vulture1957 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 from the category: "Waymarking tours (WayTours) are short, guided tours of towns. These are for any visitors to a town who want an "insider's look" of where to go, what to see, and what to do. Expanded Description: WayTours should have a set of starting coordinates, and then guide the visitor (either with directions or other coordinates) to a few essential places in the town. There should be about five stops, and each place should be something that gives the town part of its identity. The idea is to show the visitor the best, most fun, and most interesting sites and areas a town has to offer. Please note, these need to be set up for self-guided tours, so that a Waymarker can do it with nothing but their GPSr and the Waymark page. Guided tours should be posted in the "Geocaching Tour Guides" category. Instructions for Posting a Waymark Tours (WayTours) Waymark: You must post a set of starting coordinates and a picture taken at at least one of the stops. Also, you must include coordinates or explicit directions to the rest of the stops on the tour. Remember, the people taking your tour don't know the area as well as you do!" I was thinking that if it was a Waymarking tour, all the stops would be waymarks. But the description does not say that, and a quick look at some of the posted WayTours shows some that have all stops that are waymarks, and others that aren't. I there someone here that is a reviewer for this category that could enlighten me? Is this so we can add a place that doesn't have a category to our Waymarking, or should all stops be waymarks? (If they aren't waymarks, then it's just a self-guided tour.) 2 Quote Link to comment
+Alfouine Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Lumbricus is the only active officer of the group, so you can ask him directly. I published in this category, and i put waymarks in the stop coordinates variable and the reason is easy, i took an exemple of a waymark approved and there is waymarks in the variable, if i found location names with coordinates, i would write location names with coordinates So i think you can write either waymarks or location names with coordinates in the stop coordinates variable. Quote Link to comment
+T0SHEA Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) I've done a few of these but simply assumed that all stops were to be Waymarks. Guess I didn't read the requirements carefully enough. My assumption was that Waymarking tours (WayTours) were intended to be tours of Waymarked spots in the town in question. It never once occurred to me that it would be otherwise. Silly me. As a result, I suppose, I went way overboard on my first (oops - it was actually my second one) Waytour and included 27+ stops. The upside, though, was that it became a Featured Waymark! I agree with Alfouine, though. It looks like they all don't have to be Waymarks, so if you're planning on doing one, it seems you're free to add whatever will enhance the Waymark. Keith Edited December 22, 2018 by BK-Hunters Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 originally, I was thinking it was like a Lucky 7, just no requirement to be within the distance and they do not have to be from different categories. Then, I noticed that, unlike Lucky 7, the waymarks do not have to be yours, and even that there was no requirement for them to be waymarks. I am looking at making 2 or 3 WayTours, all on different themes around the OKC area. (Theme, like one could be, but isn't, Smithsonian Sculptures - an idea for Max and 99.) And B-K, that is a really nice waymark! 55 minutes ago, BK-Hunters said: it was actually my second one) Waytour and included 27+ stops. Quote Link to comment
+T0SHEA Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Why Thank You! It must have taken about 4 hours to put that one together. Keith Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 I'm just going back thru the General Waymarking Discussions (while on COVID house arrest) and decided that I should do an update on this thread. Sine 2018, I have posted 2 Way Tours. I find it an interesting category. The stops don't have to be waymarks, but if they are, they need not be yours. When doing them under a theme, they can be quite an exercise in research, and then getting pictures and doing a good write-up. Most people can be very proud of their accomplishment when posting one of these. My waymarks are: WMZRW7 and WM11G9K Quote Link to comment
+Max and 99 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, vulture1957 said: I'm just going back thru the General Waymarking Discussions (while on COVID house arrest) and decided that I should do an update on this thread. Sine 2018, I have posted 2 Way Tours. I find it an interesting category. The stops don't have to be waymarks, but if they are, they need not be yours. When doing them under a theme, they can be quite an exercise in research, and then getting pictures and doing a good write-up. Most people can be very proud of their accomplishment when posting one of these. My waymarks are: WMZRW7 and WM11G9K Your waytours are great! The Brewstour is genius! I don't know HTML so my last waytour was declined. Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Max and 99 said: Your waytours are great! The Brewstour is genius! I don't know HTML so my last waytour was declined. Thanks. and I can help if you want to re-do your submission. Edited March 28, 2020 by vulture1957 Quote Link to comment
