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First Event stacking rules, then Event blocking rules, what'll be next?

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For reasons I have never completely understood Groundspeak has tried for some time to restrict organising Event Caches in a given region. Since then various kinds of rules regulating so-called event stacking have emerged. In the Nordic countries, for instance, any event should be either 5 hours or 30 kilometers apart from another event. Thus, if an event is organised in the Helsinki city centre from 4 p.m. to 4.30 p.m. it blocks all the greater metropolitan area from any other event from 10.30 a.m. to 9.30 p.m. during the same day.


This has created a new problem known as event blocking, and new rules seem to be needed however hypothetical the problem may be. (New rules in stead of modifying the event stacking rules which cause the blocking problem...) As far as I'm concerned, these new rules have not been published properly. I have, however, learned that according to them a single geocacher cannot hold a series of events, such as one imitating Christmas calendar. Why? Because it is thought that such an effort by a single geocacher would effectively block all other cachers willing to organise events in the same area (within the 30 km radius in the Nordic countries).

Unfortunately in Finland one such series was partly published before all of the reviewers were properly aware of the new rules. As a reasonable conclusion this geocacher archived the published events since the idea of Christmas calender was gone. For the Porvoo region the result has been that there will be only one event during December. Evidently there was no one to be blocked! (Porvoo region is famous for the succesful Mega-Event in 2017 as well as for a splendid GeoTour. Previously it has also been known for a very active event life.)


According to the new rules any single geocacher/geocaching team shouldn't be allowed to organise more than one event per week, at least when an 'event series' is concerned. Whether two or three events in a week by one geocaching nick will be treated as a series remains totally unclear.

For sure, it is not necessarily a totally wrong idea to encourage geocachers to work together when creating a series of events. In some areas, it may, though, be difficult to find six other geocaching nicks willing to cooperate in such a forced manner.

So. Rules forbidding event stacking have created problems of (unintentional!) event blocking. And rules forbidding event blocking create again new problems and surely a lot of events won't be organised because of these new rules. And more potential event organisers will be frustrated even further.

Is the result more or less fun and social activities for geocachers? In deed, the underlying objective seems to be less fun and less social gatherings for geocachers. This is really really difficult to understand.

I suggest that Groundspeak could, in contrast, publish more relaxed recommendations or rules for event stacking. The new more relaxed rules would, for example, make it easier to organise two separate events during one day in one city. That would solve most of the assumed event blocking problems. Then we could ask are any new rules concerning event series or event blocking really at all necessary?

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To have so many Events submitted where this is actually an issue must be nice. Sounds like a very active community. 

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5 hours ago, Tilhet said:

According to the new rules any single geocacher/geocaching team shouldn't be allowed to organise more than one event per week, at least when an 'event series' is concerned. Whether two or three events in a week by one geocaching nick will be treated as a series remains totally unclear.

We've had a bit of a tradition:

Last CITO of [yyyy] on December 31

First CITO of [yyyy] on January 1

Would events like this be allowed under the current guidelines if organized by the same person? If organized by different people?

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15 hours ago, niraD said:

We've had a bit of a tradition:

Last CITO of [yyyy] on December 31

First CITO of [yyyy] on January 1

Would events like this be allowed under the current guidelines if organized by the same person? If organized by different people?

I think you should ask it from your local reviewer. In an answer from the Groundspeak HQ they told that "it is not possible for one CO to have a sequence of events that happen at a pace of one event per day over so many days" and further referred to the published guidelines which state that "Submit events as one single event if your event has one of the following - - A sequence of events".

A Finnish reviewer has summarised the new rules like this (my translation): "Events of an event series should each be organised in a different location and in an event series a single geocaching nick should submit max. one event per week."

Whether two events constitute 'a sequence' or 'a series' or not, I honestly haven't got a clue. I hope someone who does have a clue and sufficient authority will inform us soon. However, the "over so many days" part in the GS response suggests that two or three events / CITO events shouldn't be a problem.

The main problem is, of course, that a major part of all event organising rules and guidelines have not been made public and many of them are local interpretations of the rather vaguely put official guidelines.

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On 12/8/2017 at 10:38 AM, Tilhet said:

The main problem is, of course, that a major part of all event organising rules and guidelines have not been made public and many of them are local interpretations of the rather vaguely put official guidelines.

So true. But as I see it, the event stacking rules and event blocking rules are solutions for a problem that is not clear or doesn't exist to begin with. I personally have had a lot of issues with local reviewers as a result of the unclear and unpublished rules. The current rules set is very unclear and creates more problems than it solves. So my strong recommendation to Groundspeak is really to get rid of these event stacking and blocking rules. Before we had these new rules, getting events published worked just fine . . .

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