+JohnnyVegas Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 I just tried to renew my premium member ship I appears there is not longer an option for a non auto renewable yearly membership. As I never ever sign up for auto renew on anything (it is a scam) is there an option to not auto renew on a one year membership 1 Quote
+on4bam Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 Go to the settings page on your profile and "edit membership". Quote
+JohnnyVegas Posted January 28, 2018 Author Posted January 28, 2018 Tried that. The only yearly option is auto renew Quote
+pingurus Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 You could buy Geocaching gift cards and gift them to yourself. (That's the way we do it) Quote
+niraD Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, on4bam said: Go to the settings page on your profile and "edit membership". 19 hours ago, JohnnyVegas said: Tried that. The only yearly option is auto renew After you renew your membership and get set up for auto renew, go to your settings page and edit membership. There, you should be able to switch off the auto renew. I've done this myself the last couple times I've renewed. Edited January 29, 2018 by niraD Quote
+colleda Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 On 28/01/2018 at 7:06 PM, JohnnyVegas said: I just tried to renew my premium member ship I appears there is not longer an option for a non auto renewable yearly membership. As I never ever sign up for auto renew on anything (it is a scam) is there an option to not auto renew on a one year membership Why would it be a scam? If you renew every year then why not make it auto? To me, and presumably others, it's a convenience. Quote
+niraD Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 56 minutes ago, colleda said: If you renew every year then why not make it auto? To me, and presumably others, it's a convenience. If there were an option to automatically renew or not, then I would probably choose to automatically renew. Because there is no option, I make a point of changing my account settings to disable automatic renewal as soon as I have (manually) renewed. It's the principle of the thing. Automatic renewals should be optional. I also don't subscribe to the free intro subscriptions that automatically convert to paid subscriptions at the end of the intro period. 1 Quote
+ruylopez Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 Create a sock-puppet account. "Gift" yourself a 1 year membership from that account. Quote
+CAVinoGal Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 4 hours ago, ruylopez said: Create a sock-puppet account. "Gift" yourself a 1 year membership from that account. Aren't "sock puppet" accounts frowned upon? And it seems to be just as much, or more work, than simply changing the option once you've renewed. Quote
+on4bam Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, CAVinoGal said: Aren't "sock puppet" accounts frowned upon? Not as much as setting autorenew automatically Chances are that after someone quits geocaching at least one more payment is taken, so autorenew should be an option and not set by default. Quote
+hzoi Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) On 1/30/2018 at 0:17 AM, CAVinoGal said: On 1/29/2018 at 8:20 PM, ruylopez said: Create a sock-puppet account. "Gift" yourself a 1 year membership from that account. Aren't "sock puppet" accounts frowned upon? Sock puppet accounts that are abused in some way, such as to mislead people on the forums as to who is actually posting something, yes. (For a classic example of this, please see, "Why does my post say ringbone?") From the forum guidelines: Quote 5. Sock puppet accounts are not permitted in the Geocaching Forums. A sock puppet account is created and used by a person who already has a primary account, for the purpose of posting anonymously. Posts from known sock puppet accounts may be deleted, and both the sock puppet and primary accounts may be suspended from the Geocaching Forums and Geocaching.com. Please use your real, primary account for posting in the Geocaching Forums. I do not believe that having multiple accounts by itself is a violation of the terms of use, but if I am incorrect, I welcome someone else to chime in. Edited January 31, 2018 by hzoi Quote
+J Grouchy Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/29/2018 at 8:20 PM, ruylopez said: Create a sock-puppet account. "Gift" yourself a 1 year membership from that account. You don't even need to. I just "gift" myself a yearly membership from my wife. It is a sleazy practice to have auto-renew the only option. It relies on people forgetting to cancel. They say it's for the sake of "convenience"...but it's only THEIR convenience they are concerned about. I will never renew through my account for this reason...even if they have a button to click to turn off auto-renew, it's the principle. Quote
+Windstorm+ Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, J Grouchy said: It is a sleazy practice to have auto-renew the only option. It relies on people forgetting to cancel. They say it's for the sake of "convenience"...but it's only THEIR convenience they are concerned about. I will never renew through my account for this reason...even if they have a button to click to turn off auto-renew, it's the principle. I agree, it's sleazy, but other options would be less convenient for me, so I still use auto-renew and promptly cancel it. On the plus side, the last time I did it, I got to fill out their little survey about why I'm canceling my Premium membership. I found it amusing to tell them that I'm "quitting" because of auto-renew. Quote