+Max and 99 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Just now, vulture1957 said: I can help My husband can help too, but I like doing the waymarks myself. But thank you! I appreciate the offer. Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 1:00 PM, Max and 99 said: My husband can help too, but I like doing the waymarks myself. But thank you! I appreciate the offer. I think the only HTML you need is the <br> attribute to put a break (carriage return) in the listing to get each stop on it's own line. Quote Link to comment
+Max and 99 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, vulture1957 said: I think the only HTML you need is the <br> attribute to put a break (carriage return) in the listing to get each stop on it's own line. That's helpful! Thank you. Quote Link to comment
+iconions Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I'm glad this topic popped up. I've been going through old pictures to see what waymarks I have missed or there are new categories for. In fifteen years, you can't imagine the number of waymarks I am finding that I can post. Anyway, I think I have an interesting Waytour to publish since this topic is now en vogue. It looks like it is going to be this evening's project. Any bets on the over/under on the number of times I'm going to hafta resubmit? Friendly wager, of course. Man, I wish I had better HTML skills! Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, iconions said: I'm glad this topic popped up. I've been going through old pictures to see what waymarks I have missed or there are new categories for. In fifteen years, you can't imagine the number of waymarks I am finding that I can post. Anyway, I think I have an interesting Waytour to publish since this topic is now en vogue. It looks like it is going to be this evening's project. Any bets on the over/under on the number of times I'm going to hafta resubmit? Friendly wager, of course. Man, I wish I had better HTML skills! I only use a few HTML tags for mine. I have a script that I "stole" from another page, changed the colors and border width, now I copy/paste to all my new waymarks. Then, while working in that script, I'll use <br> (Break), <p> (paragraph or break with extra return), and the <blockquote> </blockquote> for plaque wording. I guess I could use Bold and Italic for stuff, but I haven't seen a real need yet. Edited May 2, 2020 by vulture1957 1 Quote Link to comment
+iconions Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 hour ago, vulture1957 said: I only use a few HTML tags for mine. I have a script that I "stole" from another page, changed the colors and border width, now I copy/paste to all my new waymarks. Then, while working in that script, I'll use <br> (Break), <p> (paragraph or break with extra return), and the <blockquote> </blockquote> for plaque wording. I guess I could use Bold and Italic for stuff, but I haven't seen a real need yet. Yea, I'm stealing / borrowing the base code. I figure the person/s I'm stealing from will take it as a compliment, right Keith???? Some of it, though, I'm doing from trial and error. I'm an software support person, darn it - we make fun of the people who actually code, not actually get our hands dirty with the stuff!!! I'm with you, though, vulture1957, I have a normal blockquote I do with another set of HTML for plaques. I have been known to actual work a table to get a plaque to look just right. This one, though, I just want it to look RIGHT... Quote Link to comment
+iconions Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 hour ago, vulture1957 said: I only use a few HTML tags for mine. I have a script that I "stole" from another page, changed the colors and border width, now I copy/paste to all my new waymarks. Then, while working in that script, I'll use <br> (Break), <p> (paragraph or break with extra return), and the <blockquote> </blockquote> for plaque wording. I guess I could use Bold and Italic for stuff, but I haven't seen a real need yet. BTW... I REALLY like the way your OKC breweries waytour turned out - I'm using it as a base template to make sure that I get said what I need to get said, speaking of stealing. Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, iconions said: BTW... I REALLY like the way your OKC breweries waytour turned out - I'm using it as a base template to make sure that I get said what I need to get said, speaking of stealing. Thanks! And use what you want. No sense in re-inventing the wheel.Let me know the Waymark Code so I can see it, when you have gotten it pretty much set. 1 Quote Link to comment
+Max and 99 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, vulture1957 said: Thanks! And use what you want. No sense in re-inventing the wheel.Let me know the Waymark Code so I can see it, when you have gotten it pretty much set. I thought of your brew waytour tonight when I purchased my ticket for the Oklahoma craft beer summit. Quote Link to comment
