Trifecta

[+Clongo_Rongo]

The Trifecta refers to a specific set of three geocache sites within the Pacific Northwest!  Attempting to complete the Trifecta is a popular goal of geocachers traveling to the Seattle/Portland area.  

The three geocaches considered as the Trifecta are the recently re-discovered Project A.P.E. cache container (GC1169), the Original Stash Tribute Plaque (GCGV0P) and the Geocaching Headquarters (GCK25B).

 

you can buy the coin to celebrate your signing the logs on all three,  but you are not able to set a challenge for others to do the same

 

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I am finding it really hard to set a challenge cache unless i can prove hundreds can also claim a find already ?

 

what is the point of setting a  challenge if you have to prove so many can already claim a find ?

 

 

Edited December 13, 2019 by CHEZRASCALS

[+Max and 99]

9 minutes ago, CHEZRASCALS said:

The Trifecta refers to a specific set of three geocache sites within the Pacific Northwest!  Attempting to complete the Trifecta is a popular goal of geocachers traveling to the Seattle/Portland area.  

The three geocaches considered as the Trifecta are the recently re-discovered Project A.P.E. cache container (GC1169), the Original Stash Tribute Plaque (GCGV0P) and the Geocaching Headquarters (GCK25B).

 

you can buy the coin to celebrate your signing the logs on all three,  but you are not able to set a challenge for others to do the same

 

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I am finding it really hard to set a challenge cache unless i can prove hundreds can also claim a find already ?

 

what is the point of setting a  challenge if you have to prove so many can already claim a find ?

 

 

I don't think hundreds are required. 

Without the requirement to show that others qualify for the challenge, it could turn into a "Here's my big accomplishment. I bet no one else can do what I did!"

[+Korichnovui]

If I understand this right, you’re trying to make a Trifecta challenge.

 

If you read the rules, you’ll see they demonstrating that the challenge is “do-able” is one of the rules. Nobody said you have to find “hundreds” but a sampling will do.

 

In this situation I may try looking up the profiles of several prominent cachers in the area (more than 10k finds) and see if they’ve completed the a trifecta. Get a list of maybe 3-4, I bet that would satisfy the reviewer.

You could also ask around a little on the local geocaching social media sites to see who has completed the trifecta, and get some names that way. Send messages to some of the prominent cachers. Etc. I think you only need about 3-4, that would probably be adequate.

Edited December 13, 2019 by Korichnovui

[+Clongo_Rongo]

5 minutes ago, Korichnovui said:

If I understand this right, you’re trying to make a Trifecta challenge.

 

If you read the rules, you’ll see they demonstrating that the challenge is “do-able” is one of the rules. Nobody said you have to find “hundreds” but a sampling will do.

 

In this situation I may try looking up the profiles of several prominent cachers in the area (more than 10k finds) and see if they’ve completed the a trifecta. Get a list of maybe 3-4, I bet that would satisfy the reviewer.

 

here is the reply from GCHQ

Hello
Thanks for contacting Geocaching HQ.

Unfortunately, your challenge cache idea would not be possible because it would not comply with the Specific Lists guideline of the Challenge Cache Guidelines.

Best regards,

Geocaching HQ

[+Clongo_Rongo]

9 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

I don't think hundreds are required. 

Without the requirement to show that others qualify for the challenge, it could turn into a "Here's my big accomplishment. I bet no one else can do what I did!"

At GCHQ you can buy the coin - so why make one if no one else can do it ?

[+Max and 99]

It would be helpful to get the rest of the info, such as the wording of your challenge. Is it just to find those three specific caches?

[+Wet Pancake Touring Club]

Academically, here's how I would go about getting a list of cachers that already qualify.

 

A challenge checker would need to be written. Using that, you can look at past logs on one of these caches. As there is a Going APE event every year, I would look for people that attended the one in 2015, and run them through the checker. The reason for that year is that the Going APE event was held during the same week as the Geocaching Block party, and lots of people would attend both. It would probably be mentioned in their logs.

 

However, given the timing and popularity of the Block Party and the Going APE events, I would think it would be self evident to the reviewer that this challenge has already been met by hundreds of geocachers.

 

And, the published guidelines for what is not allowed with regards to Specific Lists doesn't seem to disqualify this cache.

