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Wow, +1 to that.

You can get Basecamp to provide only GC codes, but you must reformat the *.gpx file.  That can be done with GSAK, but it's an unnecessary (IMO) extra step that shouldn't be necessary.

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On 4/17/2020 at 9:48 AM, ras_oscar said:

As I mentioned in an an earlier thread, mapsource allows me to display caches on the map by GC code only. Basecamp shows GC code and cache name, which obscures the map sufficiently as to be nearly impossible to plan a cache run.

Thank Yoiu.

 

Interestingly, there was another user complaining that BaseCamp only shows GC Codes and no names... I can not find any universal program setting to edit, must be done for each geocache individually...

 

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yup i saw that. GSAK export is maintained by mapsource but not basecamp.

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You can freely move *.gdb files between GSAK and either Mapsource or Basecamp.  The trick is to export from GSAK using its custom "Waypoint name" feature, just as most of us do for *.gpx export for our GPS devices.  I export my *.gdb files using '%drop2'.  That trips off the "GC" and just leaves the raw GC code for display on the Mapsource or Basecamp map.  That avoids all of the clutter of names on the map for either app.

 

 

 

 

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What would be really cool is if I could get BOTH Basecamp and Mapsource to work off the same save file as GSAK. I've resumed my previous practice of logging my finds using GSAK. Mapsource asks me to identify a GPX file to open. Basecamp and I believe GSAK opens their internal backup file. 

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Once GSAK is loaded with a *.gpx file, it is REALLY easy to just export a *.gdb file for Mapsource or Basecamp with the %drop2 to show just the GC numbers in those two apps.

 

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i've always used GPX instead of .gdb. Do you know what the differences are between those file types?

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34 minutes ago, ras_oscar said:

i've always used GPX instead of .gdb. Do you know what the differences are between those file types?

I believe that .gdb is an actual database file whereas GPX is a listing of points in XML format to be read for display by a GPS. The data from GPX files can be parsed and entered into a database, but the format itself is not conducive for data functions such as sorting and searching. That's why GPS units read the file and then add parts of it to their internal databases.

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ok, i'll back up the important stuff and mess about with it. 

 

Edit: Its raining today so I exported my home cache region to a GDB fileusing %codeas the waypoint name, and opened it i both basecamp and mapsource. They now both display the GC code only and I can see the map behind more clearly. Thanks for solving my problem.

 

When transferring caches to my garmin device is there any benefit in using GPX vs GDB? I have ways used gpx, never considered there might be another option.

 

There is a data loss when changing from .GPX to.GDB. In Basecamp.  In Mapsorce the data provided is the same either way.  Basecamp/GPX provides a full listing or al information in the web page, including sc=cache description, logs, etc. When changing to GDB it only provides the basic information. I will keep using the .GPX file n my GPS so I have that information in the field.

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Mineral2 is mostly correct.

GPX was designed and developed around the turn of the century by independent software creators to provide a common interchange format between applications (and was then hoped, GPS units). It was focused on waypoint, tracks, and routes - the interesting common denominator at the time. Extensions are available for fitness data, acceleration (racers), marine, and such. It's supported by many programs on many operating systems and probably even more web sites.. It's an open file specification and a mostly plain ole text file in the sense that a simple web page is; GPX is pretty simple.

mps and later, gdb and gpi were developed internally by Garmin for Garmin's own apps. Specifications on it were never released and any interoperability via those formats is because souls have stared at piles of raw number and worked out what Garmin would do. These files changed over times in incomptibles, while GPX moves very slowly. (Critics may fairly say that it's too slow - and that's partially on me to fix.)

If you're storing your data and it's valuable to be able to open it in other apps where you don't control the readers or in a future where Garmin fails and/or drops these apps, store it in GPX.

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Nice, isn't it?  I would recommend using %drop2 instead, since that strips the first two characters ("GC") off of the front of each GC code, further reducing the amount of space taken on the map view by the identifiers.