+iconions Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, vulture1957 said: Thanks! And use what you want. No sense in re-inventing the wheel.Let me know the Waymark Code so I can see it, when you have gotten it pretty much set. I wish I still drink - I may need a beer or six after beating on this. Stupid migraines! Thanks for the support on this - yea, it isn't going to be a one line commercial waymark for sure... I'm already two hours in and only 1 waymark posted - Sheesh! Quote Link to comment
+iconions Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 2 hours ago, iconions said: I wish I still drink - I may need a beer or six after beating on this. Stupid migraines! Thanks for the support on this - yea, it isn't going to be a one line commercial waymark for sure... I'm already two hours in and only 1 waymark posted - Sheesh! Five Hours on one waymark... I guess I'm not trying for number this evening! Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, iconions said: Five Hours on one waymark... I guess I'm not trying for number this evening! how many waymarks on the tour? OK, I see it's already published. I thought you spent 5 hours on just the first waymark of the first stop! As there are 35 waymarks on this tour, that would be a looooong time making waymarks! I think I'll have to get competent with the <IMG> stuff nd get some pictures in my waymarks. It would add to my way tour. Edited May 2, 2020 by vulture1957 saw the published wy tour Quote Link to comment
+iconions Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 2 hours ago, vulture1957 said: how many waymarks on the tour? OK, I see it's already published. I thought you spent 5 hours on just the first waymark of the first stop! As there are 35 waymarks on this tour, that would be a looooong time making waymarks! I think I'll have to get competent with the <IMG> stuff nd get some pictures in my waymarks. It would add to my way tour. Six waymark Stops on the actual tour, but each stop has a minimum of 3 waymark categories on the actual site and as many as eight. I wanted to make sure that if someone took the time to do the waytour, they at least had the chance to get all of the visits! It took five hours total on the complete writeup - just an hour to writeup the first stop. You have no idea how many revisions I went through to get it to look like that! I do know that I'm glad I had your template for the background as it saved me many hours of reading and trying to figure it out! Hence the big thank you to you, Barb, and Keith at the bottom of the waymark for the html coding help. the pictures were actually really the easy part, I was able to look that up on the intrawebs and test. They came out great. Now, making the actual Waytour kinda sorta look like the brochure I had in my head, that was tough part!. Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 32 minutes ago, iconions said: Six waymark Stops on the actual tour, but each stop has a minimum of 3 waymark categories on the actual site and as many as eight. I wanted to make sure that if someone took the time to do the waytour, they at least had the chance to get all of the visits! It took five hours total on the complete writeup - just an hour to writeup the first stop. You have no idea how many revisions I went through to get it to look like that! I do know that I'm glad I had your template for the background as it saved me many hours of reading and trying to figure it out! Hence the big thank you to you, Barb, and Keith at the bottom of the waymark for the html coding help. the pictures were actually really the easy part, I was able to look that up on the intrawebs and test. They came out great. Now, making the actual Waytour kinda sorta look like the brochure I had in my head, that was tough part!. Well, I think the time was well spent. It looks very good. And the history included is very interesting. I grew up in NE Illinois, and Grant always got overshadowed in history lessons by Lincoln. So I am glad that you took the time to do this. Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Your Waytours are pretty impressive, Lee - BUT - and I'm not trying to be critical here, just helpful - the beer tour could be much cleaner if you were to do this: Starting with the first stop: We start at Stonecloud Brewing, 1012 NW 1st St just north of Reno on Classen, Look for the Sunshine Cleaners neon sign (Waymark Code: WMWFXX) over the building. Parking on the west side and along the streets.<p> Do this instead: We start at <a target="_blank" HREF="https://stonecloudbrewing.com" title="Open in new tab" style="text-decoration:none">Stonecloud Brewing</a>, 1012 NW 1st St just north of Reno on Classen, Look for the Sunshine Cleaners neon sign (Waymark Code: WMWFXX) over the building. Parking on the west side and along the streets.