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21 hours ago, TeamRabbitRun said:

Please don't misunderstand my last post (I just reread it).

I'm affirming that if I don't have a pen and therefore can't sign the log, I can't and don't log it as found. That was baked into my story.  My point was that it's wrong to dismiss people because they don't have a pen. Many posters have essentially said that they just shake-their-head-don't-understand people who find themselves without a pen.

But, it happens!

My attitude is a feeling of knowing commiseration: too bad you don't have a pen; I feel for you. Been there myself. (Just this past Saturday!) Don't claim it. Not coming back this way? Wow, that makes it worse, but it doesn't change it. Don't claim it.

 

It's happened to me too, after over 11 years playing.   In my case, I only discovered that I didn't have a pen after I had boarded a train in Belgium destined for Luxembourg.  There was a cache very close to the train station in the town in Luxembourg where I was staying overnight but the first thing I did was to find a grocery store that sold pens.    I found a grocery store but they didn't have any pens or pencils for sell, but the proprietor loaned me one for a couple of days. 

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11 minutes ago, NYPaddleCacher said:

<...> the proprietor loaned me one for a couple of days. 

 

Love it.

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1 hour ago, TeamRabbitRun said:

 

Love it.

 

I think I found five caches and dropped the pen off at the store before going to the train station and heading back to Belgium.

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5 minutes ago, NYPaddleCacher said:

 

I think I found five caches and dropped the pen off at the store before going to the train station and heading back to Belgium.

 

When away from home I tend to take the provided pen/notebook with me when supplied by the hotel. In our Icelandic hotel in March the clerk gave us 3 pens with rubber tip (for touchscreens). I can't remember the last time we had to buy pens although we have a 50 pen box as backup in the hobby room (or man cave).

 

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10 hours ago, dprovan said:

I don't understand. If they post a photograph but don't ask in advance, you're going to delete the log just because they didn't ask permission? Seems kinda controlling.

 

In my experience, geocachers are sincere, so it would never occur to me to automatically assume they didn't find the cache when they said they didn't have a pen. Are you taking this stance because you don't believe them or because you want to enforce the rules strictly?

No, I probably wouldn't delete them if they supplied a photograph. I should have written 'should' instead of 'need'. That's the polite thing to do, and what I have always done before logging in those circumstances. I have on one occasion then logged when the CO never responded. Some people's idea of proof though is a photograph of the scene, not of the cache, which doesn't prove they actually found the cache.

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Ooops I did it again, I´ve forgot my pen in the car. I´ve then "logged" the initials of my nickname with stripes of swag stickers and uploaded a photo of my log along with the online log.

Legit enough?

 

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45 minutes ago, DerDiedler said:

Ooops I did it again, I´ve forgot my pen in the car. I´ve then "logged" the initials of my nickname with stripes of swag stickers and uploaded a photo of my log along with the online log.

Legit enough?

Would be, if I were the CO :).

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I am in the process of deleting 7 Found It logs by one cacher as a check has revealed he has not signed any of them. One log mentioned he did not have a pen but none of the others had any mention of this and had one word logs such as "Nice" and a two word log "Found It".

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3 minutes ago, colleda said:

I am in the process of deleting 7 Found It logs by one cacher as a check has revealed he has not signed any of them. One log mentioned he did not have a pen but none of the others had any mention of this and had one word logs such as "Nice" and a two word log "Found It".

Forgot to mention. I cannot contact this person as his account has never been validated.

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1 minute ago, colleda said:

I am in the process of deleting 7 Found It logs by one cacher as a check has revealed he has not signed any of them. One log mentioned he did not have a pen but none of the others had any mention of this and had one word logs such as "Nice" and a two word log "Found It".

I photograph the logs and then add the photograph as part of my maintenance log. I usually (depends) send a message to the logger and ask them to please point out their signature, as I can't see it. In a week's time (as I imagine it will be this time) you haven't received a reply, then delete it. But as they claimed 7 finds without any signatures, I would be tempted to delete them straight away. It's understandable (maybe) to forget a pen for one cache, but seven! That smacks of arm chair logger to me.

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4 minutes ago, colleda said:

Forgot to mention. I cannot contact this person as his account has never been validated.

I wrote my reply before I saw this. Armchair logger...delete!