 

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7 hours ago, ecanderson said:

Nice, isn't it?  I would recommend using %drop2 instead, since that strips the first two characters ("GC") off of the front of each GC code, further reducing the amount of space taken on the map view by the identifiers.

 

 

That works so long a every single data item is an actual geocache, but when additional waypoints such as parking, stages, etc. are also involved, which can use the original GC code with a different prefix, which would also be stripped here, can lead to multiple waypoints with identical names...

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Ah, yes.  If you were to bring the 'child' waypoints into the map, that (using %drop2) becomes an issue.  I don't do that, though -- I do not export the children for my routing.  I prefer to find my own routing and parking solutions most of the time.  For some out of the way caches, there may be better solutions than even the CO is aware of.

 

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i usually strip out the extra points, since selecting a parking location is usually part of my trip planning process.

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Is there an open source ( IE free) source of current sat images I can import as a mapset into Basecamp? I know I can use the images in Groundspeak online, but I'd like to be able to use it offline when i'm planning trips ( to flip back and forth between trails and overhead) . Helps to evaluate a spot for  (for instance ) safe parking. I already have OSM routable for Basecamp and my GPSr. The closest I have found is the leaflet map caches macro, but that doesn't allow me to plan and save routes.

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11 minutes ago, ras_oscar said:

Is there an open source ( IE free) source of current sat images I can import as a mapset into Basecamp? I know I can use the images in Groundspeak online, but I'd like to be able to use it offline when i'm planning trips ( to flip back and forth between trails and overhead) . Helps to evaluate a spot for  (for instance ) safe parking. I already have OSM routable for basecamp and my GPSr.

I've always wondered about that. For now I just use my phone for that.

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36 minutes ago, ras_oscar said:

Is there an open source ( IE free) source of current sat images I can import as a mapset into Basecamp?

Have never seen one.  As a result, once I have done my initial rough routing for a cache run in Mapsource (or Basecamp), and I tag these in GSAK as I go, I export resulting list from GSAK as a *.gpx, convert that to *.kml, and do my serious notes for parking and unusual routing in Google Earth.  The problem with GE, however, is that the imagery always seems old, even compared to the satellite data in Google Maps.  Does anyone know why that is, by the way?  Google Maps satellite imagery always seems to be a year or three ahead of GE.  Strange.

 

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1 hour ago, ecanderson said:

Google Maps satellite imagery always seems to be a year or three ahead of GE.  Strange.

Is that true of the web version of GE? I think Google has slowed or nearly abandoned development on the desktop GE apps.

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Yes, it's the web version that I use.  And it's not the app I have issue with (although there's a few things I'd like to see changed), it's the fact that they're often supplying a significantly older set of imagery on their GE server than they do on their Google Maps server.

 

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4 hours ago, Atlas Cached said:

ras_oscar, which Garmin GPSr do you own?

Garmin Oregon 700

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6 minutes ago, ras_oscar said:

Garmin Oregon 700

 

Excellent.

 

Most Garmin GPSr include one year free access to BirdsEye satellite imagery, which is the only satellite imagery BaseCamp works with.

 

If you have not already started using the free one year subscription included with your Garmin GPSr,  you can start anytime by simply connecting the GPSr to your computer, running BaseCamp, and selecting BirdsEye satellite imagery to download. (see GPSrChive > BaseCamp > Maps > BirdsEye)

  • The free subscription is automatically enabled when you start selecting areas from within the BaseCamp program. 
  • There is no need for any account creation for this free use.
  • There is no need for any device registration for this free use. 

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And is the imagery mine to keep once I have downloaded it or does it go away after a year unless I pay?

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Once the subscription period has ended, you will no longer be able to download new imagery unless you re-subscribe, but all imagery downloaded to that point remains yours to use in BaseCamp and on the GPSr for unlimited time.

 

See GPSrChive > How To... > Maps > BirdsEye for more detailed information. Especially the 'BirdsEye Map Archive' section.

 

 

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