[+Clongo_Rongo]

13 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

It would be helpful to get the rest of the info, such as the wording of your challenge. Is it just to find those three specific caches?

The Trifecta refers to a specific set of three geocache sites within the Pacific Northwest!  Attempting to complete the Trifecta is a popular goal of geocachers traveling to the Seattle/Portland area.  

The three geocaches considered as the Trifecta are the recently re-discovered Project A.P.E. cache container (GC1169), the Original Stash Tribute Plaque (GCGV0P) and the Geocaching Headquarters (GCK25B).

 

Find all 3 as per project - gc checker - 

[+Max and 99]

5 minutes ago, CHEZRASCALS said:

The Trifecta refers to a specific set of three geocache sites within the Pacific Northwest!  Attempting to complete the Trifecta is a popular goal of geocachers traveling to the Seattle/Portland area.  

The three geocaches considered as the Trifecta are the recently re-discovered Project A.P.E. cache container (GC1169), the Original Stash Tribute Plaque (GCGV0P) and the Geocaching Headquarters (GCK25B).

 

Find all 3 as per project - gc checker - 

I know what the Trifecta is. What is your challenge that was denied? Find those same three caches? 

 

A challenge based on elements under the cache owner’s primary control is not acceptable: examples, my favorites, my caches, bookmark lists, caches by this owner, or this group. (Help center).

[+barefootjeff]

7 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

I know what the Trifecta is. What is your challenge that was denied? Find those same three caches? 

 

A challenge based on elements under the cache owner’s primary control is not acceptable: examples, my favorites, my caches, bookmark lists, caches by this owner, or this group. (Help center).

 

Yes, you can't have a challenge that requires finding a list of specific caches (or even a specifc single cache).

 

11. Specific Lists

• A challenge based on caches with at least X number of Favorite Points can be published, as the information comes from Geocaching.com.

• A challenge based on elements under the cache owner’s primary control is not acceptable: examples, my favorites, my caches, bookmark lists, caches by this owner, or this group.

 

It has nothing to do with needing hundreds of pre-qualifiers. For the two challenge caches I've had published, I provided the reviewer with a list of ten pre-qualifiers from the cache's likely catchment area (I used roughly a 50km radius) and that was accepted. Ten is a number that has been often quoted in the forums but it probably varies region to region and maybe even challenge to challenge depending on the local caching demography.

[+Touchstone]

In my area, a list of 10 local Users who qualify is usually sufficient to demonstrate the Challenge is reasonable, not hundreds. 
 

as pointed out already, your Challenge is contrary to the guidance based on the specific list portion. 

[+WRASTRO]

I expect thousands have completed the Trifecta over the years. We did it in 2006/2007 with the original Ape cache and the original HQ when you still needed a reservation to visit HQ. I imagine many have tried to create a challenge cache for this. Perhaps it might work if you specified finding caches created on specific dates? Still pretty obvious as to intent, but you never know.

[+Michaelcycle]

2 hours ago, CHEZRASCALS said:

At GCHQ you can buy the coin - so why make one if no one else can do it ?

I don't understand the reference to the coin...I have logged all three caches and I bought the coin (silver colored) that was available at GS HQ.

[+bflentje]

4 hours ago, Max and 99 said:

I don't think hundreds are required. 

Without the requirement to show that others qualify for the challenge, it could turn into a "Here's my big accomplishment. I bet no one else can do what I did!"

 

Yeah, heaven forbid if a challenge was actually challenging.

Edited December 14, 2019 by bflentje

[+barefootjeff]

2 hours ago, bflentje said:

 

Yeah, heaven forbid if a challenge was actually challenging.

 

Try this one (GC5KEY1) .

[+fizzymagic]

7 hours ago, CHEZRASCALS said:

The Trifecta refers to a specific set of three geocache sites within the Pacific Northwest!  Attempting to complete the Trifecta is a popular goal of geocachers traveling to the Seattle/Portland area.  

The three geocaches considered as the Trifecta are the recently re-discovered Project A.P.E. cache container (GC1169), the Original Stash Tribute Plaque (GCGV0P) and the Geocaching Headquarters (GCK25B).