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- I want to join your hockey game.
- Welcome! Where's your stick?
- I forgot it.
- But you need one.
- What if I just take a selfie with the puck and the gates?
- Sorry, you need a hockey stick to play hockey.
- How can you be so unsympathetic? Hockey is for fun. It's not about sticks. Anyone can forget their stick. Or loose it. Or break it...
- We've got our guidelines...
- Guidelines? Guidelines? Yesterday I played tennis. They also had their guidelines. And I forgot my racket. And nevertheless I won the game. Here's my golden cup. See?

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17 hours ago, Goldenwattle said:

I wrote my reply before I saw this. Armchair logger...delete!

A lazy cacher methinks. Has been a member for a few years with only 8 finds, 7 of them mine all done within a few days. The non colleda cache was one I found recently and it wasn't signed either.

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1 hour ago, -CJ- said:

- Sorry, you need a hockey stick to play hockey.

Well, technically, you can keep playing without a stick. And it happens sometimes, albeit briefly. When a player breaks a stick, they have to drop it. Then they play without a stick until they can get another stick from the bench, or until they end their shift.

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37 minutes ago, niraD said:

Well, technically, you can keep playing without a stick. And it happens sometimes, albeit briefly. When a player breaks a stick, they have to drop it. Then they play without a stick until they can get another stick from the bench, or until they end their shift.

Until they join the game without a stick EVERY time.

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3 hours ago, niraD said:

Well, technically, you can keep playing without a stick. And it happens sometimes, albeit briefly. When a player breaks a stick, they have to drop it. Then they play without a stick until they can get another stick from the bench, or until they end their shift.

 

2 hours ago, on4bam said:

Until they join the game without a stick EVERY time.

Somewhere between these two quotes lies the answer

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5 hours ago, justintim1999 said:
8 hours ago, niraD said:

Well, technically, you can keep playing without a stick. And it happens sometimes, albeit briefly. When a player breaks a stick, they have to drop it. Then they play without a stick until they can get another stick from the bench, or until they end their shift.

 

7 hours ago, on4bam said:

Until they join the game without a stick EVERY time.

Somewhere between these two quotes lies the answer

Yeah, and more seriously, I think the analogy to geocachers having a pen works pretty well.

 

If someone always shows up without a pen/stick, then they aren't really prepared to play the game.

 

If something happens to your pen/stick, then it's okay to keep going without it until you can get another.

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On 5/13/2019 at 2:35 AM, -CJ- said:

- I want to join your hockey game.
- Welcome! Where's your stick?
- I forgot it.
- But you need one.
- What if I just take a selfie with the puck and the gates?
- Sorry, you need a hockey stick to play hockey.
- How can you be so unsympathetic? Hockey is for fun. It's not about sticks. Anyone can forget their stick. Or loose it. Or break it...

 

- okay, okay.  You can play without a stick.  You can be the goalie.

 

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18 hours ago, niraD said:

 

 

If something happens to your pen/stick, then it's okay to keep going without it until you can get another.

 

This happens fairly often if someone breaks their stick or the goalie gets their stick knocked away.  Another player can loan their stick to the goalie and the player without a stick can continue to play by kicking the puck (but can't score that way) and hit opposing players.   Whenever, an opposing player loses a stick against the Cornell University team, the crowd starts up a "stickless,  stickless" chant until the players either leaves the ice or gets another stick.    Maybe we should start something like that for geocachers that "forgot my pen".

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19 hours ago, niraD said:

Yeah, and more seriously, I think the analogy to geocachers having a pen works pretty well.

 

If someone always shows up without a pen/stick, then they aren't really prepared to play the game.

 

If something happens to your pen/stick, then it's okay to keep going without it until you can get another.

The forest is Littered with pens and pencils I've lost over the years.  I have a habit of slipping them  under the edge of my hat which I can't seem to break. 

 

The following is not a response to the OP's situation but only my thoughts on the subject of not having a pen.    

 

I understand the importance of the guidelines and I agree we should all do our best and try and follow them.   I get a little worried when I hear of logs being summarily deleted if for no other reason then the guidelines say you should.   In some cases logs should be deleted.   Before I'd even consider taking that step I'd personally want to be sure it was justified and I wasn't deleting the log of a good cacher who really did just loose their pen.      Since I believe that people are inherently good,  it isn't hard to pull the wool over my eyes so I'm sure over the years a few cachers have gotten away with an undeserved smiley.  I'm equally sure some really did loose their pen and in those cases I'm glad I choose to bend guidelines a little.      

