not been addressed and yet more new ones are being pumped out 
I am aware of COs of current Labs getting very despondent at the lack of CO capability and the lack of ability to maintain them that they are considering or have removed their Lab from the system 

These have been out for some time now - why has there been little progress with these sorts of issues 

 

How discouraging!  I was excited when I got an email from HQ in late March that I received an Adventure Lab credit!  I'm disappointed that I will have to wait till the current pandemic eases up to get out and actually plan it, but I can work on ideas while here at home.  I'm looking forward to putting it all together!  Now this wet blanket on the whole thing....

 

The ones I have done locally seem to be accepted very well by the local community - I'm not aware of bogus (remote) logs - people who have completed seem to write about their experience for the rest of us to read (only 10% of yours have logs?!) and I am happy to have a credit to get creative!

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1 hour ago, CAVinoGal said:

 

How discouraging!  I was excited when I got an email from HQ in late March that I received an Adventure Lab credit!  I'm disappointed that I will have to wait till the current pandemic eases up to get out and actually plan it, but I can work on ideas while here at home.  I'm looking forward to putting it all together!  Now this wet blanket on the whole thing....

 

The ones I have done locally seem to be accepted very well by the local community - I'm not aware of bogus (remote) logs - people who have completed seem to write about their experience for the rest of us to read (only 10% of yours have logs?!) and I am happy to have a credit to get creative!

Dont get me wrong  - doing them is fun and it is evident a lot of effort is put in by the AL COs and the Ad Labs are well recieved by the cachers that do them - but as a CO....... repeat above :-) 

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3 hours ago, Deepdiggingmole said:

These have been out for some time now - why has there been little progress with these sorts of issues 

 

I understand your point very well but I suggest to remove all remaining statistics from Ad Labs. When you don't know something it doesn't matter. Those who really want to enjoy your Ad Lab cache will do it anyway. Why do you care about others?

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13 minutes ago, arisoft said:

 

I understand your point very well but I suggest to remove all remaining statistics from Ad Labs. When you don't know something it doesn't matter. Those who really want to enjoy your Ad Lab cache will do it anyway. Why do you care about others?

 

I am interested in the stats of my own lab cache and in particular the downloadable finder stats - which as a CO was the only way I could see who has found my Ad lab 
As a CO of a physical cache, a traditional cache for example - I am required to ensure integrity of that cache as part of the maintenance regime - thus I would check the signatures in the log book against the online logs and would challenge any spurious logs - very few COs as we all know do this.
I own a webcam cache now a rarity and have no intention in losing it and so I ensure logs are accompanied by the required webcam image capture rather than a selfie for example - failure to do this could result in my cache being archived for lack of proper maintenance by the CO.
So I would like to think that similar is asked of the CO of an adventure Lab. The first 4 finders of mine did so remotely from other parts of the world - as a CO I would like to be able to delete those - I cant. (I was however able to get all 4 of those cachers to delete their finds with a pleasant and carefully worded email) 
It is evident that many lab caches are found 'remotely' and moreso since many of them are now published on the FB site (which incidently has now posted over 170,000 TB codes !!!)  so again as a CO it would be nice to know who the finders of the Ad lab caches are and deal with any spurious finders 

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1 minute ago, Deepdiggingmole said:

I am interested in the stats of my own lab cache and in particular the downloadable finder stats

 

Why are you interested in stats? What do you lose if statistics are not available?

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5 hours ago, Deepdiggingmole said:

These issues have not been addressed and yet more new ones are being pumped out 

I am aware of COs of current Labs getting very despondent at the lack of CO capability and the lack of ability to maintain them that they are considering or have removed their Lab from the system 


These have been out for some time now - why has there been little progress with these sorts of issues 

 

It tooks over a year but they finally removed the beta banner from the app icon with the new version. The integrated map for every lab adventure location is still missing months after it was promised on the podcast....

 

Perso on my adventure labs I still have low numbers so it doesn't seem to have cheater yet but I know it will come. I have 5 completed and 3 have left comment.

 

Other things that are missing for the lab caches are no proximity rules (I have 2 duplicates in my area) and no reviewing process to make sure the guidelines are respected.

 

I would also like they stop to add more players because my area is flooded with adventures labs (95 published in my province and more to come). They were special and hard to get before but not anymore.

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13 hours ago, arisoft said:

What do you lose if statistics are not available?

Feedback about who plays my ALC. Is is too much for me as a CO (Lab cache or otherwise) to get some info about who is finding (or claiming to have found it) my cache? If similar rule changes were applied to "normal" caches, i.e. you can claim a find without any feedback whatsoever to the CO, I'd archive my listings the next day.

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12 minutes ago, baer2006 said:

If similar rule changes were applied to "normal" caches, i.e. you can claim a find without any feedback whatsoever to the CO, I'd archive my listings the next day.

Same here.

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21 minutes ago, baer2006 said:

Feedback about who plays my ALC. Is is too much for me as a CO (Lab cache or otherwise) to get some info about who is finding (or claiming to have found it) my cache? If similar rule changes were applied to "normal" caches, i.e. you can claim a find without any feedback whatsoever to the CO, I'd archive my listings the next day.

 

Normal caches have logbook. I can not see enough relation between geocaching and adventuring to be able to use analogies between them.

 

In this case, both ways (stats or no stats) ends to the same result... adventure owner is not satisfied. :P

 

 

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Hello Adventure creators, 

 

The Adventure Lab app is still very much in an experimental phase (or "BETA"). Geocaching HQ is still learning from the creativity of Adventure creators and players, and our team is hard at work on several features and fixes on the Adventure Lab platform. 