<br><br> Etc, etc, for each stop. (I now use the <br><br> to avoid the site's [or the browser's, not sure which] having to enter all the </p>s at the end. Not sure much is gained, because each <br> is changed to the more XML compatible <br />.) Then you can eliminate the section below with the URLs. By itself, the code is: <a target="_blank" HREF="URL" title="Open in new tab" style="text-decoration:none">NAME</a> Everyone else is welcome to use this simple snippet, too. It's not as though I came up with it. If anyone else wants a bit of help, just ask. Oh, and you're welcome for that code you "stole", Lee. Happy to help! Keith Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, ScroogieII said: Your Waytours are pretty impressive, Lee - BUT - and I'm not trying to be critical here, just helpful - the beer tour could be much cleaner if you were to do this: Starting with the first stop: We start at Stonecloud Brewing, 1012 NW 1st St just north of Reno on Classen, Look for the Sunshine Cleaners neon sign (Waymark Code: WMWFXX) over the building. Parking on the west side and along the streets.<p> Do this instead: We start at <a target="_blank" HREF="https://stonecloudbrewing.com" title="Open in new tab" style="text-decoration:none">Stonecloud Brewing</a>, 1012 NW 1st St just north of Reno on Classen, Look for the Sunshine Cleaners neon sign (Waymark Code: WMWFXX) over the building. Parking on the west side and along the streets.<br><br> Keith OK, I finally got that done, and checked out to make sure the links worked. I left a little of the last part on there to have the waymark codes for the breweries (that first code on Stonecloud is for the sign, not the brewery.) I think it would be too confusing to put the codes in the write-up. Maybe not. I can check it out again later, and I may put them in. I'm still thinking about putting pictures in the long description. Thanks for the help. Lee Edited May 7, 2020 by vulture1957 Quote Link to comment
+iconions Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, vulture1957 said: OK, I finally got that done, and checked out to make sure the links worked. I left a little of the last part on there to have the waymark codes for the breweries (that first code on Stonecloud is for the sign, not the brewery.) I think it would be too confusing to put the codes in the write-up. Maybe not. I can check it out again later, and I may put them in. I'm still thinking about putting pictures in the long description. Thanks for the help. Lee It looks really good - links work great. Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, iconions said: It looks really good - links work great. some of them don't work as a secure link, so I had to change Https:// to Http://. Without using the http part, I kept getting a "We don't know that waymark" error, whatever that is about. I guess it was trying to look up the link on Waymarking.com. Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, vulture1957 said: I think it would be too confusing to put the codes in the write-up. Maybe not. I can check it out again later, and I may put them in. I'm still thinking about putting pictures in the long description. Looking good, Lee!! If we look at the first stop: We start at <a target="_blank" HREF="https://stonecloudbrewing.com" title="Open in new tab" style="text-decoration:none;">Stonecloud Brewing</a>, 1012 NW 1st St just north of Reno on Classen, Look for the Sunshine Cleaners neon sign (Waymark Code: <a target="_blank" HREF="https://www.Waymarking.com/waymarks/wmWFXX_Sunshine_Cleaners_Oklahoma_City_OK" title="Open in new tab" style="text-decoration:none">WMWFXX</a>) over the building. Parking on the west side and along the streets. (I suggest the Novelty Theory, Barleywine). <p> This, to me, makes for the cleanest Waymark, with no need on the part of the viewer to scroll down, copy a link then paste it on the "Home" page to check out the Wm. Keith Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, vulture1957 said: I'm still thinking about putting pictures in the long description. Gimme a shout if you want to do that, IE floating pics to the left or right, stuff like that. It's really easy, actually. Keith Quote Link to comment
+Max and 99 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 38 minutes ago, ScroogieII said: Then one could do something like this: Unfortunately, to keep the downtown ones from stacking up, we can't include the outliers. The Map Keith Stonecloud needs an adjustment. Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, vulture1957 said: I'm still thinking about putting pictures in the long description. For some suggestions check out This Waymark The pic is one of yours so it represents the aspect ratio of most/all of your pix. The background is supposed to represent foam on the top and beer on the bottom. The colours prolly need a bit of tweaking. Cancel that for now - I was playing with it and the colors are busted for now. Cancel that, too. I put a background pic on the test WM. It's just a suggestion - definitely needs tweaking. Keith Edited May 7, 2020 by ScroogieII Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Max and 99 said: Stonecloud needs an adjustment. In what way? Oh, I think I see what you mean now. I had to move it and Prairie Artisan a touch because they were pretty much on top of each other. AND I just saw that there are 2 Stoneclouds. I can always remake the map. Edited May 7, 2020 by ScroogieII Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) I