PS LOVE THE CAT Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 3 hours ago, hzoi said: I do not believe that having multiple accounts by itself is a violation of the terms of use, but if I am incorrect, I welcome someone else to chime in. Nah, I think that's accurate. 1 Quote
Captain Clorox Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, PS LOVE THE CAT said: Nah, I think that's accurate. Y'all watch your step there, boy. I am forever vigilant. 2 Quote
+noncentric Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) First, I get it that people don't like auto-renew. I'm not debating that. For my Premium Membership, I cancel auto-renew after renewing. What I'm wondering though, is what cachers that think geocaching.com's use of auto-renew is a 'scam' or 'sleazy' think about other memberships that are also auto-renew only: Amazon Prime, Netflix, Hulu, Pandora, etc. Auto-renew-only has become a common payment method with online memberships and geocaching.com makes it pretty easy to cancel it. I guess I just don't understand why there's so much outrage about it. Maybe just because it's a "change" from how it used to be, and any changes on the site seem to be seen as negative? Edited February 1, 2018 by noncentric 1 Quote
+niraD Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, noncentric said: other memberships that are also auto-renew only I don't use any of the services you list. I do have some bills configured to be paid automatically, but that's my choice. I could also pay those bills myself each month if I preferred. 1 Quote
+noncentric Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, niraD said: 2 hours ago, noncentric said: other memberships that are also auto-renew only I don't use any of the services you list. I do have some bills configured to be paid automatically, but that's my choice. I could also pay those bills myself each month if I preferred. Yeah, I only use of the services I listed, but I know the others are auto-renew only and I know there are other subscription services that are also auto-renew only. And yes, it's certainly different than auto-bill-pay. Do you not use those listed services because you just don't care to have them, or because you're against the process of auto-renew? That seems to be the thing that confuses me the most about the tone of this thread. It's one thing to not subscribe to a service because someone just doesn't care to have that service, but if it's a service someone wants and uses, then 'quitting' that desired service because it's auto-renew seems odd to me. Quote
+on4bam Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 The difference is (as far as I know the services listed) that they are monthly services that are used on a daily basis. For many geocaching is a sporadic activity sometimes even for one family member which makes it a lot easier to forget about. Most of the services I pay for have an option for manual or automatic payments but GS just decides for it's customers.When subscribing to a service (like Netflix), you have to agree to the automatic payment Given the questions on this forum (where only a small fraction of cachers come anyway) it's not even clear how to stop auto-renew. Auto-renew should be a choice and not automatically set. Quote
+NYPaddleCacher Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, hzoi said: From the forum guidelines: Quote 5. Sock puppet accounts are not permitted in the Geocaching Forums. A sock puppet account is created and used by a person who already has a primary account, for the purpose of posting anonymously. Posts from known sock puppet accounts may be deleted, and both the sock puppet and primary accounts may be suspended from the Geocaching Forums and Geocaching.com. Please use your real, primary account for posting in the Geocaching Forums. I do not believe that having multiple accounts by itself is a violation of the terms of use, but if I am incorrect, I welcome someone else to chime in. Outside the context of geocaching, a sock puppet is more than just creating a second account to post anonymously. It's when that account is abused (acting as a shill, making inflammatory posts) that is becomes a sock puppet. There are more than a few forum users that use a separate account from their primary player account but never use it for nefarious purposes. Some users with PM accounts will created a basic membership account so that they can comment on issues that basic members are seeing. I've had a PM since 2007 and if someone describes an issue they're having as a basic membership it's difficult to help without being able to log in as a basic member (no, I don't have a separate basic membership account). Most reviewers have a primary player account and a separate account used for reviewer duties and forum posting. Some will use both accounts when posting to the forums. Edited February 1, 2018 by NYPaddleCacher Quote
+niraD Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 6 hours ago, noncentric said: Do you not use those listed services because you just don't care to have them, or because you're against the process of auto-renew? Mostly, I just don't care to have the services you listed. But mandatory auto-renew doesn't encourage me to use them. Quote
+_dxd_ Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) Soo, why, if I renewed my membership last year on Feb 17, does it expire today Feb 3 ? Why am I losing 2 weeks ? PayPal payment history for the last 4 years was Feb 16, 12, 16, and 17. And on my membership edit page, under Renewal Status, it just has a link to their Cancellation & Refund Policy. I guess I'll see what it says tomorrow... Edited February 4, 2018 by dixiedawn Quote
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