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On the NGS benchmark recovery form, there's an option to post a note as GEOCAC (Geocaching). The Benchmarking FAQ also says that we can write recovery notes as GEOCAC.

 

Has anyone here actually done this? 

 

(sorry if this is a duplicate, I thought I had asked this a few months ago but can't find the post anywhere here on the forum)

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Many of us have used that designation for recovery reports for a long time.  You can see it on many data sheets.

 

When submitting to NGS keep it very businesslike-just the facts a surveyor would want to use to find it or to understand how carefully you looked before reporting NF. 

 

The old style was to be concise, but the current occupant of the "Deb Brown" chair will edit your report to complete sentences, spell out abbreviations, and insert metric conversions.  So make sure your report can't be misinterpreted by someone who doesn't have field experience.  If you use the form do your own metric conversions.

 

DSWORLD is a better way to go than the web form because it has a Fornat button that does much of that editing, and you can check the results before submitting.  I often re-edit its metric conversions to more appropriate significant figures, as I don't want my estimate of about 100 ft given to sub-meter precision.  You can also put your handheld GPS coordinates into it directly (xx.x on seconds) instead of just in the text.

 

When I started doing GPSonBM submissions GEOCAC wasn't an option (they don't expect geocachers to have precision GPS) so I started using Independent and Individual, which are the closest match on the two lists.

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OK, nice to know. I have never seen a GEOCAC entry on a data sheet but then again I usually just go by the info on the cache page and only look at data sheets for the detailed info on reference marks for triangulation stations and such. I will start watching for those. My habit for a long while is to just put better coords in my geo log entry (if appropriate) and provide good photos of the disk and of the setting. I suppose it would be appropriate to submit an entry if the benchmark hasn't had an official update in some time and has never been geo logged. Would that be appropriate?

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Well, I don't understand the new NGS pages,  Too techie for me.  But, if you check LY0424, you'll see that I logged it as GEOAC with my initials.  Not logged in 83 years.

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All, 

 

Bill93 hit the main point for a Bench Marker recovery  (technical NGS term - much more precise that a GEOCACHE 'found'):

 

"When submitting to NGS keep it very businesslike-just the facts a surveyor would want to use to find it or to understand how carefully you looked before reporting NF. "

 

I think that a 'recovery' should use the same DDDMMSS.s protocol as the DATASHEET.   And it only takes a couple of clicks to copy/paste a PID into the

National Geodetic Survey Data Explorer

search box to see the current status.

 

kayakbird  -  MEL

 

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On 10/10/2018 at 11:25 PM, The Snowdog said:

On the NGS benchmark recovery form, there's an option to post a note as GEOCAC (Geocaching). The Benchmarking FAQ also says that we can write recovery notes as GEOCAC.

 

Has anyone here actually done this? 

 

(sorry if this is a duplicate, I thought I had asked this a few months ago but can't find the post anywhere here on the forum)

Hi.  I found my first benchmark today and wanted to submit a recovery form, but the form (new?) doesn’t give me an option to post a note as GEOCAC.  Could someone please let me know what is currently used for the “Your Agency Type and Recovery Agency” selections?   Thank you for your help.

 

take care,

 

  outdoorsoccer

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Well as you can see from this thread (idle for a couple of years) I never got an answer, so I don't post "recovery" forms, just make geocaching log entries and try to post good photos of the mark.

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1 hour ago, The Snowdog said:

Well as you can see from this thread (idle for a couple of years) I never got an answer, so I don't post "recovery" forms, just make geocaching log entries and try to post good photos of the mark.

I have only seen the GEOCAC listed on the NGS datasheets.  But the current recovery form doesn’t show any Heading like that in the drop down menus.  

sounds good.  Thank you for the response.  

 

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Geocaching has the options Found, Not Found , Note, and Destroyed. The focus there is on your activity, with the option to also alert others to the likelyhood it is destroyed or to note something of interest.

 

NGS has options that focus on the bench mark, not your experience looking for it. Thus the options are Good, Poor, and Not Found. Also Destroyed is an option available by sending conclusive evidence to NGS; they don't want to risk people marking Destroyed just because they couldn't find it. There is really no need for a Note option for their purposes.

 

It appears NGS has greatly expanded the list of agency codes.  GEOCAC appears under Miscellaneous.

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9 hours ago, Bill93 said:

 

It appears NGS has greatly expanded the list of agency codes.  GEOCAC appears under Miscellaneous.

  I would have never guessed it would be under the miscellaneous commercial and private firm Category.   Thank you Bill93 for letting me know where it is. 

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Hi all,

 

  I tried to post a recovery form using google chrome and the NGS recovery form (lite version).  I followed the naming convention on the website for my photos.

 

  When I go to submit my form, I am getting an error that says: www.ngs.noaa.gov says:  Alias contains bad character(s).   
 

   Could someone please let me know what that means?  Thank you in advance for your help

 

    Take care,

 

    ODS

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