deleted the first map rather than try to replace it. I always have trouble with images here. It's hard to make a legible map which includes the outliers, so they're not on this one. The Map This should explain the problem well enough. Edited May 7, 2020 by ScroogieII Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) Well, there are 7 new brewpubs in town! my question -- should I make up Beer Tour #2, or add them to the original way tour? I'm leaning to make another way tour, so Max and 99 has a reason to visit them, as she's already posted the visit for the first tour. Edited January 25, 2021 by wayfrog small edit Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 On 5/7/2020 at 4:42 AM, ScroogieII said: I deleted the first map rather than try to replace it. I always have trouble with images here. It's hard to make a legible map which includes the outliers, so they're not on this one. The Map This should explain the problem well enough. so how do I put this map into my waymark? I tried, but it just put a link to the map, not display the map. (and I need to work on doing the pictures on there, too.) Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) What I do is upload a screenshot of the map to the gallery and use that (remember to go full screen in Flopp's Maps, then size the map appropriately, before taking the screen shot). On the page, I use the map pic as a link to the actual Flopp's Maps map. Check out the code at this Lucky 7. BTW, I use tinyurl.com because the Flopp's Maps URLs are a bit big. <A target="_blank" HREF="https://tinyurl.com/yyp3gj4y" title="To Flopp's Maps"><img src="http://img.Groundspeak.com/Waymarking/1bde0785-5a91-41d0-a3af-94555cdec5c4.jpg" alt="Map goes Here" style="width:85%;border-radius:20px;box-shadow:10px 10px 5px #888888;display:block;margin:20px auto;" /></A> BTW, when looking at this Lucky 7, do you see the map and the pic on the page below it? Pix in my Waymarks haven't been rendering in Chrome here for months now, so I tried Firefox. Initially, pix rendered normally, but today, NO PIX in Firefox either, just the links. It's almost time to start pulling my hair out!!! Just looked at a Lucky 7 done by Sharon. Her pix are all there and she's using some of MY OLD CODE!!!. Sob, sob... Keith UPDATE: Restarted Firefox in safe mode and all the pix on the first of my old WMs I tried appeared, as well as the pretty gold frame!!! Now I just have to figger out why. Any ideas out there in the techie world? At present I'm at a loss. It doesn't seem that the cause should be an add on, as the problem was initially brought to my attention by Barb and I doubt she uses any of the add-ons that I do. I guess for now I'll just stay in Safe Mode and play around with various things. Now, to try the same with Chrome. UPDATE: Tried the same with Chrome (Chrome calls it "Incognito Mode") and NO GO. Edited December 30, 2020 by ScroogieII Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) On 12/27/2020 at 7:36 AM, vulture1957 said: Well, there are 7 new brewpubs in town! my question -- should I make up Beer Tour #2, or add them to the original way tour? I'm leaning to make another way tour, so Max and 99 has a reason to visit them, as she's already posted the visit for the first tour. Naturally, if you do a new one you gets another WM for your troubles, and the "D" gets another visit. Edited January 25, 2021 by wayfrog small edit Quote Link to comment
vulture1957 Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 12/29/2020 at 4:04 PM, ScroogieII said: BTW, when looking at this Lucky 7, do you see the map and the pic on the page below it? Pix in my Waymarks haven't been rendering in Chrome here for months now, so I tried Firefox. Initially, pix rendered normally, but today, NO PIX in Firefox either, just the links. It's almost time to start pulling my hair out!!! Just looked at a Lucky 7 done by Sharon. Her pix are all there and she's using some of MY OLD CODE!!!. Sob, sob... Keith UPDATE: Restarted Firefox in safe mode and all the pix on the first of my old WMs I tried appeared, as well as the pretty gold frame!!! Now I just have to figger out why. Any ideas out there in the techie world? At present I'm at a loss. It doesn't seem that the cause should be an add on, as the problem was initially brought to my attention by Barb and I doubt she uses any of the add-ons that I do. I guess for now I'll just stay in Safe Mode and play around with various things. Now, to try the same with Chrome. UPDATE: Tried the same with Chrome (Chrome calls it "Incognito Mode") and NO GO. Everything looks good here. Map and pic of the log building show up fine. Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 7:39 PM, vulture1957 said: Everything looks good here. Map and pic of the log building show up fine. It's OK. I finally figured out the reason for the problem. I posted it in another thread: I quote: "Actually, installing 64 bit Chrome didn't do the trick. After giving up and reverting to Firefox, I went back and played with Chrome again, finally discovering that in Privacy and security/Site Settings/Permissions/Additional permissions/Pop-ups and redirects, if I allowed "popups and redirects" for the Waymarking domain (https://www.Waymarking.com) all the images were presented normally. BTW, Firefox also began refusing to include pix on the page. It turned out that was caused by Ghostery, an ad blocker extension I had added." With Chrome, since the pix on the page were stored in another domain, IE Groundspeak.com, Chrome considered my links to them to be redirects and didn't allow them. Don't know why it took me so long to figure that out. Must be an age thing... Quote Link to comment