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29 minutes ago, justintim1999 said:

The forest is Littered with pens and pencils I've lost over the years.  I have a habit of slipping them  under the edge of my hat which I can't seem to break. 

 

The following is not a response to the OP's situation but only my thoughts on the subject of not having a pen.    

 

I understand the importance of the guidelines and I agree we should all do our best and try and follow them.   I get a little worried when I hear of logs being summarily deleted if for no other reason then the guidelines say you should.   In some cases logs should be deleted.   Before I'd even consider taking that step I'd personally want to be sure it was justified and I wasn't deleting the log of a good cacher who really did just loose their pen.      Since I believe that people are inherently good,  it isn't hard to pull the wool over my eyes so I'm sure over the years a few cachers have gotten away with an undeserved smiley.  I'm equally sure some really did loose their pen and in those cases I'm glad I choose to bend guidelines a little.      

It when the same person loses their pen EVERY time they go caching. I've come upon that.

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1 hour ago, Goldenwattle said:

It when the same person loses their pen EVERY time they go caching. I've come upon that.

I agree.   There are situations where deleting a log or find is necessary.       

 

I'm only suggesting it be done after careful consideration and not as a matter of course.   

 

 A note to those reading this that cache in the Massachusetts area.    If you don't have something to write with when you've found the log book  just look around.  There's a good chance you'll find one of the pen or pencils I've lost in the general area. :D

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8 hours ago, justintim1999 said:

 A note to those reading this that cache in the Massachusetts area.    If you don't have something to write with when you've found the log book  just look around.  There's a good chance you'll find one of the pen or pencils I've lost in the general area. :D

I'm almost the opposite. I can't count the number of times I have walked away with the pen/pencil from the cache. I always go back and return it. A few times I have seen caches with a bunch of golf pencils in them, perhaps for forgetful folk?

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5 hours ago, colleda said:

I'm almost the opposite. I can't count the number of times I have walked away with the pen/pencil from the cache. I always go back and return it. A few times I have seen caches with a bunch of golf pencils in them, perhaps for forgetful folk?

 

Just today I did a routine visit to one of my more remote caches (about an hour and a half of hiking with a couple of hundred metres elevation change). Everything was fine, as expected, including its pencil sharpener, but the pencil had gone missing (it's not one you've visited though). Luckily I always carry replacement pencils when I go out checking my caches.

 

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6 hours ago, barefootjeff said:

 

Just today I did a routine visit to one of my more remote caches (about an hour and a half of hiking with a couple of hundred metres elevation change). Everything was fine, as expected, including its pencil sharpener, but the pencil had gone missing (it's not one you've visited though). Luckily I always carry replacement pencils when I go out checking my caches.

 

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I must confess I have a separate bag full of all sorts of items I take when making a cache maintenance run.   In fact I have two bags as one of my series requires a whole different set of items and tools that would be needed to fix issues.   It took several trips back and forth from my caches to realize this would save me a lot of time.   It would save me even more time if I could remember to re-stock the bags. :mad:   For some strange reason pencils and pens I originally place in caches seem to last.   Maybe I should start putting three or for of them in each cache so people who've forgotten or lost theirs can take one. :)  

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Yeah, I had someone log one of mine during the "hidden creatures" event last year.  It was the last day to find them, and the cacher signed about 20 that way, ie, did not have a pen or pencil.  This was on the 3rd day of their attempt to get enough to get all souvenirs, so I highly doubt they actually found any of them..  Said they would go back and sign shortly, so I asked what that time span was.  Response was "a couple of days".  I checked mine a month later and it was not signed, so deleted the log.

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That's happened to me a couple of times.

 

One time I walked through a muddy construction site during the night to find a cache but then realized I left my pen in the car. I walked all the way back and walked all the way back to the cache.

 

Another time I remembered to put a pen in my shirt pocket but as I was bending down it probably came off. When I found the cache my pen was nowhere to be found 😢 but luckily there was a pencil in the cache container.

 

Another time I was dropping off a client's vehicle at their work place and just happened to be a cache there. I didn't have any of my stuff, I left my pen in his car too so I had to take pictures to prove I found it. From now on I try to keep 2 pens in my car.

 

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Thank you all who quoted that hockey piece :) 

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