 

Find all 3 as per project - gc checker - 

Your challenge violates the guideline preventing challenges to list a set of specific caches that must be found.  Read the guidelines and it should be obvious.  The fact that you didn't even  understand which guideline it violated does not speak well of your having read and understood the guidelines.

 

The rejection had nothing to do with the number of cachers who could achieve the challenge.

[+DerDiedler]

8 hours ago, CHEZRASCALS said:

 

I am finding it really hard to set a challenge cache unless i can prove hundreds can also claim a find already ?

Hmmmm..... like GC4Y977? 1000 T5 Challenge?

Why not making a challenge challenging?

 

[+arisoft]

9 hours ago, CHEZRASCALS said:

At GCHQ you can buy the coin - so why make one if no one else can do it ?

 

You can buy the coin whether you have found those caches or not. Similarly, you can make a new cache with the same theme to celebrate your achievement.

Here are some examples for you https://www.geocaching.com/play/search?kw=unchallenge

 

[+hzoi]

On 12/13/2019 at 11:14 PM, CHEZRASCALS said:

The Trifecta refers to a specific set of three geocache sites within the Pacific Northwest!  Attempting to complete the Trifecta is a popular goal of geocachers traveling to the Seattle/Portland area.  

The three geocaches considered as the Trifecta are the recently re-discovered Project A.P.E. cache container (GC1169), the Original Stash Tribute Plaque (GCGV0P) and the Geocaching Headquarters (GCK25B).

 

you can buy the coin to celebrate your signing the logs on all three,  but you are not able to set a challenge for others to do the same

 

Just because there is a coin for something, does not mean it has to be a challenge cache.  And just because Groundspeak sells, or sold, a coin for the "Trifecta," does not make it a de facto recognition that this is valid criteria for a challenge cache.

 

Think of it more like a geotrail.  Geotrail organizers can have a coin, and a souvenir, for completing caches in a geotrail.  And I suppose they could have a "series bonus" cache for finding all of the geotrail caches.  But they can't make a "challenge cache" for doing so, because that would require finding a specific list of caches, and you can't do that anymore.

Edited December 18, 2019 by hzoi

[+Dread_Pirate_Bruce]

What is the sense of proposing a challenge for those who have already met the challenge?

 

Give me a fun task to do and I'll do it. 

 

Tellng ng me to look at all the caches in be found to see if I've done something  is not interesting to me.

[+MNTA]

On 12/13/2019 at 2:14 PM, CHEZRASCALS said:

The Trifecta refers to a specific set of three geocache sites within the Pacific Northwest!  Attempting to complete the Trifecta is a popular goal of geocachers traveling to the Seattle/Portland area.  

The three geocaches considered as the Trifecta are the recently re-discovered Project A.P.E. cache container (GC1169), the Original Stash Tribute Plaque (GCGV0P) and the Geocaching Headquarters (GCK25B).

 

you can buy the coin to celebrate your signing the logs on all three,  but you are not able to set a challenge for others to do the same

 

-

 

I am finding it really hard to set a challenge cache unless i can prove hundreds can also claim a find already ?

 

what is the point of setting a  challenge if you have to prove so many can already claim a find ?

 

 

 

I qualify, but definitely have it easier than most. Folks live in Seattle and used to live in Portland.

 

Putting in a plug for GC17 over GC12 or GC16. GC17 on a clear day has a wonderful view of Mount Hood. The others are just walks in the forest.

 

ideas to get approved

1) Two of your three are the top favorited caches in Oregon and Washington.  

- GCK25B is #1 in Washington & GCGV0P is #1 in Oregon 

 

2) Use the unique cache types, find a HQ type, ape type (yes 2 will qualify here)

3) This might have been grandfathered but have seen a challenge that used the original stash souvenir. You could try the ape one as well.

 

Ironic that I was planning on signing this challenge today: The Emerald Trifecta Challenge GC84VVV

[+Clongo_Rongo]

1 hour ago, MNTA said:

 

I qualify, but definitely have it easier than most. Folks live in Seattle and used to live in Portland.

 

Putting in a plug for GC17 over GC12 or GC16. GC17 on a clear day has a wonderful view of Mount Hood. The others are just walks in the forest.

 

 

Yes, you are right about the views, its one of my regrets that I did not go for GC16, while there

 

but will be back again next year after doing Mingo