Popular Post +Deepdiggingmole Posted February 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2020 Are HQ aware that not only have the people who started 'geocaching TB spoiler' page on facebook now added nearly 41,000 TB codes they are also now listing completion codes on many Adventure labs. The Adventure Lab spoilers started with the virtual tours (the play anywhere ones) but they are now listing completion codes for ordinary Adventure labs and then adding a link to a spoof location site program (to enable people to get their android to think they are at the Ad Lab location and then play as if they are there) Unlike TBs where you can lock your page - with Ad Labs this is not possible. It is also not possible for an Ad Lab owner to delete spoof logs and I am aware of cachers archiving their Ad Labs because there is nothing they can do to prevent these labs being logged Please HQ can you do something about this 7 3 Quote Link to comment
+HHL Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Deepdiggingmole said: Please HQ can you do something about this Yes, asap. Thanks 3 1 Quote Link to comment
+JL_HSTRE Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Can challenge caches care about TB discoveries? If not what's the point? Next cacher I hear brag about their TB discovery count will be the first. 1 Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Deepdiggingmole said: Are HQ aware... Did you notify HQ in their Contact Us ? 1 Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 hours ago, JL_HSTRE said: Can challenge caches care about TB discoveries? If not what's the point? Next cacher I hear brag about their TB discovery count will be the first. We've seen a bunch now with more trackables logged than their find count, but we never hear anyone speak of it. There's a few trackable "challenge" caches, maybe it'd be interesting to see if they're remote logged as well. 1 Quote Link to comment
+Deepdiggingmole Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, cerberus1 said: Did you notify HQ in their Contact Us ? Yes - but also highlighting it here to make everyone aware Quote Link to comment
tom1996 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 What do you think Groundspeak can do against that? The Facebook user is posting letters and numbers, no names of travel bugs, no pictures, nothing Groundspeak could claim the intellectual property for. Ruining the game is no copyright infringement. 1 Quote Link to comment
+fizzymagic Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I'm confused. As with wherigos, I just assumed that Adventure Labs completion codes are unique to the user. If they are not, then it's a design issue. 1 Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, tom1996 said: What do you think Groundspeak can do against that? The Facebook user is posting letters and numbers, no names of travel bugs, no pictures, nothing Groundspeak could claim the intellectual property for. Those "letters and numbers" are codes for property that belongs to the site's members. Most it seems still in their possession at home. Aren't the trackable Owners allowed the benefit of their own work or investment in the creation of their coins ? 3 1 Quote Link to comment
+31BMSG Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, tom1996 said: What do you think Groundspeak can do against that? The Facebook user is posting letters and numbers, no names of travel bugs, no pictures, nothing Groundspeak could claim the intellectual property for. Ruining the game is no copyright infringement. I purchased the "letter and number" combinations you speak of for my own use. Feel free to post the letters and numbers of your home address in correct combination on the face thing if you want to discuss this further. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
+Deepdiggingmole Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, tom1996 said: What do you think Groundspeak can do against that? The Facebook user is posting letters and numbers, no names of travel bugs, no pictures, nothing Groundspeak could claim the intellectual property for. Ruining the game is no copyright infringement. No argument here - and a difficult one to answer - I would have thought a code is no different to a name - its all letters and numbers, I have TBs with letters and numbers in its name - so what is the difference ? Groundspeak sell the codes - we make the TBs - so surely the code is the important aspect of this - however, I don't know enough about intellectual property and the law behind it to have a sensible argument for and against My OP was mainly with regard to highlighting that beyond what has occurred with the TB codes this site is now publishing answers for non-virtual Adventure Labs and linking it with a site that tells you how to access these from anywhere in the world using spoof GPS program HQ have already answered the difficulties they have with regard to the TBs issue - I was asking whether this new development can give them any additional leverage to deal with the site Edited February 9, 2020 by Deepdiggingmole Quote Link to comment
+Deepdiggingmole Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, fizzymagic said: I'm confused. As with wherigos, I just assumed that Adventure Labs completion codes are unique to the user. If they are not, then it's a design issue. They are - however this site is obtaining (somehow) the completion codes (answers) and listing these on the site - but in addition they have added a link to a site that enables anyone to complete these from anywhere in the world - so like the virtual ad labs they are encouraging people to log non-virtual ad labs tours from the comfort of your armchair !!! Quote Link to comment