 

We sincerely do thank everyone for their participation and feedback so that we can look forward to officially announcing and fully releasing the Adventure Lab app in the future. 

 

Be well and stay safe out there!

ktaylor211
Geocaching HQ

 

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On 4/13/2020 at 3:13 PM, ktaylor211 said:

Hello Adventure creators, 

 

The Adventure Lab app is still very much in an experimental phase (or "BETA"). Geocaching HQ is still learning from the creativity of Adventure creators and players, and our team is hard at work on several features and fixes on the Adventure Lab platform. 

 

We sincerely do thank everyone for their participation and feedback so that we can look forward to officially announcing and fully releasing the Adventure Lab app in the future. 

 

Be well and stay safe out there!

ktaylor211
Geocaching HQ

 

What are your plans for the Adventures labs in the future? Flooding the game field and turn geocaching as a virtual game as the other-game-we-should-not-name? You have added even more players in my area today... They are not special anymore to find.

 

You should really do the fixes before adding more players.

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On 4/13/2020 at 7:13 PM, ktaylor211 said:

Hello Adventure creators, 

 

The Adventure Lab app is still very much in an experimental phase (or "BETA"). Geocaching HQ is still learning from the creativity of Adventure creators and players, and our team is hard at work on several features and fixes on the Adventure Lab platform. 

 

We sincerely do thank everyone for their participation and feedback so that we can look forward to officially announcing and fully releasing the Adventure Lab app in the future. 

 

Be well and stay safe out there!

ktaylor211
Geocaching HQ

 

Hi

Thank you HQ for replying - however you mention the app is still in BETA stage however you still put more of these out
how many do you need to learn and improve ?

Are what you have already put out not enough to learn from and move on to the next stage. ?
I keep hearing of more cachers in my area getting these and many asking what to do, etc etc and I am often biting my tongue to say - don't bother - as a CO you don't get any satisfaction after you have made it public - you have no control over maintenance as you would physical caches (such as spurious logging) and this has been the case for many months - the one thing that gave you a little insight into what was going on (the player statistics) has been removed. All this has been fedback to HQ many times by many Ad Lab COs and yet we see no improvement to the app each time more of these labs are handed out to new owners 
It wuld be nice to hear what is being looked at and any changes that are being considered for the potential full roll out 

 

Thank you 

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On 4/8/2020 at 10:18 PM, arisoft said:

 

Why are you interested in stats? What do you lose if statistics are not available?

Feedback is important - for all versions physical and virtual - stats form part of the feedback process (IMO) 
If as a CO you get no feedback on your own caches / labs then you have no idea as to whether what you have put out is working - and by that I mean being enjoyed by the people who find them. If the feed back you get is negative then you can act on that and try to improve it to make it more enjoyable. 
 

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On 4/8/2020 at 5:10 PM, Deepdiggingmole said:

 

I am interested in the stats of my own lab cache and in particular the downloadable finder stats - which as a CO was the only way I could see who has found my Ad lab 
As a CO of a physical cache, a traditional cache for example - I am required to ensure integrity of that cache as part of the maintenance regime - thus I would check the signatures in the log book against the online logs and would challenge any spurious logs - very few COs as we all know do this.
I own a webcam cache now a rarity and have no intention in losing it and so I ensure logs are accompanied by the required webcam image capture rather than a selfie for example - failure to do this could result in my cache being archived for lack of proper maintenance by the CO.
So I would like to think that similar is asked of the CO of an adventure Lab. The first 4 finders of mine did so remotely from other parts of the world - as a CO I would like to be able to delete those - I cant. (I was however able to get all 4 of those cachers to delete their finds with a pleasant and carefully worded email) 
It is evident that many lab caches are found 'remotely' and moreso since many of them are now published on the FB site (which incidently has now posted over 170,000 TB codes !!!)  so again as a CO it would be nice to know who the finders of the Ad lab caches are and deal with any spurious finders 

I've had the pleasure of completing only one Adventure Lab (10 sites).  It is my understanding that you can only log a find if you're within so many feet of a site AND submit the answer to get credit.  How do you arm chair or remotely log your find?  Are you saying they are already hacking into the system to do so?

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15 hours ago, Toeb said:

I've had the pleasure of completing only one Adventure Lab (10 sites).  It is my understanding that you can only log a find if you're within so many feet of a site AND submit the answer to get credit.  How do you arm chair or remotely log your find?  Are you saying they are already hacking into the system to do so?

Oh yes - sadly, from early on, a way was found to fool your PC to thinking it was in a certain place using a false GPS program and as such could take you to any of the required locations. The FB site that has listed all those TB codes has also put out spoilers/answers to Ad Labs and also added the link to the spoof GPS program 

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Today, I played an ALC which was really fun. Cool "story", and a great way to guide the player to the coordinates of the bonus cache (using videos in the journal entries). The bonus cache itself is not yet published (because of COVID-19 restrictions), so I couldn't write a log there. But because I liked the ALC, I said to me "Ok, let's reward the owner with a positive and elaborate feedback within the app". I hate typing long texts on the smartphone, but I wanted to make an exception in this case.

So I started typing away ... only to suddenly realize that I couldn't add more text! Copying the text to my PC to count the characters, I found out that the log is apparently limited to 400 characters :(. So much for long and "rewarding" logs on an ALC...

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