+PISA-caching Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I was looking at some of the categories I don't have WM in yet and one of them is "Waymark Tours (WayTours)". I've read the category description and most of this thread, but I want to question the following: On 3/28/2020 at 6:54 PM, vulture1957 said: The stops don't have to be waymarks, but if they are, they need not be yours. I have a few ideas for waytours, but most of the time, there are interesting spots that I want to include in the tour, but there are already WM for them by somebody else. So, it would be essential for me to know, if WM by somebody else are definitely forbidden for my own waytour. Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, PISA-caching said: I have a few ideas for waytours, but most of the time, there are interesting spots that I want to include in the tour, but there are already WM for them by somebody else. So, it would be essential for me to know, if WM by somebody else are definitely forbidden for my own waytour. Well, Andreas, Lee appears to be absolutely correct. My initial suggestion, however, would be that one remain within the unstated, yet understood by myself to be the spirit of the category's, guidelines wherein all Waymarks be owned by the poster of the Waytour. However, if Waymarks by others would substantially enhance the Waytour, for whatever reason(s), I would, nonetheless, consider their inclusion to be much more of a positive than a negative factor, and certainly not an instance of plagiarism. Given the following Expanded Description: of Waytours: WayTours should have a set of starting coordinates, and then guide the visitor (either with directions or other coordinates) to a few essential places in the town. There should be about five stops, and each place should be something that gives the town part of its identity. The idea is to show the visitor the best, most fun, and most interesting sites and areas a town has to offer, one must become of the mind that pretty much anything goes, particularly given that the Instructions for Posting a Waymark Tours (WayTours) Waymark fails to elaborate further on what exactly must constitute a Waytour stop. For myself, I have, and shall in the future, continue to post Waytours which include exclusively my own Waymarks, but, as related above, I do believe that extenuating circumstances may well, and rightfully so, allow others to guiltlessly include in their Waytours any and all material which they may consider beneficial to the quality, usefulness and overall benefit of their Waytour. So, Andreas, just as it was prior to your posting here, I truly believe it's your call. And now I look forward to seeing what you might create for us, assuming that much of the subject matter will be the Age Old City of Wien!!! Keith Edited March 1, 2022 by ScroogieII Quote Link to comment
+FamilieFrohne Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) Thanks for reminding me of this category. I must check, what interesting places can be turned into a waytour in my hometown .... On 5/2/2020 at 3:31 AM, iconions said: we make fun of the people who actually code, not actually get our hands dirty with the stuff!!! Well ... my fingers are already black with the sticky ones and zeroes, but at least I can use that to pay my rent ... not like this guy here Edited March 1, 2022 by FamilieFrohne 2 Quote Link to comment
+PISA-caching Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/1/2022 at 2:35 AM, ScroogieII said: And now I look forward to seeing what you might create for us, assuming that much of the subject matter will be the Age Old City of Wien!!! I thought about creating a waytour in my hometown Wien, Austria, but decided to first create one in Albania instead. Look at WM15W6D and (everybody) let me know what you think about it. Quote Link to comment
+Ariberna Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I like it, PISA Good work. Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, PISA-caching said: I thought about creating a waytour in my hometown Wien, Austria, but decided to first create one in Albania instead. Look at WM15W6D and (everybody) let me know what you think about it. For a first timer, it's a Truly Fine Waytour! Even if it was your fifteenth Waytour, it would still be a Truly Fine Waytour! It's just really well done, well laid out and well coded. In fact, the simple, effective manner in which it's coded could well serve as a template for others wishing to create beautifully presented Waytours. My only caveat would be that the WM codes would be redundant and superfluous, should you simply make each Waytour Stop Title a link. Again, as I mentioned to Lee above, dropping the WM codes while turning the Waytour Stop Titles into links makes for a much cleaner presentation while retaining the links to each Waytour Waymark. Also, making the map image itself a link to your map would be a nice touch, a bit more "professional". Well done, Andreas Edited March 11, 2022 by ScroogieII 1 Quote Link to comment