Keystone Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I moved this thread from the Geocaching Topics forum. Quote Link to comment
+lee737 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 What is needed is an easy to use link on a TB discovery email notification.... 'If you believe this discovery is fraudulent - click here'. This gives the discoverer a black mark, set a minimum number of black marks as a threshold for accidents etc, then start some punitive action against the cheats. 4 Quote Link to comment
+Deepdiggingmole Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, lee737 said: What is needed is an easy to use link on a TB discovery email notification.... 'If you believe this discovery is fraudulent - click here'. This gives the discoverer a black mark, set a minimum number of black marks as a threshold for accidents etc, then start some punitive action against the cheats. I have reported 2 cachers so far for logging my TBs - I do research these prior to taking action and with both it was evident (it is easy to ascertain) that each had logged a whole bunch of TBs in a very short space of time - I then reported them, both have had mass deletions by HQ - I do feel however that just deleting their logs is not enough However as per OP - now this site has moved onto Adventure Labs I feel HQ should try and act more in dealing with the facebook group 3 Quote Link to comment
+lee737 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 The reporting process is actually a fairly convoluted process, what is needed is a simple 'report' button. Maybe a human need not even look at it until several reports coalesce on one cacher.... Quote Link to comment
tom1996 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 It's easier to kick the butts of people USING the data by in-game action than hitting the publisher of the data by legal action.. 2 Quote Link to comment
+thebruce0 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 I'm firmly against this group's activity, ... buut... I'm kind of surprised it took this long, given the entirely virtual nature of adventure labs. "Took long enough" seems harsh = P That said, this group needs to be shut down. Somehow. Or HQ needs to find some way to change the mechanic to thwart virtual logging. Or this aspect to the game will also fall to the wayside, just like Geocaching Challenges. I tell ya, Geocaching is best exemplified in the standard geocache listing mechanic. Location-based gaming is a whole other beast that entire companies are built around to thwart spoofing and cheating, on an hourly and daily basis. I don't think HQ has the infrastructure for that, and should really continue to focus on what they do best. 2 Quote Link to comment
+baer2006 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, thebruce0 said: I'm kind of surprised it took this long, given the entirely virtual nature of adventure labs. Took this long? There is a (hidden) German FB group, where ALC find codes have been distributed since 2018 at least. Anyway, I fully agree to the rest of your post. Quote Link to comment
+thebruce0 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, baer2006 said: There is a (hidden) German FB group, where ALC find codes have been distributed since 2018 at least. That's absolutely not surprising. (no offense to Germans in general - these people are just not setting a shining example) 1 Quote Link to comment
+baer2006 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, thebruce0 said: That's absolutely not surprising. (no offense to Germans in general - these people are just not setting a shining example) You are unfortunately correct in both points. Quote Link to comment
+Deepdiggingmole Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 17 hours ago, lee737 said: The reporting process is actually a fairly convoluted process, what is needed is a simple 'report' button. Maybe a human need not even look at it until several reports coalesce on one cacher.... I have never found the reporting process an issue - yes, it would be easier with a report button - however what you often find with those simpler processes is no option to explain. I like to outline my complaint and not just leave it to a tickbox affair I also think there is a likelihood of a misuse of the 'report' button if it becomes that simple Quote Link to comment
+Korichnovui Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Do you think the TB issue is changed much with the recent profile stats change? TB's are no longer reported now when you view someone's profile, having been replaced by favorite points. Seems like a lot of these folks will lose interest rapidly in "farming" these TB discoveries, or whatever you wanna call it, now that their Really Big TB Number won't be displayed readily on their profile page? 1 Quote Link to comment
+thebruce0 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Replied to this identical comment here. 1 Quote Link to comment
+Deepdiggingmole Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 10:00 AM, tom1996 said: It's easier to kick the butts of people USING the data by in-game action than hitting the publisher of the data by legal action.. It might well be - but that relies on those whose TBs/coins are being spuriously logged actually reporting those cachers - I have done it It would be interesting to see how many messages HQ have recieved for just this issue alone - They can't do anything if cachers are not reporting them Quote Link to comment
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