+PISA-caching Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Thanks for the feedback so far. As far as the WM codes I have to say, that I did that intentionally. One reason is: If I once create a waytour with a stop that is not yet a WM, I would have almost all the WM titles that are links and one that is not. In that case I would prefer to have all the titles in black font and only one title missing the WM code link behind it. Another reason is, with all the websites that I have done at work, we have always avoided to put links on headlines. It just doesn't seem right to me. Headlines are there to build a structure in the text. In other words they should make it easier for the user to determine, where one WM starts and where the next starts etc. (and that would be a little more difficult, if some titles are links and others are not) A link for the map is a good idea and I have done in all of my Lucky 7 WMs (don't know why I didn't do it for the waytour). However, instead of making the image a link I will add a text link to it. "redundant and superfluous" again you might say, but for some reason I prefer short text links to longer texts of even images, because they tend to be clicked unintentionally while scrolling through the text. And what about the length of the text? I thought about using a smaller font size and write some more text, but on the other hand, if one is interested in more informaiton of the specific WM one can still click on the WM code link. What do you think? Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 3:24 PM, PISA-caching said: And what about the length of the text? I thought about using a smaller font size and write some more text, but on the other hand, if one is interested in more information of the specific WM one can still click on the WM code link. What do you think? I agree with that approach. As for your other points, I do see your point, though I may not agree completely. In any event, it works, so why should we be trying to fix it? Keith Quote Link to comment
+iconions Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 On 3/1/2022 at 8:32 AM, FamilieFrohne said: Thanks for reminding me of this category. I must check, what interesting places can be turned into a waytour in my hometown .... Well ... my fingers are already black with the sticky ones and zeroes, but at least I can use that to pay my rent ... not like this guy here See, there are two kinds of people in this world... Coders... and the the poor slobs like me on the support desk that have to bear the slings and arrows from customers because of the "undocumented design features" introduced by coders. Just sayin' ... Quote Link to comment
+iconions Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 With my two waytours, I only used the waymarks I created. I did, however list all of the waymarks associated with the site - whether or not the waymark was mine. I felt like if someone was taking the time to follow this tour - it is only fair to cut the person some slack about what other waymarks they could get creditt. Quote Link to comment
+ScroogieII Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) On 4/6/2022 at 3:43 PM, iconions said: and the the poor slobs like me on the support desk that have to bear the slings and arrows from customers because of the "undocumented design features" introduced by coders. And what is a "poor slob", non-coder doing on the support desk in the first place, Tom? I should think a "poor slob" coder would have been of more value in such a position. "undocumented design features", BTW, should be marketed as what they really are - FREE GIFTS! Keith Edited April 11, 2022 by ScroogieII Quote Link to comment
+FamilieFrohne Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/7/2022 at 12:43 AM, iconions said: of the "undocumented design features" Easter is coming ... ... but in the software we maintain we can't hide easter eggs - code reviews are done by at least two other developers, the changes are tested (automatically and manually by a test team), then the changes are documented for the help desk and changes are discussed with our QA before going in production. So when we get an incident message from the help desk the problem is in most cases severe and unexpected. On 4/7/2022 at 12:47 AM, iconions said: I did, however list all of the waymarks associated with the site - whether or not the waymark was mine. This is a good advice. But do you maintain the list, when there are new waymarks added to the area? Or wouldn't it be better to add some links to a seach on Waymarking around the place like this: https://www.Waymarking.com/wm/search.aspx?f=1&wo=True&st=2&lat=50.83242&lon=6.90722 so that the user could see the list for himself? Or a combination of both? 1 Quote Link to comment
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